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No, Islam Isn’t Inherently Violent, And The Math Proves It!

Very similar thread to something we had a few weeks back.
And these will keep on popping coz it is an inevitable topic

i am not confused..what i meant was Islam may be not violent in text but the actions of its followers define how the religion is seen by most non-muslims..So mathematical or statistical analysis aside(& this article's validity aside), Islam is seen as intolerant and in serious need of renaissance by many people even those who cannot be considered as Islam-phobic..

So, when a mad doctor sells organs in the black market we blame medicine? Lovely theory! Keep to it and abolish all medical practitioners! :tup:

Individuals NEVER define a field!

Renaissance would be a useful cause if people were following Islam....VERY few actually bother going to the mosque yet the same are super quick to say bad words to you! THAT has nothing to do with Islam....

Those joining ISIS from a converted RAP star singing about drugs to prostitutes to a pub bouncers are taken as a measuring stick for Islam itself shows how biased you are in comparing!
 
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And these will keep on popping coz it is an inevitable topic

So, when a mad doctor sells organs in the black market we blame medicine? Lovely theory! Keep to it and abolish all medical practitioners! :tup:

How you would know whether a person is a doctor or not ? You would look at his/her doctorate certificate, is not it ? How you would know whether a person is a Muslim or not ? by looking at which certificates ? It does not make them Muslims because of they say they are or they shout as "Allahu Akbar". You would look at their behaviors' availability with Islam, so Quran. These animals have nothing with Islam.
 
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You say that the verse refers to a wide range of disbelievers, so why are you starting by the Koran will disagree with me. I do not want to make anyone feel bad or inferior in any way by telling him how deep I do understand Koran based on belief and mainly on science.
We are talking specifically about Ahl Mekkah who were polytheists to start with.They were so vehemently opposed to the idea of monotheism that they wanted to kill the prophet (PBUH) himself and his message, they have killed almost all his early Sahaba. Their Kufr was based on stubbornness in their belief as they said many times that they would not budge from what was told to them and their parents before them, it was based on pride based it self on ego, and on ignorance (of science), that is why Koran is the unique divine book containing the divine truth about the existence of GOD that can best be understood through science, who insists about instruction in science. Although the message is simple and clear to be grasped by average Joe, the insistence on following the path of science, meant that it had to be deeply understood, and for some good reasons...
As for Ahle-Mekkah of that time, they said clearly they would believe if Prophet declared an army was coming from behind a hill (behind which none could see but would blindly believe if Prophet said = that is how much they trusted him to be true) YET the same people REFUSED to believe in 1 god based on whatever reason.....

Same people would blindly believe in 1 thing just on the basis of the fact that Muhammad said it but REFUSED another thing that the same Muhammad said.....THAT comes under Kufar coz you know this man wont lie yet you CHOOSE TO REFUSE 1 thing.....

However, it was easier to call someone Kuffar back then coz Muhammad was alive and walking with his miracle the Quran. He was walking amongst them speaking their language which was soo good that some became Muslims on hearing just 1-2 verses of the Quran! While some rejected even after hearing about the surah about Abu Lahab who was well and alive when the surah was recited he could easily disprove Muhammad by quickly converting but ALLAH knew he wouldnt and hence his fate was announced and we read it till date that an alive man couldnt fix his fate which Muhammad told everyone about.....THAT is proof the Quran gave in front of people back then and rejecting that WAS INDEED a form of hiding and neglecting truth!

I am Arabic brother, and well versed in my language. My father used to teach it from primary school to university PhD.
It is the toughest language to learn with its Nahw, Sarf, shakl and I'rab grammatical rules, and yet one of the most beautiful, rich and complete languages out there.

Koran says: "oua inna arsalnaho lakom arabian" (And we have sent it to you in Arabic (an Arab))

Bro You may be Arabic but even back then and till date, people listen to a learned person from any background based on the Prophet's last sermon NO ARAB IS GREATER THAN ANYONE and vice versa except in terms of Aamal....Hence, I seriously find it offensive when people tell me they are Arabic speaker and know it all!

Kafir is not simply a non muslim....Kafir is one that COVERS up the truth!

Classical arabic language that is what a kafir is.....If some one doesnt know the truth then how can they cover it up?!Being simple not muslim does not make one a kafir...What would make one a kaffir is they learn about Islam recognize it is the truth and in insolence turn away from Islam


A good example of a kafir from the Quran would be pharoh...HE had seen all the signs manifest right before his eyes...He knew Allah was the only God and he covered the truth up because of his arrogance...This is why when he was drowning he said he believed in the God of Moses...So all the time he had been covering up the truth

Read this and understand the word:

A kaffir is somone who disbelives even when they know the truth.


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Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to be parted [from misbelief] until there came to them clear evidence -

The aya above says that somone will not be a kaffir unless clear truth is provided, once somone knows the truth and decides to disbelive, they are a kaffir.

How you would know whether a person is a doctor or not ? You would look at his/her doctorate certificate, is not it ? How you would know whether a person is a Muslim or not ? by looking at which certificates ? It does not make them Muslims because of they say they are or they shout as "Allahu Akbar". You would look at their behaviors' availability with Islam, so Quran. These animals have nothing with Islam.
You will know they are not Muslims by their actions....something as simple as blind killing clearly distiguishes them,
Something like demanding women for sex distinguishes them

Prophet said repeatedly that He who does not wish the same on his brother as he wishes on himself is not one of us....

If you wouldnt want your daughter, wife or sister to be a prostitute you wouldnt ask for another's woman!

If you wouldnt want to be kidnapped and beheaded based on nothing you did then you are def not one of us!

But no one brings this up!

These alone are failed certificates of those screaming ALLAH HU AKHBAR!

If they knew Islam, they wouldnt attack, hurt let alone behead one who is neither at war with them NOR posing a threat on them... And those who got beheaded were begging for mercy...so that alone is not a Islamic step infact it is disgusting!

The most important right of a Muslim upon a non-Muslim is to show him the path of salvation for which the Qur’an was revealed. It ordains them: “Call men to the path of your Lord with wisdom and mild exhortation. Reason with them in the most courteous manner.” (16:125)

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. (2:256)

Now beheading fails to serve that purpose then forcing it rejects another verse of the Quran....

Those who repeatedly break verses from the Quran are far from Islam and THAT is your certificate to distinguish!

HOW PEOPLE CAN IGNORE AND DEFY ALL THESE SIGNS and not distinguish an idiot from a Muslim I have no idea!
 
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A good example of a kafir from the Quran would be pharoh...HE had seen all the signs manifest right before his eyes...He knew Allah was the only God and he covered the truth up because of his arrogance...This is why when he was drowning he said he believed in the God of Moses...So all the time he had been covering up the truth

Read this and understand the word:

A kaffir is somone who disbelives even when they know the truth.
not to sound cynical or prejudiced, i as a person of science when see the world i see mysteries waiting to be solved , they may be wonders , but that can be explained . i believe in science . prove that god exists . in previous centuries man were fearing many things that are now explainable through science. so no offence to anyone , so its not that i am not accepting anything that a holy book says out of hubris , its my analytical minds tells me not to. @Koovie whats ur views.
 
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i believe in science . prove that god exists .

Maybe this is why its called as "belief". So you cant prove it as to detect with 5 sense organs. You can ony understand by using the logic, something that makes sense to someone may not makes sense to another one. Non-believers usually choose to reconcile its mathematical reality with the chain of coincidences.
 
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not to sound cynical or prejudiced, i as a person of science when see the world i see mysteries waiting to be solved , they may be wonders , but that can be explained . i believe in science . prove that god exists . in previous centuries man were fearing many things that are now explainable through science. so no offence to anyone , so its not that i am not accepting anything that a holy book out of hubris , its my analytical minds tells me not to. @Koovie whats ur views.
None taken....You believe what you want....Most people want to be associated with religion is based on a few aspects:

1)sense of fulfillment / belonging
2) Moral values - Back then rich could do anything against morals (even now) and get away with it...but back then life was simpler people just needed to be told what to do ....Not to steal as it is wrong, not to lie as it is wrong, not to hurt others and so on....

These were the reasons once upon a time

Modern day people want to be associated with religion based on the following:

3) they truly understand its spiritual meaning
4) Peace of mind
5) Makes sense to them : (I will speak only of the Quran as I only know it more than other religious books) that if 1400 yrs ago so much was in the Quran when Science was not at all developed that to said by a man who didnt go to school couldnt write and lived in a desert....So far whatever was found in the Quran hasnt gone against science so the remaining has just not been disproved....so theory of probability tells us most likely it would be in par with science....

Next we have the lazy asses who are with a religion because they inherited it (born Muslims/ Christians/ Hindus/ Buddhist and so on)

There are many people who fall in different categories for all religions....
 
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4) Peace of mind
even an atheist can have peace of mind by seving his/her community, country , civilization , humanity. take me for an example, i am a physician, i prescribe medicine to poor ppl free of charge, i do not take bribe, never abused my authority , never teased a woman , never crossed the boundary of law. that way i have my peace of mind. so each to his own.
 
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cynical or prejudiced
Not cynical or prejudice but just a little realistic maybe.

My dad told me to go read Islam myself. I was not forced to cover my head nor was I ever told I was less than a man...I was told of the basics of belief, told to be a good human, told to ignore if someone is being a pain told to stand up against injustice and told to try to be good and adhere to some stuff which I found good...

I went and read some of the bible, I agree I may not have understood too much of it. I tried reading the Torah but even that was tough, I read some Hindu scriptures and well mostly watched the Ramayan film but wouldnt understand the Hindi in them! In all these scriptures it was TOUGH for me to grasp as they always referred to different people, names and places alike which were not very familiar and there were too many to keep track of and these people and places made more of the verses than moral issues....The scriptures were more interested in telling stories of these people than giving commands or telling what should be done about what these stories did...It was like hanging episodes in dramas and probably why it never appealed me.

Maybe that is why I accepted ISLAM as my way of life and I cover my head like a nun would do hers, avoid the bad and do good (as much as possible of course)!

Everyone has a different take in life...

even an atheist can have peace of mind by seving his/her community, country , civilization , humanity. take me for an example, i am a physician, i prescribe medicine to poor ppl free of charge, i do not take bribe, never abused my authority , never teased a woman , never crossed the boundary of law. that way i have my peace of mind. so each to his own.
Yes that is true....
I never put atheist in any categories I was describing why people followed religion back then and now...

You need to know not every human being thinks the same. Some serial killers actually think that he is doing good saving souls from harm...

A doctor who steals organs and sells them in the black market only wants to satisfy his selfish demands of materialistic things or that of his wife and kids

A businessman who cheats in business has the same greed.....Greed exists in every face and colour and field! Many take religion to be humble with the realization that there is one greater than them who knows all and who will punish em for doing wrong like the way you base yourself on the boundary of the law....

And yes to each his own!
 
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even an atheist can have peace of mind by seving his/her community, country , civilization , humanity. take me for an example, i am a physician, i prescribe medicine to poor ppl free of charge, i do not take bribe, never abused my authority , never teased a woman , never crossed the boundary of law. that way i have my peace of mind. so each to his own.

I'm agree with that. Ethics are something innate in human nature. So you dont need religions to be an ethic person. But here, which you cant explain with science is how come we acquire these ethics congenitally ?
 
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1400 yrs ago so much was in the Quran when Science was not at all developed that to said by a man who didnt go to school couldnt write and lived in a desert
Eureka! When a Blow to the Head Creates a Sudden Genius


BRIAN FUNGMAY 17 2012, 8:00 AM ET
Brain injuries can sometimes reveal extraordinary talents in people. Now, savant syndrome is helping to create whole new fields of scientific discovery.

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Wikimedia Commons
For a long time, it was a mystery as to how horses galloped. Did all four hooves at some point leave the ground? Or was one hoof always planted? It wasn't until the 1880s when a British photographer named Eadweard Muybridge settled the debate with a series of photographs of a horse in midstride. Muybridge took a great interest in capturing the minute details of bodies in motion. The images made him famous.

Muybridge could be obsessive -- and eccentric, too. His erratic behavior was blamed on a head injury he'd sustained in a serious stagecoach accident that killed one passenger and wounded all the rest. Now, researchers believe that the crash, which gave Muybridge a permanent brain injury, may actually have been partially responsible for endowing him with his artistic brilliance.

Muybridge may have been what psychiatrists call an acquired savant, somebody with extraordinary talent but who wasn't born with it and who didn't learn the skills from someplace else later. In fact, Muybridge's savant abilities had evidently been buried deep in the recesses of his mind the whole time, and the stagecoach incident had simply unlocked them.

It sounds crazy. But Muybridge is actually one of a number of people who've miraculously developed artistic, musical, or mathematical abilities as a result of a brain injury. There's Orlando Serrell, who was struck in the head with a baseball as a 10-year-old and found he could remember the weather for each day following his accident. There's Derek Amato, who woke up after hitting his head at the bottom of a pool and became a master pianist at 40, despite lacking any sort of musical training. There's Alonzo Clemens, whose verbal and cognitive abilities stopped developing at the age of three due to a head injury but who can assemble incredibly detailed sculptures of animals in a matter of minutes.





Wisconsin psychiatrist Darold Treffert keeps a registry of known savants as part of his research on the subject. Savants are extremely rare to begin with, he said in a phone interview. Acquired savants are rarer still. Of the 330 savants from around the world on Treffert's list, 300 were born that way. Only 30 acquired their abilities.

It wasn't until recently that scientists began figuring out what actually causes savant syndrome. In 2003, Bruce Miller, a professor of neurology at the University of California-San Francisco, discovered that some patients with a degenerative brain disease gained incredible artistic abilities as their condition worsened. The disease is called frontotemporal dementia (FTD), and it primarily affects the front-left portions of the brain.

FTD's limited pattern of degeneration is a crucial detail; patients who suffer from Alzheimer's, for example -- a disease that affects the entire brain -- don't generally show savant-like abilities. Why might savant syndrome be linked to a very specific kind of brain damage? One theory has it that since FTD leaves the rest of the brain alone, the unaffected regions step in to compensate for the loss of tissue, leading to what Treffert calls "the three Rs": recruitment, rewiring, and release.

"What happens is that there is injury," said Treffert. "There is then recruitment of still-intact cortical tissue. There is rewiring [of brain signals] through that intact tissue, and then there is the release of dormant potential within that brain area." In other words, savants may be unlocking parts of the brain the rest of us simply don't have access to.

Or do we?

It strains belief, but completely ordinary people are in fact capable of gaining savant-like skills for short periods of time. Thanks to a piece of equipment called the Medtronic Mag Pro, one researcher has managed to temporarily replicatethe kind of brain "damage" seen among FTD patients in healthy humans:

A series of electromagnetic pulses were being directed into my frontal lobes, but I felt nothing. Snyder instructed me to draw something. ''What would you like to draw?'' he said merrily. ''A cat? You like drawing cats? Cats it is.''

[...]

Two minutes after I started the first drawing, I was instructed to try again. After another two minutes, I tried a third cat, and then in due course a fourth. Then the experiment was over, and the electrodes were removed. I looked down at my work. The first felines were boxy and stiffly unconvincing. But after I had been subjected to about 10 minutes of transcranial magnetic stimulation, their tails had grown more vibrant, more nervous; their faces were personable and convincing. They were even beginning to wear clever expressions.

In fairness, a few drawings don't prove very much. But Allan Snyder -- whom, Treffert confirms, has worked with Bruce Miller, the FTD scholar, before -- is developing new, more objective ways of recording the changes the Medtronic causes in his subjects.

"He calls it the 'thinking cap,' " Treffert joked.

The prospect of willfully inducing creativity conjures images of an augmented future, one where people carry around portable brain machines and give themselves a zap when circumstances demand an extra burst of intelligence. Maybe some people will choose to be permanently buzzed, at the cost of some verbal ability.

It sounds like science fiction. But the reality may be even more outlandish. Now that scientists understand how savant syndrome occurs, new research is turning to the underlying origins of the special abilities themselves. Most of it remains a mystery -- a loose collection of questions more than anything resembling answers. For example, how is it that somebody like Derek Amato, who'd never demonstrated any musical talent before hitting his head at the bottom of a pool, could suddenly handle jazz and classical pieces of astounding complexity without training? How is it that someone can suffer a stroke and wake up later only to discover that their English is tinged with a foreign accent?

Treffert thinks this could be the result of something called genetic memory.

"Some savants are very disabled," said Treffert, "yet they know the rules of math, they know the rules of music, they know the rules of art. But they've never been taught that. Well, how can that get there? The only way it can get there is genetically."

If Treffert's hypothesis is true, it potentially upends a lot of what we know about genetics -- not disproving it, necessarily, but vastly expanding the boundaries of what we think our DNA to be capable of. Could genes be more than a way to pass on physical traits? Could they, in fact, also be used to transmit knowledge from one generation to another? If so, what kind?

Scientists aren't the only ones to be fascinated by this idea. In the blockbuster video game Assassin's Creed, players delve into the main character's genetic memory archives and re-experience events from his ancestors' lifetimes. The franchise takes gamers through vivid "memories" of medieval Jerusalem, Renaissance-era Italy, and Ottoman-ruled Constantinople. No doubt the revelations held within our own DNA are much less exotic, but that's not stopping epigeneticists from plowing ahead. A major breakthrough in genetic memory may be no more than a decade away, Treffert estimates.

As neuroscientists increasingly discover how little they really know about the brain, what we do know is beginning to resemble the half-formed inklings about the equine gait that so boggled people up until 135 years ago. Connecting the dots might take a stroke of genius. But savant-inspired research is leading the way. Eadweard Muybridge would be proud.

how do you explain this. sometimes , brain rewire to insane level, may be that happened.

I'm agree with that. Ethics are something innate in human nature. So you dont need religions to be an ethic person. But here, which you cant explain with science is how come we acquire these ethics congenitally ?
actually what we doctors follow is Hippocratic oath , formulated by a person not religious one , so religion not require for ethics to develop. and no we are not born with ethics we acquire it from society which may be a hardcore religious or majorly atheist one like Denmark.
 
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not to sound cynical or prejudiced, i as a person of science when see the world i see mysteries waiting to be solved , they may be wonders , but that can be explained . i believe in science . prove that god exists . in previous centuries man were fearing many things that are now explainable through science. so no offence to anyone , so its not that i am not accepting anything that a holy book says out of hubris , its my analytical minds tells me not to. @Koovie whats ur views.

I believe in the scientific method... I am a "science" guy"
But I do believe in God... a force that planned everything. But thats something very personal. I do not talk about it in public, nor do I need any religious leaders talking trash and politicizing the whole matter... as countless examples from all religions from the past and the present day prove us.
 
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Eureka! When a Blow to the Head Creates a Sudden Genius


BRIAN FUNGMAY 17 2012, 8:00 AM ET
Brain injuries can sometimes reveal extraordinary talents in people. Now, savant syndrome is helping to create whole new fields of scientific discovery.

The_Horse_in_Motion-615.jpg

Wikimedia Commons
For a long time, it was a mystery as to how horses galloped. Did all four hooves at some point leave the ground? Or was one hoof always planted? It wasn't until the 1880s when a British photographer named Eadweard Muybridge settled the debate with a series of photographs of a horse in midstride. Muybridge took a great interest in capturing the minute details of bodies in motion. The images made him famous.

Muybridge could be obsessive -- and eccentric, too. His erratic behavior was blamed on a head injury he'd sustained in a serious stagecoach accident that killed one passenger and wounded all the rest. Now, researchers believe that the crash, which gave Muybridge a permanent brain injury, may actually have been partially responsible for endowing him with his artistic brilliance.

Muybridge may have been what psychiatrists call an acquired savant, somebody with extraordinary talent but who wasn't born with it and who didn't learn the skills from someplace else later. In fact, Muybridge's savant abilities had evidently been buried deep in the recesses of his mind the whole time, and the stagecoach incident had simply unlocked them.

It sounds crazy. But Muybridge is actually one of a number of people who've miraculously developed artistic, musical, or mathematical abilities as a result of a brain injury. There's Orlando Serrell, who was struck in the head with a baseball as a 10-year-old and found he could remember the weather for each day following his accident. There's Derek Amato, who woke up after hitting his head at the bottom of a pool and became a master pianist at 40, despite lacking any sort of musical training. There's Alonzo Clemens, whose verbal and cognitive abilities stopped developing at the age of three due to a head injury but who can assemble incredibly detailed sculptures of animals in a matter of minutes.





Wisconsin psychiatrist Darold Treffert keeps a registry of known savants as part of his research on the subject. Savants are extremely rare to begin with, he said in a phone interview. Acquired savants are rarer still. Of the 330 savants from around the world on Treffert's list, 300 were born that way. Only 30 acquired their abilities.

It wasn't until recently that scientists began figuring out what actually causes savant syndrome. In 2003, Bruce Miller, a professor of neurology at the University of California-San Francisco, discovered that some patients with a degenerative brain disease gained incredible artistic abilities as their condition worsened. The disease is called frontotemporal dementia (FTD), and it primarily affects the front-left portions of the brain.

FTD's limited pattern of degeneration is a crucial detail; patients who suffer from Alzheimer's, for example -- a disease that affects the entire brain -- don't generally show savant-like abilities. Why might savant syndrome be linked to a very specific kind of brain damage? One theory has it that since FTD leaves the rest of the brain alone, the unaffected regions step in to compensate for the loss of tissue, leading to what Treffert calls "the three Rs": recruitment, rewiring, and release.

"What happens is that there is injury," said Treffert. "There is then recruitment of still-intact cortical tissue. There is rewiring [of brain signals] through that intact tissue, and then there is the release of dormant potential within that brain area." In other words, savants may be unlocking parts of the brain the rest of us simply don't have access to.

Or do we?

It strains belief, but completely ordinary people are in fact capable of gaining savant-like skills for short periods of time. Thanks to a piece of equipment called the Medtronic Mag Pro, one researcher has managed to temporarily replicatethe kind of brain "damage" seen among FTD patients in healthy humans:

A series of electromagnetic pulses were being directed into my frontal lobes, but I felt nothing. Snyder instructed me to draw something. ''What would you like to draw?'' he said merrily. ''A cat? You like drawing cats? Cats it is.''

[...]

Two minutes after I started the first drawing, I was instructed to try again. After another two minutes, I tried a third cat, and then in due course a fourth. Then the experiment was over, and the electrodes were removed. I looked down at my work. The first felines were boxy and stiffly unconvincing. But after I had been subjected to about 10 minutes of transcranial magnetic stimulation, their tails had grown more vibrant, more nervous; their faces were personable and convincing. They were even beginning to wear clever expressions.

In fairness, a few drawings don't prove very much. But Allan Snyder -- whom, Treffert confirms, has worked with Bruce Miller, the FTD scholar, before -- is developing new, more objective ways of recording the changes the Medtronic causes in his subjects.

"He calls it the 'thinking cap,' " Treffert joked.

The prospect of willfully inducing creativity conjures images of an augmented future, one where people carry around portable brain machines and give themselves a zap when circumstances demand an extra burst of intelligence. Maybe some people will choose to be permanently buzzed, at the cost of some verbal ability.

It sounds like science fiction. But the reality may be even more outlandish. Now that scientists understand how savant syndrome occurs, new research is turning to the underlying origins of the special abilities themselves. Most of it remains a mystery -- a loose collection of questions more than anything resembling answers. For example, how is it that somebody like Derek Amato, who'd never demonstrated any musical talent before hitting his head at the bottom of a pool, could suddenly handle jazz and classical pieces of astounding complexity without training? How is it that someone can suffer a stroke and wake up later only to discover that their English is tinged with a foreign accent?

Treffert thinks this could be the result of something called genetic memory.

"Some savants are very disabled," said Treffert, "yet they know the rules of math, they know the rules of music, they know the rules of art. But they've never been taught that. Well, how can that get there? The only way it can get there is genetically."

If Treffert's hypothesis is true, it potentially upends a lot of what we know about genetics -- not disproving it, necessarily, but vastly expanding the boundaries of what we think our DNA to be capable of. Could genes be more than a way to pass on physical traits? Could they, in fact, also be used to transmit knowledge from one generation to another? If so, what kind?

Scientists aren't the only ones to be fascinated by this idea. In the blockbuster video game Assassin's Creed, players delve into the main character's genetic memory archives and re-experience events from his ancestors' lifetimes. The franchise takes gamers through vivid "memories" of medieval Jerusalem, Renaissance-era Italy, and Ottoman-ruled Constantinople. No doubt the revelations held within our own DNA are much less exotic, but that's not stopping epigeneticists from plowing ahead. A major breakthrough in genetic memory may be no more than a decade away, Treffert estimates.

As neuroscientists increasingly discover how little they really know about the brain, what we do know is beginning to resemble the half-formed inklings about the equine gait that so boggled people up until 135 years ago. Connecting the dots might take a stroke of genius. But savant-inspired research is leading the way. Eadweard Muybridge would be proud.

how do you explain this. sometimes , brain rewire to insane level, may be that happened.


actually what we doctors follow is Hippocratic oath , formulated by a person not religious one , so religion not require for ethics to develop. and no we are not born with ethics we acquire it from society which may be a hardcore religious or majorly atheist one like Denmark.
Yes watching a horse with your camera and proof up in your hands in the form of photos can probably explain insanity ...How do you watch a baby in the womb 1400 yrs ago in a desert?- Please do tell me who could say that the featus was the likes of a leach 1400 yrs ago?

How do you tell things were made of water 1400 yrs ago in a desert which only has oasis for water supply?

How do you talk about mountains, rivers, seas and oceans, hydrological cycle (observing clouds but what about underground water)?

So how many "savants" had access to I dont know ultrasound and could become an Obstetrician without using any form of scans and oh yes was uneducated and couldnt read nor write? Oh wait lets add him being born 1400 yrs ago!

actually what we doctors follow is Hippocratic oath , formulated by a person not religious one , so religion not require for ethics to develop. and no we are not born with ethics we acquire it from society which may be a hardcore religious or majorly atheist one like Denmark.
So you rather believe a sum of things FORMULATED by a human being as long as he is not linked with religion by some means?
 
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actually what we doctors follow is Hippocratic oath , formulated by a person not religious one , so religion not require for ethics to develop. and no we are not born with ethics we acquire it from society which may be a hardcore religious or majorly atheist one like Denmark.

The researches on babies proves that ethics are innate and common. If you defend its not, then you contradict with your pre post here. You said that you are not religious and you still had ethics because you have never take bribe, you never abused your authority or never teased a woman. So if you were born and raised in a society that people abuses their authority or they tease woman or they take bribes from the customers, then how we would decide about the ethic one ? Which one would be ethic ? taking bribes or not ? ethic or not according to whom ? which society ?


Hippocratic oath says that "I will never harm people." Why ? Why he need to say such a thing ? If this was something comes from his logic, then maybe one day he would have to harm someone in order to achieve something important for him. My logic would protect my own interests, but my ethics/feelings (innate) would not allow me to harm someone for personal interests. This is what you cant explain by science.
 
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Yes watching a horse with your camera and proof up in your hands in the form of photos can probably explain insanity ...How do you watch a baby in the womb 1400 yrs ago in a desert?- Please do tell me who could say that the featus was the likes of a leach 1400 yrs ago?

How do you tell things were made of water 1400 yrs ago in a desert which only has oasis for water supply?

How do you talk about mountains, rivers, seas and oceans, hydrological cycle (observing clouds but what about underground water)?

So how many "savants" had access to I dont know ultrasound and could become an Obstetrician without using any form of scans and oh yes was uneducated and couldnt read nor write? Oh wait lets add him being born 1400 yrs ago!
was there no arabic before him or he invented arabic, were there no poetry before him or he invented poetry . he might be a savant who learnt by surrounding. can you give me quotes on hydrological cycle . btw at what age infant is a leech . thats pseudoscience , classic propaganda by the ilks of Zakir naik. dont quote those lines that as a fetus grows in human body its a leech, how does it simulate a leech , in that concept my hand is also a leech on my heart . and why all religions try to validate itself via the same scientific methods that reject god? why no religious text give formula of an antibiotic if it can explain pregnancy. plz quote me at what time of pregnancy cardiac output is highest acc to religious texts and its significance. Thanks.

The researches on babies proves that ethics are innate and common. If you defend its not, then you contradict with your pre post here. You said that you are not religious and you still had ethics because you have never take bribe, you never abused your authority or never teased a woman. So if you were born and raised in a society that people abuses their authority or they tease woman or they take bribes from the customers, then how we would decide about the ethic one ? Which one would be ethic ? taking bribes or not ? ethic or not according to whom ? which society ?


Hippocratic oath says that "I will never harm people." Why ? Why he need to say such a thing ? If this was something comes from his logic, then maybe one day he would have to harm someone in order to achieve something important for him. My logic would protect my own interests, but my ethics/feelings (innate) would not allow me to harm someone for personal interests. This is what you cant explain with science.
actually i can , i can simply cuuting out your limbic system i can desensitize you of all emotions , everything comes down to a few neurons forming synapse and secreting a neurotransmitter which can be manipulated by medicine which is not wriiten in any religious books. so given a chance i can alter your thought process and believes.
 
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Bro You may be Arabic but even back then and till date, people listen to a learned person from any background based on the Prophet's last sermon NO ARAB IS GREATER THAN ANYONE and vice versa except in terms of Aamal....Hence, I seriously find it offensive when people tell me they are Arabic speaker and know it all!
That is not a problem, bro, I never said I know it all nor that I am Arab thus I am superior. Muslims had learned men from almost every part of the world, and I do appreciate,respect and pray for all of them.
We were speaking about the meaning of an Arabic word, please keep it there and do not drag it to faith.
Arabic is so rich a language that words can have different meanings in different contexts or by grammar.
Kafir doesn't have that, it is a very narrowly specific word, best translated to disbeliever (sometimes also incredulous which can have a double sense one positive and another negative).
What you have been saying Brother is that one has to believe first and reject it before he can be called a disbeliever. while What I have been saying is that one can see the truth and still deny it and reject it without ever believing in it, Or worst yet because his mind is somehow clogged and blinded to the truth -by other beliefs- or practices or even personal interests like The rich and powerful tribe of koraich who had too many earthly riches to loose. so this is a kafir and does not really see the truth or just a part of it.
In any case, some one who sees the truth and understands it to be as such and still rejects it is the worst kafir.
Islam is but a guide to the right path, hence to the truth. And this truth does inherently incorporate peace and harmony in it, Peace with the creator, peace with oneself and peace with others.

was there no arabic before him or he invented arabic, were there no poetry before him or he invented poetry . he might be a savant who learnt by surrounding. can you give me quotes on hydrological cycle . btw at what age infant is a leech . thats pseudoscience , classic propaganda by the ilks of Zakir naik. dont quote those lines that as a fetus grows in human body its a leech, how does it simulate a leech , in that concept my hand is also a leech on my heart . and why all religions try to validate itself via the same scientific methods that reject god? why no religious text give formula of an antibiotic if it can explain pregnancy. plz quote me at what time of pregnancy cardiac output is highest acc to religious texts and its significance. Thanks.


actually i can , i can simply cuuting out your limbic system i can desensitize you of all emotions , everything comes down to a few neurons forming synapse and secreting a neurotransmitter which can be manipulated by medicine which is not wriiten in any religious books. so given a chance i can alter your thought process and believes.

Actually the prophet PBUH had challenged -through Koran, the word of God- any one to come up with a Surat or Aya that resembles Koran. And he was amongst the best Arabic manipulating gents that ever existed... and guess what, they couldn't, albeit many attempts.

Koran said to follow the path of science, it was not a library. But you can find hints on any scientific subject that crosses (or not) one's mind.

And how are you going to do that? through surgery or medication? Islam's message has proven to be a millionth fold more powerful and efficient than that.
 
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