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no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy

We are still a poor country, we have not even reached level of prosperity of many middle income countries. Our priorities were diffirent till now, how to feed, cloth and educate millions of people.
I dont expect anything coming out of India for next 50 years or so, its not necessarily bad. We should consolidate our gains, and build a solid foundation based on democracy, equality & fairness.

Elon musk had to sneak into Canada, and then to America to become successful. If he remained in south africa, I doubt you would have known his name. America is acting as magnet for talent and got clusters that will enable success. Its not fair to judge India based on that standard.
 
never heard of him.

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he is now a 88-year-old scientist and educationist who became famous in the early to mid 90's when he appeared on doordarshan tv channel to speak of natural phenomenon and technological discoveries... i don't remember the programmes but he would speak in simple terms and encourage the people to develop scientific temper.

he later became a advisor to the government on change in the education system. from a exam-marks-obsessed system to something that gives the student real education without burdening him or her.

he is a gentle and wise man, generally.

@levina @jbgt90 - do you remember him??

also, you should read views of sam pitroda, who initiated india's telecom services in a big way in the late 80s'... he has some progressive views ( thought not fully ) on education.
 
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he is now a 88-year-old scientist and educationist who became famous in the early to mid 90's when he appeared on doordarshan tv channel to speak of natural phenomenon and technological discoveries... i don't remember the programmes but he would speak in simple terms and encourage the people to develop scientific temper.

he later became a advisor to the government on change in the education system. from a exam-marks-obsessed system to something that gives the student real education without burdening him or her.

he is a gentle and wise man, generally.

@levina @jbgt90 - do you remember him??

also, you should read views of sam pitroda, who initiated india's telecom services in a big way in the late 80s'... he has some progressive views ( thought not fully ) on education.


Sorry, no jhollawalas. Like I said in my first post here. I don't agree on many things with you and this is one of them. I don't hate congress/ left liberal pricks. They are the people who handled the education system and they are solely responsible for the mess we are in right now.
 
We are still a poor country, we have not even reached level of prosperity of many middle income countries. Our priorities were diffirent till now, how to feed, cloth and educate millions of people.

68 years is a long time... some societies changed within a week or a year.

I dont expect anything coming out of India for next 50 years or so, its not necessarily bad. We should consolidate our gains, and build a solid foundation based on democracy, equality & fairness.

all these things should go parallel... one should build a society of fairness, gentleness, full material comfort and where any good dream is realizable.

Elon musk had to sneak into Canada, and then to America to become successful. If he remained in south africa, I doubt you would have known his name.

1. he had a start in south africa... he was playing with toy rockets and dreaming of space travel... when in school, he created a vid game and created a software company with his father as partner.

2. what do you mean "sneak into canada"?? is it about his escaping military service in sa??

3. in usa, he indeed had to do a graduate college course so that he could legally stay on in the country.

America is acting as magnet for talent and got clusters that will enable success. Its not fair to judge India based on that standard.

i will tell you a well-known saying from india from the mid-90's - "india is greater than usa because usa got electricity set up in all corners two hundred years after independence but india did it 50 years after independence".

can you sense any logic in that?? what should that tell us the lack of innovation here??
 
68 years is a long time... some societies changed within a week or a year.



all these things should go parallel... one should build a society of fairness, gentleness, full material comfort and where any good dream is realizable.



1. he had a start in south africa... he was playing with toy rockets and dreaming of space travel... when in school, he created a vid game and created a software company with his father as partner.

2. what do you mean "sneak in canada"??

3. in usa, he indeed had to do a graduate college course so that he could legally stay on in the country.



i will tell you a well-known saying from india from the mid-90's - "india is greater than usa because usa got electricity set up in all corners two hundred years after independence but india did it 50 years after independence".

can you sense any logic in that?? what should that tell us the lack of innovation here??
68 years is not a long time, for a socially imbalanced country like India. And I dont see anything special coming from countries at our prosperity level.
btw, Elon is not a inventor or scientist. He is an enterprenure. Like many other enterprenure he can see gap in market or tries to create a market. We have such innovators, People like Murty who brought outsourcing of technology, and people who brought call center are innovators too. Its not as sexy, I know. Not grand. So nobody is going to fap over murty. lolz.
 
68 years is not a long time, for a socially imbalanced country like India.

you didn't understand my point. :)

And I dont see anything special coming from countries at our prosperity level.

if you mean china or south korea, you are correct... they are just mass producers of technologies borrowed from elsewhere... china's shenzhou space capsule is simply a larger/newer copy of the soviet/russian soyuz... china's loongson microprocessor derives from the american mips architecture.

basically, china builds bigger things and in more numbers ( as applicable ) with no invention of its own, though i don't know about the ebola drug it created.

it also rapidly develops workable ideas that originate elsewhere... there was a thread day before yesterday i think about a chinese exoskeleton for military purposes.

btw, Elon is not a inventor or scientist. He is an enterprenure.

he is the chief designer of spacex, and spacex really innovated in its rockets and dragon capsules... refer the vid i posted in ( no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy ).

elon is what drives spacex... who can you replace him with??

Like many other enterprenure he can see gap in market or tries to create a market.

elon once said in a press conference "there is no business model for mars".

besides that, from ( SpaceX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...
n 2012, an initial public offering (IPO) was perceived as possible by the end of 2013,[30] but then Musk stated in June 2013 that he planned to hold off any potential IPO until after the "Mars Colonial Transporter is flying regularly,"[31] and this was reiterated in 2015 indicating that it would be many years before SpaceX would become a publicly-traded company,[32][33] where Musk stated that "I just don’t want [SpaceX] to be controlled by some private equity firm that would milk it for near-term revenue"[34]

We have such innovators, People like Murty who brought outsourcing of technology, and people who brought call center are innovators too.

they brought urbanization to indian cities no doubt, but they cannot be equated to elon.

Its not as sexy, I know. Not grand. So nobody is going to fap over murty. lolz.

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you didn't understand my point. :)



if you mean china or south korea, you are correct... they are just mass producers of technologies borrowed from elsewhere... china's shenzhou space capsule is simply a larger/newer copy of the soviet/russian soyuz... china's loongson microprocessor derives from the american mips architecture.

basically, china builds bigger things and in more numbers ( as applicable ) with no invention of its own, though i don't know about the ebola drug it created.

it also rapidly develops workable ideas that originate elsewhere... there was a thread day before yesterday i think about a chinese exoskeleton for military purposes.
I did not mean any specific country. Go to wikipedia, search for page that lists gdp per capita. Take your pic PPP or nominal, I dont care. Sort the list from high to low.
Find where India is, and see the countries below us. Not much surprise there, they will disappoint you probaby, but who knows!
Now start from India and go upward(toward more prosperious countries).
The moment you hit the country that impresses you due to their inventions, stop, and name here.

Its a good game, much better than throwing random names like Elon, china, yashpal. You are not a school kid that collects and worships superrman :)

@jamahir .. you dont need to list in stock market to be enterprenure. He saw gap in market due to lack of funding in NASA. His cashflow is healthy am pretty sure.
 
We need more private venture capitalists to put money in emerging profitable ideas. :tup:
 
I did not mean any specific country. Go to wikipedia, search for page that lists gdp per capita. Take your pic PPP or nominal, I dont care. Sort the list from high to low.
Find where India is, and see the countries below us. Not much surprise there, they will disappoint you probaby, but who knows!
Now start from India and go upward(toward more prosperious countries).
The moment you hit the country that impresses you due to their inventions, stop, and name here.

i don't understand what ppp or "nominal" are, so i looked at short list of gdp...

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china is at top and not quite the radical innovator, but below india are countries that actually do things.

spain has projects in solar-thermal electric generation ( a innovation/invention )... even iran is quite innovative... there is france whose one company produced the "atmel" embedded microprocessor... there is germany of course... there is britain whose one university output a clockless microprocessor ( i fail to recall the name )... there is russia which is a true space power and has its own "elbrus" microprocessor design... there is canada whence came the qnx operating system ( the world's best presently )...

so??

Its a good game, much better than throwing random names like Elon, china, yashpal. You are not a school kid that collects and worships superrman :)

i don't worship any human... it is about having a comradely understanding and sympathy with a fellow radical innovator in technology - i have my microprocessor/portable-computer project and know what struggles are ( in every sense ).

@jamahir .. you dont need to list in stock market to be enterprenure.

you know, he is socialistic in his approach to certain things, whether space "business" or whether the education system.

He saw gap in market due to lack of funding in NASA. His cashflow is healthy am pretty sure.

his cash-flow may be healthy now, but not so in the beginning of spacex.

out of his 180 million dollars share from sale of paypal to ebay, he put 100 into starting spacex, 70 into tesla and 10 into "solar city"... how many would do that??

you should listen to how two of of spacex's falcon-1 rockets failed just after launch in 2008 and the third succeeded... it is to be admired that the american establishment lent spacex the airforce space launch pad for the third time despite the first two failures... and this was 2008, in one way it took six years to build those rockets and in another way, it was a signature success for a private company to build space rockets... it was i think in 2009 that spacex got its first customer, the malaysian satellite - razaksat.

it is not all about money here but about old-fashioned "single man driving a vision".

i didn't understand what you mean by "lack of funding in nasa"... in fact, nasa funded a few private companies or groups, including spacex, to develop spaceships for american usage for near-future ( then ), private luggage delivery services to the space station and private crew delivery services to the space station.

i believe it was trust in mainly spacex that convinced nasa to abandon the nasa space shuttle program for finality... the last space shuttle flew in 2011.

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must sleep now... talk to you tomorrow.
 
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What earth shaking idea from China? Taiwan? Korea ? None there either. The islamoc worls at least has shaken the world woth terror. So its going to be a long time before we are going to achieve.

These societies allow failure and encourage risk taking. Eastern societies want to save face. Middle Eastern societies are neither and just want to go backwards. So what
 
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he is now a 88-year-old scientist and educationist who became famous in the early to mid 90's when he appeared on doordarshan tv channel to speak of natural phenomenon and technological discoveries... i don't remember the programmes but he would speak in simple terms and encourage the people to develop scientific temper.

he later became a advisor to the government on change in the education system. from a exam-marks-obsessed system to something that gives the student real education without burdening him or her.

he is a gentle and wise man, generally.

@levina @jbgt90 - do you remember him??

also, you should read views of sam pitroda, who initiated india's telecom services in a big way in the late 80s'... he has some progressive views ( thought not fully ) on education.

Let me be very frank, India must be doing something right to produce so many scientists and professionals. Isn't it??
I'm sanguine that in next 60years world would sit up and take notice.

Yes, there's an issue with our education system, add to our nightmares that our government doesn't have enough funds to support organisations like ISRO( there was a time when our rockets were carried on bullock carts). But it's improving now, we are slowly yet steadily getting over the pathetic education system gifted to us by our colonial masters, the sole purpose of which was to not let many Indians get admission into the government institutions.
I am keeping my fingers crossed. :-)
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I love my country too much to stomach any negative review on it by anyone, I hope you understand. Lol
 
India's Priority was survival and self sufficiency. Innovation will automatically follow as things get better. Earlier we were not getting any medals in Olympics and other world sports events, but now every current year gets better than the last. I am hopeful that we'll start making a mark in this field too. Sooner than later.
 
Main thing India is not developed country and infrastructure to support this kind thing is not great and secondly school and colleges need complete overhaul and universities and industries should support research projects coz most of universities producing copy and paste graduates they don't know how to apply anything practical just they act like machines and foremost any entrepreneur or research student should adopt mind set that it's okay to fail then we can see some change
 
- jamahir's foreword - questions to be answered by india's old middle-class, the new middle-class and the neo-rich to be found in bangalore, poona, gurgaon and hyderabad...

and narayanmurthy's statement are ironic considering his own army of computer engineers haven't given the world any radical new microprocessor, operating system or computer.

south asia ( especially pakistan and india ) as a whole is a region whose seven decades have seen no technological or political contribution to the world.

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No invention, earth shaking idea from India in 60 years: NR Narayana Murthy
By PTI | 15 Jul, 2015, 05.55PM IST

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"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said.BENGALURU: There has not been a single invention from India in the last 60 years that became a household name globally, nor any idea that led to "earth shaking" invention to "delight global citizens", IT czar N R Narayana Murthy said today.

"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said delivering the convocation address at the Indian Institute of Science here.

Listing out 10 major inventions that Massachusets Institute of Technology has created in the last 50 years that includes Global Positioning System, Bionic Prostheses and Microchip, Murthy said these happened because students and faculty at MIT "walked the untrodden path, asked the unasked questions and used their intellectual prowess to take huge leaps".

"They demonstrated unusual courage to achieve the plausibly-impossible. The story is similar at many other western institutions of higher education," he said.

He said almost all inventions such as cars, electric bulb, radio, television, computers, Internet, wifi, MRI, laser, robots and many other gadgets and technology happened, "thanks to the research by Western Universities".

He added: "On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning, particularly IISc ans IITs, have been over the last sixty-plus years to make our society and the world a better place?

"Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has lead to an earth shaking invention to delight global citizens?"

Co-founder of the country's major IT firm Infosys said: "Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations -- The Global Delivery Model and the 24-hours workday came from the company called Infosys."

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- jamahir's afterword : all colleges in india ( except the medical, films, music, fashion and architectural ones ) must be shut down as these are fit only to produce mindless drones who can only do jobs and create nothing.

in the last 13 to 14 years, the computer college courses in india, whether bachelor level, whether phd level, have produced at least 2 million "graduates"... what have they given to the world... in the last three years, some universities like "lovely professional university, jalandhar" even have "space courses"... does the gentle reader think these institutes are really worth the respect the width of a molecule??

once these colleges are shut-down and the government provides survival money to people instead of wasting money on armaments, creative people will find freedom to take the flights of fancy and innovate, create, design, contribute.

narayanmurthy has put a important point.

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