no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy

[Gibbs]

Cant argue.. And it's not just India but the whole region.. They have become more or less the back offices for multi national companies in the West.. The only way countries like Sri Lanka and India can escape the middle income nations trap they are in atm is through research and development strategies.. But i do not see that happening in the foreseeable future.. Simply because the policy makers are more interested in churning out robot like mediocre employee's and keeping the unemployment numbers down somehow.. It's political suicide to do otherwise in immature multi party democracies South Asia

agreed... among few times when a thread has not degenerated into a battle of ultra-nationalism and egos.



just in the computer sciences field, in the last 13 or 14 years.



agreed... people either want or have made themselves used to living on salaries, month to month, 10 am to 6 pm... life long... and to prepare for this, they spend their years in colleges preparing for exams, as you said to get a good job.

they neither have the energy nor the courage nor the inclination to invent and discover, just for the joy of it.





the facilities are all right here in india... below is "lovely professional university", a 600 acre campus in the punjab city of jalandhar... it is one the biggest university campuses in the world...

and they have invented nothing, discovered nothing... they are simply another jobnik production factory.

Whats with the name ??

 

[utraash]

The culture of fighting hard to earn the bread n butter has hijacked the creativity/innovation among the young educated Indians... Our education system also evidently reflects the fact what Mr. Murthy said..... There is also social roadblocks .... Btw I must congratulate the OP n Murthy to raking up.....

 

[itachiii]

India one day will be the biggest innovator of the world. It is just a natural progression. During independence India was barealy 10% literate. Today we up to 80%.

India is not yet ready for Innovation boom. It is at a very nascent stage right now when it comes to innovation and New idea culture. But it is getting there slowly.

we jst brought children in to schools.. there is no real education happening there...

 

[jamahir]

Cant argue.. And it's not just India but the whole region..

true.

They have become more or less the back offices for multi national companies in the West.

tragedy is that people in the region are not ashamed of being that.

The only way countries like Sri Lanka and India can escape the middle income nations trap they are in atm is through research and development strategies.

i think we are too lazy for revolutionary change... too much thinking it needs.

But i do not see that happening in the foreseeable future.. Simply because the policy makers are more interested in churning out robot like mediocre employee's and keeping the unemployment numbers down somehow.

very true.

Whats with the name ??

yes, a strange name... it seems to be a punjabi surname, like of this person ( Arvinder Singh Lovely - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

But it's improving now, we are slowly yet steadily getting over the pathetic education system gifted to us by our colonial masters, the sole purpose of which was to not let many Indians get admission into the government institutions.

why blame the britishers for what most indians wanted to do?? it is 68 years since "independence"... didn't you write yesterday "we are known for what we do now"??

how many people are willing to drop out of colleges and jobs nowand do something worthwhile??

Let me be very frank, India must be doing something right to produce so many scientists and professionals. Isn't it??

you got one thing right - "so many scientists and professionals", but...

but at least two million computer professionals have come out of indian colleges in the last 13 to 14 years... two million... show me one microprocessor they have designed.

I'm sanguine that in next 60years world would sit up and take notice.

by 2025, the world will be changed politically and technologically, let alone 60 sixty years from now... future of humanity is in hands of people like elon musk and those others who spend their years trying to bring radical political and technological change.

Yes, there's an issue with our education system, add to our nightmares that our government doesn't have enough funds to support organisations like ISRO( there was a time when our rockets were carried on bullock carts).

levina, levina...

isro did nothing special, as i have posted to you in a earlier page on this thread... isro is a over-funded satellite maker, nothing else.

a private company with a relatively miniscule number of employees and a relatively miniscule funding was able to do in 13 years what isro couldn't do in 50 years and is going to take humans to space in 2017...

where do you think lies the problem??

I love my country too much to stomach any negative review on it by anyone, I hope you understand. Lol

how will you get your country to improve if you don't point to its wrongs and inadequecies?? the point of the thread is india's ( and south asian ) technological non-contribution to the world... it is not acceptable to have western "transfer of technology" factories and offices in india and declare "oh so great are our scientists and professionals".

"india microprocessor program" was started by indian government in 2009 and remains unfulfilled... look at this reality-bringing article from 2010 ( Why a made-in-India chip remains chimeric - Livemint ).

drdo's "hack-proof crash-proof" operating system project started in 2010 remains without a single block diagram being drawn on paper or white-board ( Saraswat: DRDO working on India's own computer operating system - The Hindu ).


from ( DRDO working on India's own OS to beef up cyber security - Tech2 ) in 2012...

DRDO Chief V K Saraswat went ahead to reveal that the OS will be ready in the next three years.

yeah??

these are your "scientists and professionals"?? why couldn't they design anything in the 40 years or so of computers being in india?? how many million are they?? they didn't forget taking their salaries every month.

 

[B+ Dracula]

Tere muh me ghee shakar.

Bhai Ab, Choclates ka zamana hy

 

[Aepsilons]

that is indeed generally a fine system, sir. as you said, it builds a environment for voluntarily partaking in research... thanks for explaining in detail.

also, in usa, one can simply drop out of college and start a organization in any field of interest, whether in biology or computing or automobiles or indeed space... and i imagine, that organization need not have much difficulty in engaging the established academic people or institutes.

i find that a most admirable system.

Indeed. One of the things that I admire about Japanese academia is that they require an active, vociferous research life cycle among academics. This is one of the reasons why Japan was the top patent producer (top 3) on continuous basis, in fact we even produce more patent than China or South Korea , in fact we have double that of China's, and we are more than double that of Germany's own output. That shows a clear sign of how much Japanese scientists and the Japanese intellectual brain is capable of.

Pertinent and catalytic to this output is the culture in Japanese academia that is research-centered as well as group to group redesign focus. Perhaps India can learn from this and implement necessary factors into her own research paradigm.


Please refer:

Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

 

[Providence]

Indeed. One of the things that I admire about Japanese academia is that they require an active, vociferous research life cycle among academics. This is one of the reasons why Japan was the top patent producer (top 3) on continuous basis, in fact we even produce more patent than China or South Korea , in fact we have double that of China's, and we are more than double that of Germany's own output. That shows a clear sign of how much Japanese scientists and the Japanese intellectual brain is capable of.

Pertinent and catalytic to this output is the culture in Japanese academia that is research-centered as well as group to group redesign focus. Perhaps India can learn from this and implement necessary factors into her own research paradigm.


Please refer:

Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

Hi @Nihonjin1051

 

[Aepsilons]

Hello @Providence !

Hi @Nihonjin1051

 

[Spectre]

Indeed. One of the things that I admire about Japanese academia is that they require an active, vociferous research life cycle among academics. This is one of the reasons why Japan was the top patent producer (top 3) on continuous basis, in fact we even produce more patent than China or South Korea , in fact we have double that of China's, and we are more than double that of Germany's own output. That shows a clear sign of how much Japanese scientists and the Japanese intellectual brain is capable of.

Pertinent and catalytic to this output is the culture in Japanese academia that is research-centered as well as group to group redesign focus. Perhaps India can learn from this and implement necessary factors into her own research paradigm.

Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

Indeed, My first visit to Japan was as an exchange student in high school to Tamagawa Gakuen, Tokyo for six months. . I again got an opportunity to visit Japan under JENESYS program.

Though I was only able to take English Language courses, I found teaching methodologies to be slightly different than that we are used to in India. There is much more emphasis on writing papers for assignments while in India it's about problem solving. Not to say problem solving skills are ignored but the emphasis laid on it was lesser. Memorization though was still valued like it was in India.

It has been many years and I am sure there have been changes. Since Tokyo was so expensive, I was kinda temporarily adopted by a Japanese Family and stayed at their home as there was no hostel facility at that time.

Have very fond memories of that time, which paid a major role in me opting for my current Job

 

[jamahir]

Indeed. One of the things that I admire about Japanese academia is that they require an active, vociferous research life cycle among academics. This is one of the reasons why Japan was the top patent producer (top 3) on continuous basis, in fact we even produce more patent than China or South Korea , in fact we have double that of China's, and we are more than double that of Germany's own output. That shows a clear sign of how much Japanese scientists and the Japanese intellectual brain is capable of.

Pertinent and catalytic to this output is the culture in Japanese academia that is research-centered as well as group to group redesign focus. Perhaps India can learn from this and implement necessary factors into her own research paradigm.


Please refer:

Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

sorry to say but india can learn more from usa and ussr than it can do so from japan.

i disagree on some of your points.

1. number of patents alone do not mean much... the ideas need to be really useful to humankind rather than just be artifacts used within a consumerist environment... for example, the basis of the cell phone itself is wrong so it does not matter if there are ten patents about it... in your list, china and south korea are higher than britain... do those two countries really output something radical??

2. sincerely, i don't give much credibility to the academic world solely or to "industry research", because these often service as excuses for people to earn phd's... for example, microsoft had a "research" that used their kinect motion sensor and some mathematical equations to visualize supposedly the human face "inside out"... microsoft gave some modern-art cliche as reason for the project... i am sure at least ten people got their phd's done through this project.

3. as @Spectre mentioned, japan also has a culture of school/college learning by memorization, as does china and as does india to the extreme... this therefore does not generally produce anything radical but keeps some obsolete technology or method circulating... can you give me the name of a japanese microprocessor??

i am a college drop out and i encourage everyone to do so if they think they have a idea worth pursuing or if they are simply bored of college.

 

[Aepsilons]

Indeed, My first visit to Japan was as an exchange student in high school to Tamagawa Gakuen, Tokyo for six months. . I again got an opportunity to visit Japan under JENESYS program.

Though I was only able to take English Language courses, I found teaching methodologies to be slightly different than that we are used to in India. There is much more emphasis on writing papers for assignments while in India it's about problem solving. Not to say problem solving skills are ignored but the emphasis laid on it was lesser. Memorization though was still valued like it was in India.

It has been many years and I am sure there have been changes. Since Tokyo was so expensive, I was kinda temporarily adopted by a Japanese Family and stayed at their home as there was no hostel facility at that time.

Have very fond memories of that time, which paid a major role in me opting for my current Job

Awesome to know that you visited and actually lived in Japan for a considerable time in your youth, @Spectre . Now I know why you are in your current profession, more and more exchanges through the JENESYS program should be made as I think it is only beneficial for both India and Japan to have direct people to people exchanges. The Embassy of India in Tokyo, for example, have Indian Nationals who have been educated and living in Japan for decades and their experience is invaluable. Some of the Japanese nationals who work in the Indian Consulate(s) as well as Indian Embassy in Japan were also educated in India.

 

[livingdead]

i don't understand what ppp or "nominal" are, so i looked at short list of gdp...

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china is at top and not quite the radical innovator, but below india are countries that actually do things.

spain has projects in solar-thermal electric generation ( a innovation/invention )... even iran is quite innovative... there is france whose one company produced the "atmel" embedded microprocessor... there is germany of course... there is britain whose one university output a clockless microprocessor ( i fail to recall the name )... there is russia which is a true space power and has its own "elbrus" microprocessor design... there is canada whence came the qnx operating system ( the world's best presently )...

so??



i don't worship any human... it is about having a comradely understanding and sympathy with a fellow radical innovator in technology - i have my microprocessor/portable-computer project and know what struggles are ( in every sense ).



you know, he is socialistic in his approach to certain things, whether space "business" or whether the education system.



his cash-flow may be healthy now, but not so in the beginning of spacex.

out of his 180 million dollars share from sale of paypal to ebay, he put 100 into starting spacex, 70 into tesla and 10 into "solar city"... how many would do that??

you should listen to how two of of spacex's falcon-1 rockets failed just after launch in 2008 and the third succeeded... it is to be admired that the american establishment lent spacex the airforce space launch pad for the third time despite the first two failures... and this was 2008, in one way it took six years to build those rockets and in another way, it was a signature success for a private company to build space rockets... it was i think in 2009 that spacex got its first customer, the malaysian satellite - razaksat.

it is not all about money here but about old-fashioned "single man driving a vision".

i didn't understand what you mean by "lack of funding in nasa"... in fact, nasa funded a few private companies or groups, including spacex, to develop spaceships for american usage for near-future ( then ), private luggage delivery services to the space station and private crew delivery services to the space station.

i believe it was trust in mainly spacex that convinced nasa to abandon the nasa space shuttle program for finality... the last space shuttle flew in 2011.

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must sleep now... talk to you tomorrow.

you missed the keyword 'per capita'... ignore PPP and nominal.. and do the exercise plz.

 

[jamahir]

you missed the keyword 'per capita'... ignore PPP and nominal.. and do the exercise plz.

come on, yaar... what would be the point of it??

okay, you make that post.

 

[livingdead]

come on, yaar... what would be the point of it??

okay, you make that post.

na, I cant be bothered to write long post when important point I make being ignored or misunderstood. So lets try soratic method, lets discover truth together, coz as much as you want to preach, I aint listening.

 

[jamahir]

na, I cant be bothered to write long post when important point I make being ignored or misunderstood.

well...

So lets try soratic method, lets discover truth together, coz as much as you want to preach, I aint listening.

hence this discussion thread.