no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy

[jamahir]

- jamahir's foreword - questions to be answered by india's old middle-class, the new middle-class and the neo-rich to be found in bangalore, poona, gurgaon and hyderabad...

and narayanmurthy's statement are ironic considering his own army of computer engineers haven't given the world any radical new microprocessor, operating system or computer.

south asia ( especially pakistan and india ) as a whole is a region whose seven decades have seen no technological or political contribution to the world.
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No invention, earth shaking idea from India in 60 years: NR Narayana Murthy
By PTI | 15 Jul, 2015, 05.55PM IST

"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said.BENGALURU: There has not been a single invention from India in the last 60 years that became a household name globally, nor any idea that led to "earth shaking" invention to "delight global citizens", IT czar N R Narayana Murthy said today.

"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said delivering the convocation address at the Indian Institute of Science here.

Listing out 10 major inventions that Massachusets Institute of Technology has created in the last 50 years that includes Global Positioning System, Bionic Prostheses and Microchip, Murthy said these happened because students and faculty at MIT "walked the untrodden path, asked the unasked questions and used their intellectual prowess to take huge leaps".

"They demonstrated unusual courage to achieve the plausibly-impossible. The story is similar at many other western institutions of higher education," he said.

He said almost all inventions such as cars, electric bulb, radio, television, computers, Internet, wifi, MRI, laser, robots and many other gadgets and technology happened, "thanks to the research by Western Universities".

He added: "On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning, particularly IISc ans IITs, have been over the last sixty-plus years to make our society and the world a better place?

"Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has lead to an earth shaking invention to delight global citizens?"

Co-founder of the country's major IT firm Infosys said: "Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations -- The Global Delivery Model and the 24-hours workday came from the company called Infosys."

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- jamahir's afterword : all colleges in india ( except the medical, films, music, fashion and architectural ones ) must be shut down as these are fit only to produce mindless drones who can only do jobs and create nothing.

in the last 13 to 14 years, the computer college courses in india, whether bachelor level, whether phd level, have produced at least 2 million "graduates"... what have they given to the world... in the last three years, some universities like "lovely professional university, jalandhar" even have "space courses"... does the gentle reader think these institutes are really worth the respect the width of a molecule??

once these colleges are shut-down and the government provides survival money to people instead of wasting money on armaments, creative people will find freedom to take the flights of fancy and innovate, create, design, contribute.

narayanmurthy has put a important point.
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@levina @thesolar65 @jbgt90 @IrbiS @WAJsal @The_Showstopper @haviZsultan @bongbang @BDforever @hinduguy

 

[jamahir]

@Sky lord ^^^

 

[Spectre]

jamahir's foreword - questions to be answered by india's old middle-class, the new middle-class and the neo-rich to be found in bangalore, poona, gurgaon and hyderabad...

and narayanmurthy's statement are ironic considering his own army of computer engineers haven't given the world any radical new microprocessor, operating system or computer.
south asia ( especially pakistan and india ) as a whole is a regional whose seven decades have seen no technological or political contribution to the world.
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No invention, earth shaking idea from India in 60 years: NR Narayana Murthy
By PTI | 15 Jul, 2015, 05.55PM IST

"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said.BENGALURU: There has not been a single invention from India in the last 60 years that became a household name globally, nor any idea that led to "earth shaking" invention to "delight global citizens", IT czar N R Narayana Murthy said today.

"Our youngsters have not done much impactful research work despite being equal to their counterparts in intellect and energy in Western universities," he said delivering the convocation address at the Indian Institute of Science here.

Listing out 10 major inventions that Massachusets Institute of Technology has created in the last 50 years that includes Global Positioning System, Bionic Prostheses and Microchip, Murthy said these happened because students and faculty at MIT "walked the untrodden path, asked the unasked questions and used their intellectual prowess to take huge leaps".

"They demonstrated unusual courage to achieve the plausibly-impossible. The story is similar at many other western institutions of higher education," he said.

He said almost all inventions such as cars, electric bulb, radio, television, computers, Internet, wifi, MRI, laser, robots and many other gadgets and technology happened, "thanks to the research by Western Universities".

He added: "On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning, particularly IISc ans IITs, have been over the last sixty-plus years to make our society and the world a better place?

"Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has lead to an earth shaking invention to delight global citizens?"

Co-founder of the country's major IT firm Infosys said: "Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations -- The Global Delivery Model and the 24-hours workday came from the company called Infosys."

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jamahir's afterword : all colleges in india ( except the medical, films, music, fashion and architectural ones ) must be shut down as these are fit only to produce mindless drones who can only do jobs and create nothing.

in the last 13 to 14 years, the computer college courses in india, whether bachelor level, whether phd level, have produced at least 2 million "graduates"... what have they given to the world... in the last three years, some universities like "lovely professional university, jalandhar" even have "space courses"... does the gentle reader think these institutes are really worth the respect the width of a molecule??

once these colleges are shut-down and the government provides survival money to people instead of wasting money on armaments, creative people will find freedom to take the flights of fancy and innovate, create, design, contribute.

narayanmurthy has put a important point.
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@levina @thesolar65 @jbgt90 @IrbiS @WAJsal @The_Showstopper @haviZsultan @bongbang @BDforever @hinduguy @skylord

True and sad fact but there are number of mitigating circumstances too.

India after it's independence has had other priorities than science and research. Our universities are geared more towards industry and employment rather than pure research as R & D is very costly and India is still not in a position to provide funds and grants to scholars for research.

The level of research and experimentation needed to succeed and result in a earth shattering innovation is huge. Out of probably 1000s of research projects may be 1 qualifies as ground breaking. Universities such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton and likes have endowments worth the GDP of smaller countries.

The wealthy in US and Europe give most of their wealth back to these universities while the money in India is new money and people are obviously attached to it. Those from the 2nd and 3rd generation money like Tatas have studied in said ivy league colleges and instead of giving their money to Indian universities rather give to their alma mater.

As time passes and we see more and more IIT and IISC graduates raking in mullah and becoming billionaires we too would see money available to these colleges increase and hence these colleges would be able to focus on research. Give it 20-30 more years my friend. In the period 1947 - 2000 we have seen many ground breaking discoveries from Indians but unfortunately they have all happened in west as India was not able to offer them the tools and money needed for research.

 

[jamahir]

@Spring Onion - the op

 

[thesolar65]

Out of 60 years 45 years went in search of ideas "How to fill this darn stomach everyday" And after 2000 i.e when this Y2K problem hit world "New Indian neo-rich middle class" took birth!! Just wait for few more years...You have waited for 60 years.....How about some more!!

 

[jamahir]

Our universities are geared more towards industry and employment

exactly... it is like a assembly line of engineer-workers who are trained to think limitedly rather than ask questions... asking questions however silly and questioning the basis itself in any field in the key to innovation.

the rot starts from family level where the male mostly is pressured from school to get marks because high marks will get that one a better chance at a better salary ( small in world terms ) and a salary will get that one married off to start family and then breed children who will continue the cycle of the parents.

in all this rush, where would one get time and comfort to invent and innovate??

rather than pure research as R & D is very costly and India is still not in a position to provide funds and grants to scholars for research.

no, research is not costly... think of spacex... elon musk built the human-capable spaceship dragon 1 and its launch rocket, falcon 9, at such low cost... no government agency in the world has done that... probably the soviets decades back, but not now.

spacex had to start from scratches on paper and drawing board... they had to simplify for themselves spaceship design and innovate in many cases... and they did this cheaply, because they simplified... they didn't follow every "industry standard" or textbook line.

 

[nForce]

It took time to develop proper infrastructure and we are still lacking in so many ways.
The issue is not the people, problem lies with resources.
And of course, as @Spectre said, our institutions for higher education are more focused towards churning out skilled workers.
@jamahir Can you make a list of points and float around please ? That will help us to summarize.

 

[Kaniska]

Valid point....India is so much focoussed on the survival mode after independence...that they do not have leader to think big in innovation..And with the advent of service industry, companies think of getting quick money with outsourcing and alll these stuffs..So in order to progress from this point, innovation is the key to success....

 

[Spectre]

exactly... it is like a assembly line of engineer-workers who are trained to think limitedly rather than ask questions... asking questions however silly and questioning the basis itself in any field in the key to innovation.

the rot starts from family level where the male mostly in pressured from school to get marks because high marks will get that one a better chance at a better salary ( small in world terms ) and a salary will get that one married off to start family and then breed children who will continue the cycle of the parents.

in all this rush, where would one get time and comfort to invent and innovate??



no, research is not costly... think of spacex... elon musk built the human-capable spaceship dragon 1 and its launch rocket, falcon 9, at such low cost... no government agency in the world has done that... probably the soviets decades back, but not now.

spacex had to start from scratches on paper and drawing board... they had to simplify for themselves spaceship design and innovate in many cases... and they did this cheaply, because they simplified... they didn't follow every "industry standard" or textbook line.

Whatever you say about SpaceX applies to ISRO too, their budget is peanuts compared to NASA and they are doing phenomenal work.

Please try to understand my point, India as a society is till in Roti Kapda and Makan wala stage according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. So as a population we need to take care of basic needs and provide for our families.

Such responsibilities and burdens don't leave a lot of free time to pursue research unless it's a job like in ISRO or IPR etc. That mindset would change in generation or too.

There are few oddball exceptions but as a percentage of population there numbers are in decimals and hence such discoveries and inventions are also negligible.

As for role learning and such I agree with you, but industry demands zombie workers specially the IT ones hence we produce them.

That aside Educational reforms are the need of the hour. No arguments from me on that

 

[Force-India]

Because we are too dependent on western technology.

 

[jamahir]

It took time to develop proper infrastructure and we are still lacking in so many ways.

The issue is not the people, problem lies with resources.

you need just a fpga board costing only 125,000 rupees to simulate your own microprocessor... but you need to have your own design, which will take one brilliant mind or five brilliant minds... there lies the problem.

the best operating system in the world is the qnx os... it's first version was developed in 1982 by two canadians who resigned from their jobs to pursue their idea of a microkernel-based architecture os which they thought no one was pursuing for outside-of-academic-world purposes ( and true )... they started a office above a shop and one of those two was sustained by the salary of wife... and now, qnx os version 6xx is such a great os.

to create a prototype doesn't require a huge amount of money... all it requires is self-confidence and people who believe in india... these two things are lacking for the most part in india.

Because we are too dependent on western technology.

the reason is we ( the south asians ) are users and never think of creating.

often on pdf, members have asked me "why reinvent the wheel??"... if that is the mentality, we won't ever innovate.

 

[Force-India]

the reason is we ( the south asians ) are users and never think of creating.

often on pdf, members have asked me "why reinvent the wheel??"... if that is the mentality, we won't ever innovate.

Ya because everyone runs for just jobs, atleast in India. No one has guts to take the risk of opening a research or business. This is because mostly people know it will be hard ti find a life partner if no money and job is the easiest way for it. It has become a part of our culture which needs to change.

 

[nForce]

you need just a fpga board costing only 125,000 rupees to simulate your own microprocessor... but you need to have your own design, which will take one brilliant mind or five brilliant minds... there lies the problem.

the best operating system in the world is the qnx os... it's first version was developed in 1982 by two canadians who resigned from their jobs to pursue their idea of a microkernel-based architecture os which they thought no one was pursuing for outside-of-academic-world purposes ( and true )... they started a office above a shop and one of those two was sustained by the salary of wife... and now, qnx os version 6xx is such a great os.

to create a prototype doesn't require a huge amount of money... all it requires is self-confidence and people who believe in india... these two things are lacking for the most part in india.

The same people have gone to the west, and they have been successful. I will not start taking names here, we all know them.
Infrastructure is one big problem, we will have to understand that. The problem is not with the mind and talent, or even their motivation. The problem is in supplementing that with proper resources. Take the example of ISRO. What they have been doing is pretty impressive. It may not be singular, but very few countries in the World have similar capability.

It's your thread, you should start summarizing the points. Either you do it, or I'll do it for you.

 

[jamahir]

There are few oddball exceptions but as a percentage of population there numbers are in decimals and hence such discoveries and inventions are also negligible.

i will start with the recent case of a young man, school age, who was the indian entrant into a competition arranged by the google company... he built a prototype of a human-voice-enhancing machine which would be affixed to the throat of those people whose voice is weak because of age or illness... he did not invent it yes, but he was innovating by making a cheaper version than was available from foreign manufacturers.

it is sad that he did not find funding from the government or some venture capital company but rather had to enter into a western company's competition.

what most indians fail to understand is that it is the idea that is important and from the start... to build a prototype money and to get a good project's prototype into manufacture also needs money.

but what do indian venture capital companies funds?? they fund online exam preparation companies and online shopping companies, because these don't take a year or two years to come to prototype stage but give "return on investment" within a few months because there is nothing to creative here ( all tools are available ).

i don't know what happened to the young man's project after his project was eliminated at a later stage... come on, why wasn't at least the government funding his idea...

Whatever you say about SpaceX applies to ISRO too, their budget is peanuts compared to NASA and they are doing phenomenal work.

but again in case of isro stands narayanmurthy's question... invention, innovation and contribution to humanity, which isro has not really done... one has to be fair on that.

isro's budged may be peanuts compared to nasa, but spacex's budget is lot less than isro, and it is spacex that within 13 years of establishment is ready with a seven-seat powered-descending leo spaceship ( dragon v2 ) and its own rockets whose luggage capacity far exceeds isro's.

also, nasa had projects like hubble telescope and voyager spaceships which contributed just a little more to human understanding of space.

also, nasa's budget is bigger simply because of nasa being a agency of a capitalist government where everyone wants to make money out of the slightest thing and because they have lot of unnecessary standards to conform to.

spacex operates on a small budget because, (a). they don't follow much of standards but choose to build to their own needs, (b). they innovate rather than procure things from over-pricing contractors.

please watch this vid to know of the spacex approach... it is the unveiling of the dragon v2 spaceship...

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Please try to understand my point, India as a society is till in Roti Kapda and Makan wala stage according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. So as a population we need to take care of basic needs and provide for our families.

all that could have been taken care of in 1947 if the founders of the indian republic had thought of a socialist political system where citizens basic needs are very easily taken care of and the citizens were left free to contribute.

when one's material needs are fulfilled without spending most of the day in economic bondage, one can have the spiritual calmness and harmony to create, discover and contribute.

That mindset would change in generation or too.

but we can't wait for a generation more... this is something to be started now, tomorrow, within the year's end... otherwise it will never start.

As for role learning and such I agree with you, but industry demands zombie workers specially the IT ones hence we produce them.

That aside Educational reforms are the need of the hour. No arguments from me on that

agreed.

It's your thread, you should start summarizing the points. Either you do it, or I'll do it for you.

i think you have a few points in mind already, so you start and others will discuss and add to them.

 

[Roman 12]

Whatever you say about SpaceX applies to ISRO too, their budget is peanuts compared to NASA and they are doing phenomenal work.

Please try to understand my point, India as a society is till in Roti Kapda and Makan wala stage according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. So as a population we need to take care of basic needs and provide for our families.

Such responsibilities and burdens don't leave a lot of free time to pursue research unless it's a job like in ISRO or IPR etc. That mindset would change in generation or too.

There are few oddball exceptions but as a percentage of population there numbers are in decimals and hence such discoveries and inventions are also negligible.

As for role learning and such I agree with you, but industry demands zombie workers specially the IT ones hence we produce them.

That aside Educational reforms are the need of the hour. No arguments from me on that

Hey can you please tell me how to enter into Bharat Rakshak i think they don't accept gmail accounts.