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God bless his soul

He may have many flaws as a human but no doubt he was a brave person. His death has exposed many “brave warriors” in our media.

All very cautious in condemning this act of brutality except Abbas Ather who was the only person, I was able to find who called Salamn Taseer shaheed.
 
@Solomon2,
What needs to be done? A few pages ago, in this Topic, I posted my very early, un-patriotic, and desperate thoughts about can be done. With Taseer's death and the subsequent support for the assassin in blgspace and media, I have finally given up on the evolutionary path following the 2008 elections. I don't think now even the military can clean this up on its.
We need to take drastic steps! And we will need full outside support from all. I am not going to live in Pakistan's geo-strategic location mantra and some great game scenarios.
As you well know: I have seen the enemy and it us!
 
On Twitter, Glimpses of a Slain Pakistani Governor’s War on Religious ‘Fanatics’

By ROBERT MACKEY


Updated | 1:32 p.m. As my colleagues Salman Masood and Carlotta Gall report, the governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province, Salman Taseer, was shot and killed by one of his guards on Tuesday.

Mr. Taseer had recently waged a very public campaign to save the life of a Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan’s blasphemy law and his assassin was reportedly angered by the governor’s outspoken support for changing that law, despite the objections of Islamist leaders.

Pakistan’s interior minister, Rehman Malik, told reporters: “The police guard who killed him says he did this because Mr. Taseer recently defended the proposed amendments to the blasphemy law. This is what he told the police after surrendering himself.”

Through his frequently updated Twitter feed, Mr. Taseer was a tireless combatant in Pakistan’s online culture war, between secular liberals and religious conservatives, and his death was both mourned and celebrated on blogs and social networks.

In an emotional post on the blog Pak Tea House, Yasser Latif Hamdani, a Lahore lawyer, wrote:

The bastards have murdered the one honest man in the whole shameful lot of bigots, fascists and idiots… Today is a most tragic day for Pakistan, for sanity and for humanity. Salman Taseer was MURDERED by religio-fascists.

Mr. Hamdani added that the governor’s killing had laid bare “the whirlpool of religious violence and extremism we are stuck in

From the other side of the political spectrum, a Facebook page was set up to praise the gunman and drew more than 2,500 fans in a matter of hours, as David Kenner reports on Foreign Policy’s Passport blog.

Jahanzaib Haque, a Web editor for Pakistan’s Express Tribune newspaper, wrote on Twitter: “We have 50% comments coming in praising the guard… busy deleting them… I feel sick.”

As the BBC journalist Mishal Husain noted soon after Mr. Taseer’s death, readers unfamiliar with the governor’s willingness to take on what he called Pakistan’s “religious right” can scroll back through his recent updates on Twitter to get a sense of the man.

Three days ago, for instance, after street protests against proposed changes to the blasphemy law, Mr. Taseer pronounced himself:

Unimpressed by mullah rightest madrassa demo yesterday: small numbers abusive well organised no general public support

In an update posted on New Year’s Eve, Mr. Taseer declared that even though he was “under huge pressure” from the right to stop pushing for changes to the blasphemy law, he had no intention of doing so. “Even,” he added, “if I’m the last man standing

A few days earlier, referring to messages from other users of the social network calling for his death, Mr. Taseer suggested that they should be filed under: “Example of a sick mind

On Christmas Day he wrote:

Merry Xmas to all Christian brothers and sisters all over Pakistan. We respect ur patriotism & great role u have played building Pakistan.

The evening before, he seconded the observation of another Twitter user who wrote, “we live in a country where [the] mullah brigade can get away with murder but minorities are persecuted on frivolous charges.” Mr. Taseer added:

My observation on minorities: A man/nation is judged by how they support those weaker than them not how they lean on those stronger.

Covered in the righteous cloak of religion and even a puny dwarf imagines himself a monster. Important to face. And call their bluff.


In other notes posted in the weeks before his death, Mr. Taseer compared the struggle over the blasphemy law in Pakistan with the struggle “against extremists” by people “like Rosa Parks,” called a conservative media tycoon a “psychotic nut,” and attacked Islamist clerics who support suicide bombing. In the clipped slang of Twitter, Mr. Taseer wrote to the clerics running religious schools, or madrassas:

My advice 2 mullahs who r telling little madrassah boys that they have a ticket 2 heaven: Grab it urself or give it 2 ur son.

Mr. Taseer also used Twitter to alert his followers to remarks he made about the Islamist “lunatic fringe” in an interview with Pakistan’s Newsline on Dec. 23, in which he said that the country’s blasphemy law “is a man-made law, not a God-made one.”

In the same interview, Mr. Taseer explained that he had taken up the case of the Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy because “this is a blatant violation against a member of a minority community. I, like a lot of right-minded people, was outraged.” He added: “The real problem is that the government is not prepared to face religious fanaticism head on. This also gives us a bad name in the world.”

Mr. Taseer’s feed was not exclusively devoted to tweaking Islamists, though. He also used it to joke about cricket (by suggesting that Pakistan’s successful blind cricket team might be cheating), to poke at his Indian followers and India’s prime minister and even to make light of the strain placed on diplomatic relations by the leaked U.S. cables. The week the first cables were published he wrote:

Having a small dinner tonight 4 new U.S. Ambassador Cameron Muenter & Marlyn his wife. Try not 2 discuss Wikileaks.



On Twitter, Glimpses of a Slain Pakistani Governor's War on Religious 'Fanatics' - NYTimes.com
 
No country for brave men

Ignore those who will bring up any of Salmaan Taseer’s flaws. Now is not the time. Whatever flaws or foibles he may have had only show that he was human. Salmaan Taseer wasn’t killed because of politics. He was murdered in cold blood because of who he represented: innocent men and women who try to speak out against the evil that lurks among us.

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He was killed because he said the Holy laws of Islam a "Black Law"....

If Aasia is innocent then he should have only struggled to save her because, Its a duty of every muslim and non muslim to save innocents from cruelty....

But, He should not have said the Blasphemy Law a "Black Law"... This was his mistake. And a very great mistake, which he made....
 
All very cautious in condemning this act of brutality except Abbas Ather who was the only person, I was able to find who called Salamn Taseer shaheed.

A shaheed is a person who dies for Islam... He didn't did that .... So he is not a shaheed....

So rather than claiming every politician who is killed,a "Shaheed", we should study first the definition of "Shaheed" in Islam...
 
Abou Zulfiqar,
May be there were 'lawyers' may be not. May be they were store owners. May be Madrassah student? Does it change anything? It seems to me that you are trying to portray that the assassin is in worse shape then he really, with only some non-educated fundos around him. Pardon me if I misunderstand you but some of your posts have left me thinking that you are not quite as clear cut against the assassin and his ideology and that you somehow think there is some political game being played by the PPP. I discussed a lot the assassination in posts frequented by the likes of @Mohd bin Qasims and @Omar1984 so I may be wrong.

I have NO idea as to how you jumped to that conclusion

:what:
 
A shaheed is a person who dies for Islam... He didn't did that .... So he is not a shaheed....

So rather than claiming every politician who is killed,a "Shaheed", we should study first the definition of "Shaheed" in Islam...


Brother shaheed is of seven kinds.One who is killed by a person is also called Shaheed
 
All Mulla's Sbs in Pakistan please answer one thing are you & this brutal killer are bigger lovers of our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) compared to Sahaba karaams ?listen no where even near..so you all must remember once there was a lady who used to throw things on our Holy Prophet (PBUH) when she once did'nt through he went personally to ask why is she ok ? that time also Quran majeed was their which says any wrong doing against our Holy Prophet(PBUH) wont be tolerated..then did those Sahaba kraam killed that woman why they we all deeply in love with Holy Prophet (PBUH)...no justifications...our Mullas did nothing to spread Islam rather only played street politics and Firka bazi that's it !

Rather than telling these stories, that are irrelevant , go and study in the books of hadith and see what the Holy Prophet (SA) ordered his Sahabahs to do when some one did the Blasphemy of Holy Prophet (SA) during his lifetime.....

They were all ordered to be killed.....
 
Rameez Sahib,
Yesterday this guy @Omar1984 tried this: Blasphemy Law is supported by '90% Pakistanis'. Here you are following in the same mindset.

Blasphemy Law was introduced by a RUTHLESS military dictator who did not shy away from publicly hanging 'deviants' and political prisoners. This Law is not some some word of God. It was man made. It is a different story that no Parliament has the courage to repeal this Law because of the threats involved--as Taseer's death shows. This does not make the Law the voice of the people. Indeed, when Nawaz Sharif tried to introduce the Shariat Law he was unsuccessful.
Are you following me? If not then hear me out: Indeed this is a man-made Black Law misused against innocent people to settle scores. And the Law was certainly not introduced by any truly elected Parliament in the first place.
 
He was killed because he said the Holy laws of Islam a "Black Law"....

If Aasia is innocent then he should have only struggled to save her because, Its a duty of every muslim and non muslim to save innocents from cruelty....

But, He should not have said the Blasphemy Law a "Black Law"... This was his mistake. And a very great mistake, which he made....

He called 295 a black law, what’s wrong in it?

It is not any Islamic law, do a little research on number of accused under this “Islamic law” as you called it. How many were muslims and how many were non-muslims.

Little research will show you what were the real motives behind each case.

Hope you will do?
 
Brother shaheed is of seven kinds.One who is killed by a person is also called Shaheed

to be a Shaheed one has to be a muslim.... He tried to finish the Islamic Law, and gave wrong comments about Blaspehmy Laws, which takes the him otherwise.....
 
I feared this would happen. You now have very little time left to avoid the mistakes the Iranian democrats made. What course of action do you have planned so far?

we can only protest on to these online foras and social networks , better would be to go out on streets with banners but since the plague is so wide spread that it would require multi pronged engagement including all forces of state specially media campaigning, demonstrations alone would not suffice.Its a long battle ahead to change this mindset that leads to these barbaric actions.Hopefully order could be brought about after chaos...!
 
He was killed because he said the Holy laws of Islam a "Black Law"...

please dont spread propaganda and lies here.....

he said the blasphemy law was a ''black law'' and I'm happy to see a lot of people here agree with that.

and please dont then reply and say the blasphemy law is an Islamic law when it really is a man-made one


If Aasia is innocent then he should have only struggled to save her because, Its a duty of every muslim and non muslim to save innocents from cruelty....

he died trying......and hopefully for the honour (not just his, but the COUNTRY's) sake the law will be repealed once and for all

why?


because the people who coined the law; and the people who believe its a just law need to have their heads examined..........acting as if a mere statement could dent or jeopardize people's faith in the deen.



But, He should not have said the Blasphemy Law a "Black Law"... This was his mistake. And a very great mistake, which he made....

he stood by his conviction and he died because of it........I get the impression that you are celebrating his death.

you are free to express yourself here, but i think you have a very failed argument



and if there is a blasphemy law ''favouring'' Islam; then it should be punishable to insult anything related to Christian, Ahmeddy, Jewish, Parsi, Sikh etc. faith as well.
 
to be a Shaheed one has to be a muslim.... He tried to finish the Islamic Law, and gave wrong comments about Blaspehmy Laws, which takes the him otherwise.....

Because he said something with which you disagree, does not give you or anyone the right to question his faith or the right to take his life. In the end, you are simply justifying a cold-blooded murder and taking side of a lunatic killer.
 
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