No cenral asian migration to Bengal and Timur was not a mongol

[kobiraaz]

Ashraf-Ajlaf divide is a reality in (undivided) Indian Islam. Even today.

i havent seen it ! you know more about my country than me! i dont know what is ashraf ! i bet 99% bangladeshis dont know! Go figure.....

After a thousand years and more of Islam, what is the current state?Not very "final and perfect", isn't it?

The religion is perfect! but people are not! Even prophets made mistakes. your hatred towards a particular religion is apparent....

The destruction of Nalanda university by the barbarians and the massacre there is a good place to start for you.

destruction of an university is hardly a genocide or forced conversation....... I was asking about East Bengal!

 

[Vinod2070]

Undivided India and current India is a Muslim Minority country. Bangladesh is not. The psycho of Muslim here are totally different.

It came into practice when the invader Muslims were ruling most parts of India including Bengal.

Not perfect yet better.

Interesting. You just opened a Pandora's box here.

If it is not perfect, can you guess what it means? That it was a sham all along.

Its a controversial story and far away from Eastern Bengal where actually people got converted.

It is told by much relish by the Islamic historians. Why is it controversial for you?

People never convert en masse voluntarily to an alien faith system that is so removed from their own. The dynamics at play can't be much different to what happened in the contiguous Islamic areas today, all of which lost their own civilization, faith and culture.

To become a pale shadow of their ancient greatness.

 

[LaBong]

i havent seen it ! you know more about my country than me! i dont know what is ashraf ! i bet 99% bangladeshis dont know! Go figure..

Because there is no ashraf in Bangladesh to begin with. Ashrafs are Qureishi, Mirzas, Mallik etc

 

[Vinod2070]

i havent seen it ! you know more about my country than me! i dont know what is ashraf ! i bet 99% bangladeshis dont know! Go figure.....

Its not about "your country".

If 99% (or even 100%) of you don't know something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You can go and read up on this thing. There is plenty of information and you surely have access to the net and a browser and a search engine.

The religion is perfect! but people are not! Even prophets made mistakes. your hatred towards a particular religion is apparent....

The "final and perfect religion" was supposed to cover for the peoples' imperfections as well.

No?

Then why the 1,20,000 iterations before perfecting the final one if the people had to remain as ignorant as they were all along?

destruction of an university is hardly a genocide or forced conversation....... I was asking about East Bengal!

I am talking of the Islamic invaders in general and some of Bangladeshis' heroes like Khilji in particular. I have not read of East Bengal's history separately but I see no reason why it would be any different to what happened everywhere else the natives lost their faith and identity.

 

[kobiraaz]

Because there is no ashraf in Bangladesh to begin with. Ashrafs are Qureishi, Mirzas, Mallik etc

there are two mallik living in neighborhood, i have a friend SOabraj al Qureishi and there are a lot Mirzas !

 

[TopCat]

It came into practice when the invader Muslims were ruling most parts of India including Bengal.

I told you its a muslim majority country and majority rules. So Ashraf had to give up their pride or whatever for survival.

Interesting. You just opened a Pandora's box here.

If it is not perfect, can you guess what it means? That it was a sham all along.

What pandora's box??? Muslim is not perfect but Islam is.

It is told by much relish by the Islamic historians. Why is it controversial for you?

It was exaggerated by the Hindus to make a point. He did burn the books but did not cut the neck of every monk there.

People never convert en masse voluntarily to an alien faith system that is so removed from their own.

It was actually convertion en masses in East Bengal. It was recorded that the entire village used to convert at one time at the earlier stages.

The dynamics at play can't be much different to what happened in the contiguous Islamic areas today, all of which lost their own civilization, faith and culture.

To become a pale shadow of their ancient greatness.

Are you inventing things now? We are still Bengali, Egyptian still egyptian and Arab still Arabs and they have their own civilization. Islam played its own role as well.

 

[Vinod2070]

Because there is no ashraf in Bangladesh to begin with. Ashrafs are Qureishi, Mirzas, Mallik etc

But so many of them claim they have anywhere between 0.0000001% to 99.999999% of the Ashraf genes.

 

[kobiraaz]

Its not about "your country".

If 99% (or even 100%) of you don't know something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You can go and read up on this thing. There is plenty of information and you surely have access to the net and a browser and a search engine.



The "final and perfect religion" was supposed to cover for the peoples' imperfections as well.

No?

Then why the 1,20,000 iterations before perfecting the final one if the people had to remain as ignorant as they were all along?



I am talking of the Islamic invaders in general and some of Bangladeshis' heroes like Khilji in particular. I have not read of East Bengal's history separately but I see no reason why it would be any different to what happened everywhere else the natives lost their faith and identity.

no you said in East Bengal Buddhist were peaceful thats why it converted under islamic sword which is lie! Truth is Buddhist were tortured under Sena dynasty. Hindus ruled 400 years after Buddhist pala dynasty!

 

[LaBong]

there are two mallik living in neighborhood, i have a friend SOabraj al Qureishi and there are a lot Mirzas !

But then you are chawdhury not molla and there are syeds everywhere. Personal attack not intended.

 

[Vinod2070]

I told you its a muslim majority country and majority rules. So Ashraf had to give up their pride or whatever for survival.

You are not following the thread?

He claimed that the invaders helped them escape from caste persecution. I said they converts walked straight into Ashraf persecution.

It is not about the present but at the time they were converted.

What pandora's box??? Muslim is not perfect but Islam is.

Answered above. Anyway you are trying to wriggle out now from a Himalayan blunder.

It was exaggerated by the Hindus to make a point. He did burn the books but did not cut the neck of every monk there.

The writer I quoted was a Muslim.

It was actually convertion en masses in East Bengal. It was recorded that the entire village used to convert at one time at the earlier stages.

People do strange things when they are left with no alternative.

Are you inventing things now? We are still Bengali, Egyptian still egyptian and Arab still Arabs and they have their own civilization. Islam played its own role as well.

It is you people who tried to find a new "only Muslim" identity. If Bengali was the primary identity, partition won't be needed and you won't go with distant Punjabis and Pathans in the name of Islam.

 

[LaBong]

no you said in East Bengal Buddhist were peaceful thats why it converted under islamic sword which is lie! Truth is Buddhist were tortured under Sena dynasty. Hindus ruled 400 years after Buddhist pala dynasty!

How do you know Buddhists were tortured? They lost their political clout but definitely not persecuted.

 

[Vinod2070]

no you said in East Bengal Buddhist were peaceful thats why it converted under islamic sword which is lie! Truth is Buddhist were tortured under Sena dynasty. Hindus ruled 400 years after Buddhist pala dynasty!

Buddhists were persecuted and massacred and forcibly converted and their shrines destroyed.

This happened all over Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan....

I don't think Buddhist East Bengal was an exception to this rule.

 

[TopCat]

You are not following the thread?

He claimed that the invaders helped them escape from caste persecution. I said they converts waled straight into Ashraf persecution.

It is not about the present but at the time they were converted.



Answered above. Anyway you are trying to wriggle out now from a Himalayan blunder.



The writer I quoted was a Muslim.



People do strange things when they are left with no alternative.



It is you people who tried to find a new "only Muslim" identity. If Bengali was the primary identity, partition won't be needed and you won't go with distant Punjabis and Pathans in the name of Islam.

You are not in a debate program here dude. History is a well documented thing. Not that you can make things up like Ashraf made Buddhist to convert etc. If somebody is forcefully converted then he/she will convert back the first opportunity he/she gets. I dont want to continue any further with kids.

How do you know Buddhists were tortured? They lost their political clout but definitely not persecuted.

Convergence of Buddhist in the eastern bengal does suggest a pressure from the western side.

 

[kobiraaz]

But then you are chawdhury not molla and there are syeds everywhere. Personal attack not intended.

lol i am chowdhury because my Grandfather's father Abdul Aziz was a tax collector in the region for british Raj! we are mollas because He established a mosque and used to be imam of the mosque

my name is Mollah Farhan Chowdhury. Problem dude?

Buddhists were persecuted and massacred and forcibly converted and their shrines destroyed.

This happened all over Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan....

I don't think Buddhist East Bengal was an exception to this rule.

your thinking doesnt count! any history of killings????

 

[Vinod2070]

You are not in a debate program here dude. History is a well documented thing. Not that you can make things up like Ashraf made Buddhist to convert etc. If somebody is forcefully converted then he/she will convert back the first opportunity he/she gets. I dont want to continue any further with kids.

OK. You think the Spaniard conquistadors forcibly converted the South Americans?

Have they converted back at the first opportunity? Why not?

Now, what if the prize of converting out (apostasy) is death?

And then the strong disincentive (stick) in terms of the ever present fear of eternal hellfire drilled since an early age?

And the carrot of 72 eternal virgins OTOH?

A difficult choice, just a wee bit?

Convergence of Buddhist in the eastern bengal does suggest a pressure from the western side.

And what does the almost complete absence of native religions in all the contiguous Islamic lands from North Africa to Pakistan (almost every country is 95% to 100% Muslim and the native existing religions are almost completely destroyed) suggest to you?

your thinking doesnt count! any history of killings????

I have already said I don't see any reason why it was different from everywhere else.