No cenral asian migration to Bengal and Timur was not a mongol

[rubyjackass]

Timurid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mughal empire was considered a continuation of Timurid dynasty in India. It officially ended in 1857.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...tion-bengal-timur-not-mongol.html#post3056063

The online ebook link in above post has a detailed historical analysis about why Eastern Bengal became majority Muslim region while other places in India did not. The arguments go something like this:

- after take over of Bengal by Mughal's they wanted to develop this region as the bread basket of Hindustan
- so they organized teams for clear cutting of forests and converting jungles into agricultural land
- in these teams, the headman was usually fortune seeking migrant Muslims, while the people below were from local population
- from these clear cutting projects new communities were created and most of local population converted to Islam under the influence of headman
- so the main reason was agrarian expansion which worked as the genesis of new communities, most of which were Muslim
- western part of Bengal was already settled much earlier, so the conversion rate was much smaller

The consequence of the above was that later this part of British India becmae East Pakistan and eventually the sovereign country of Bangladesh. So while Bengal was under Turkic Sultans for about 400 years, it was during Mughal rule that conversion to Islam took a decisive turn because of the above wet rice growing land development project, and made Eastern Bengal a majority Muslim region.

So rather than any great genetic links with Tumurids, it was a cause and effect connection. Eastern Bengal became majority Muslim as a byproduct of Timurid Mughal's rice cultivating land development project, which then gave rise to the sovereign country called Bangladesh.

So this in brief is the Timurid connection of Bangladesh.

Simpler explanation: Islam concentrated near the capitals of the Islamic rulers. And Islamic rulers like any other rulers founded their capitals where resources are more or where it is strategic.
East Bengal had Bengal's only port, Chittagong at that time. Kolkata port was set up by British. I also disagree with the assumption that 'western Bengal got settled earlier'. If you mean eastern Bengal did not get settled earlier, you have to provide evidence. As I mentioned Chittagong was there for centuries before Mughals. Besides Eastern Bengal had fertile delta land and both parts of Bengal had mighty flood causing rivers.

More to the point where does this obsession for Mughals come from?! East Bengal was conquered by Delhi Sultanate much before Mughals set foot in India. It is only logical that, having spent more time under Islamic rule, East Bengal has more muslims.


File:Khilji dynasty 1290 - 1320 ad.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to have some romantic literature about how Mughals did everything. But you are not even being fair to the other great Islamic empire that existed even before Mughals.

If you see the maps of the Muslim empires, then you can clearly see that the current Muslim populations are concentrated near important centres patronised by those Nawabs. Simple reasoning.

Instead you are willing to believe that some foreign headman 'reformed' Bengalis and converted them to Islam.

 

[TopCat]

Simpler explanation: Islam concentrated near the capitals of the Islamic rulers. And Islamic rulers like any other rulers founded their capitals where resources are more or where it is strategic.
East Bengal had Bengal's only port, Chittagong at that time. Kolkata port was set up by British. I also disagree with the assumption that 'western Bengal got settled earlier'. If you mean eastern Bengal did not get settled earlier, you have to provide evidence. As I mentioned Chittagong was there for centuries before Mughals. Besides Eastern Bengal had fertile delta land and both parts of Bengal had mighty flood causing rivers.

More to the point where does this obsession for Mughals come from?! East Bengal was conquered by Delhi Sultanate much before Mughals set foot in India. It is only logical that, having spent more time under Islamic rule, East Bengal has more muslims.

The reason for Bengal becoming a Muslim due to large concentration of Buddhist.

File:Khilji dynasty 1290 - 1320 ad.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to have some romantic literature about how Mughals did everything. But you are not even being fair to the other great Islamic empire that existed even before Mughals.

If you see the maps of the Muslim empires, then you can clearly see that the current Muslim populations are concentrated near important centres patronised by those Nawabs. Simple reasoning.

Instead you are willing to believe that some foreign headman 'reformed' Bengalis and converted them to Islam.

Heard of Bengal Sultanate? Akbar conquered Bengal.

 

[LaBong]

^Actually his Rajput generals did. Anyway good story by Kalu Mia, must have been smoking real cool stuff!

 

[Vinod2070]

The reason for Bengal becoming a Muslim due to large concentration of Buddhist.

True. The peacelike Buddhists were no match to the sword and fire of the barbaric invaders.

Buddism was wiped out by the Islamic invaders from Central Asia, Afghanistan and other lands completely.

 

[Zabaniyah]

True. The peacelike Buddhists were no match to the sword and fire of the barbaric invaders.

Buddism was wiped out by the Islamic invaders from Central Asia, Afghanistan and other lands completely.

It was the Islamic saints who were initially responsible for spreading Islam in Bengal.

 

[Vinod2070]

It was the Islamic saints who were initially responsible for spreading Islam in Bengal.

The complex was built with red bricks and its ruins occupy an area of 14 hectares. At its peak, the university attracted scholars and students from as far away as Tibet, China, Greece, and Persia.[4] Nalanda was ransacked and destroyed by Turkic Muslim invaders under Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1193.[5] The great library of Nalanda University was so vast that it is reported to have burned for three months after the invaders set fire to it, ransacked and destroyed the monasteries, and drove the monks from the site.

In 1193, the Nalanda University was sacked by[11] the fanatic Bakhtiyar Khilji, a Turk;[12] this event is seen by scholars as a late milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India. The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his chronicle the Tabaqat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned alive and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to uproot Buddhism and plant Islam by the sword[13] the burning of the library continued for several months and "smoke from the burning manuscripts hung for days like a dark pall over the low hills

Well yes, Islamic saints.

Absolutely "peaceful and tolerant" these "saints" were!

 

[TopCat]

Well yes, Islamic saints.

Absolutely "peaceful and tolerant" these "saints" were!

Khilji never set foot in Eastern Bengal where the Islam set its root. It was Deba dynasty ruled Eastern Bengal even 100 year after Khilji died.

Average Bengali did not even know the name of Khilji but they know Shah Jalal. Shah Amanat, Khan Jahan Ali etc. They learned Islam from them not Khilji.

 

[Vinod2070]

Despite the utter BS typical of internet jihadis, whats interesting is this half cooked Turkey is saying slaughtering, murdering, raping, looting, holy places destroying uncultured nomadic savages were needed to spread Islam.

Now who is rewriting history of the 'awesome sufis' LOL!!!!!

The rate at which they keep changing their stories to hide their what they obviously find pathetic history - no matter which angle you look at it from, is simply divine.

They keep jumping up and down all over because they have no legs to stand on.

They can't even see their flip flops. Different strokes for different folks has been converted into different facts for different posts.

we always thank the Turkic and Turko-mongol saviors to bring us into the fold of Islam and for saving us from Brahmanic caste-oppression.

Only to land into the Ashraf oppression of you Ajlafs?

Aasman se gira, khajur me atkaa..

Khilji never set foot in Eastern Bengal where the Islam set its root. It was Deba dynasty ruled Eastern Bengal even 100 year after Khilji died.

Average Bengali did not even know the name of Khilji but they know Shah Jalal. Shah Amanat, Khan Jahan Ali etc. They learned Islam from them not Khilji.

I have seen your compatriots celebrating that fil.th Khilji as their hero here many time.

 

[TopCat]

I have seen your compatriots celebrating that fil.th Khilji as their hero here many time.

Some are descendant of Khilji Army. They worship Khilji as well as Islam.

Don't mess with them.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Well yes, Islamic saints.

Absolutely "peaceful and tolerant" these "saints" were!

I'm sorry, but we aren't a people of bigots.

Piece of advise, try to keep your bigotry to yourselves. This part of the world needs no more.

 

[kobiraaz]

True. The peacelike Buddhists were no match to the sword and fire of the barbaric invaders.

Buddism was wiped out by the Islamic invaders from Central Asia, Afghanistan and other lands completely.

lol their was no religious bloodshed in Bengal before british empire! muslim nababs had hindu advisers , hindu Jamindars had Muslim generals.....

 

[Vinod2070]

Some are descendant of Khilji Army. They worship Khilji as well as Islam.

Don't mess with them.

Well, to me Khilji was a fil.th and so a mess.

And is rotting in hell in some very messy surroundings.

lol their was no religious bloodshed in Bengal before british empire! muslim nababs had hindu advisers , hindu Jamindars had Muslim generals.....

This is true. People find a way to live and move on.

 

[kobiraaz]

They keep jumping up and down all over because they have no legs to stand on.

They can't even see their flip flops. Different strokes for different folks has been converted into different facts for different posts.



Only to land into the Ashraf oppression of you Ajlafs?

Aasman se gira, khajur me atkaa..



I have seen your compatriots celebrating that fil.th Khilji as their hero here many time.

Ashraf Atraf? Present Bangladesh doesnt have those... Please dont imagine things......

We accuse arabs of racism, in Britain black muslims accuse Bengali community of gross racism against them. Its all cultural, Islam was born to fight against it..........

Well, to me Khilji was a fil.th and so a mess.

And is rotting in hell in some very messy surroundings.



This is true. People find a way to live and move on.

ok link please of Buddhist massacre in East Bengal by Muslims. i wanna know

 

[Vinod2070]

Ashraf Atraf? Present Bangladesh doesnt have those... Please dont imagine things......

Ashraf-Ajlaf divide is a reality in (undivided) Indian Islam. Even today.

We accuse arabs of racism, in Britain black muslims accuse Bengali community of gross racism against them. Its all cultural, Islam was born to fight against it..........

And not being very successful apparently?

After a thousand years and more of Islam, what is the current state?

Not very "final and perfect", isn't it?

ok link please of Buddhist massacre in East Bengal by Muslims. i wanna know

The destruction of Nalanda university by the barbarians and the massacre there is a good place to start for you.

 

[TopCat]

Ashraf-Ajlaf divide is a reality in (undivided) Indian Islam. Even today.

Undivided India and current India is a Muslim Minority country. Bangladesh is not. The psycho of Muslim here are totally different.

And not being very successful apparently?

After a thousand years and more of Islam, what is the current state?

Not very "final and perfect", isn't it?

Not perfect yet better.

The destruction of Nalanda university by the barbarians and the massacre there is a good place to start for you.

Its a controversial story and far away from Eastern Bengal where actually people got converted.