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Next Indian Army Chief Dalbir Singh is Head of killers and robbers : Retd. Gen. V K Singh
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Next in line was Lt Gen Ashok Singh, son in law of Gen V K Singh. This is what the fuss is all about!
Allleee? Teleko Maaloom nahi?
We are appointing Terrorists to deal with Terrorists.
Ab kal ko kuchh hua to humko mat bolna.
Jo teleko maloom hai na ... hum bhi khabal lakhtaa hai.
Phil kisi ajmal qassai nay dalaya tu phir roona nahin ...
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We know only reality news wrt to PA or ISI is banned in PAK, you banned one TV channel we heard . India do not banned news like you. But we also enjoy comedy new like PAK TV says ... Indian bullets , Medicine etc.
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How the controversy over Dalbir Singh unfolded
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times New Delhi, June 11, 2014
Defence minister Arun Jaitley told Parliament on Wednesday that the appointment of Lt Gen Dalbir Singh as the next army chief was final, seeking to cap a controversy over the move that has been criticised by former army chief-turned-minister VK Singh.
The controversy comes in the wake of an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court by the ministry of defence (MoD), which was critical of VK Singh for taking "illegal and premeditated" decisions.
The affidavit was filed by the MoD in response to a petition filed by Lt Gen Ravi Dastane, who is seeking the apex court's intervention to stay the appointment of Lt Gen Singh as the next army chief.
Lt Gen Dastane lost the case in the Armed Forces Tribunal (AFT) and had approached the SC with his appeal in which he claimed he was eligible to be promoted as an army commander since Lt Gen Singh was under a promotion ban imposed by Gen Singh.
If the court accepts Lt Gen Dastane's argument, then he could be eligible to be the army chief as well.
Gen Singh, who has been opposed to Lt Gen Singh's appointment as the next army chief, took to Twitter to publicly air his opposition on Tuesday night.
"MoD affidavit same as it gave to AFT (Armed Force Tribunal) under protective and conniving UPA, what is new folks?" he tweeted.
Vijay Kumar Singh ✔ @Gen_VKSingh
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MOD affidavit same as it gave to AFT under protective and conniving UPA, so what is new folks?
12:48 AM - 11 Jun 2014
The tweet was a direct and public attack on the NDA government and immediately sent alarm bells ringing in the top echelons of senior leadership.
Sources familiar with the issue told HT that Prime Minister Narendra Modi was upset when he was informed about the tweets by Gen Singh.
While defence minister Jaitley had asked for an explanation by Tuesday evening, the PM had not expressed his views on the matter until Gen Singh sent out his tweets.
It is understood that Modi had a word with Jaitley and a decision was taken to reiterate the government's support for Lt Gen Singh's appointment immediately after that.
"The defence minister has also agreed that the government cannot revise its position from the stand taken in the AFT. The government's defence of Lt Gen Singh rests upon the argument that Gen Singh's actions were illegal and premeditated," the source told HT.
The government is also upset with Gen Singh using twitter to publicly cast aspersions on Lt Gen Singh. He alleged on twitter that Lt Gen Singh had tried to "protect criminals" as the "head of the organisation".
Vijay Kumar Singh ✔ @Gen_VKSingh
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If unit kills innocents,does dacoity and then head of organization tries to protect them, should he not be blamed?Criminals should go free!!
12:55 AM - 11 Jun 2014
Gen Singh was referring to Lt Gen Singh's tenure as the commander of the Dimapur-based 3 Corps. In December 2011, the Corps Intelligence and Surveillance Unit (CISU) under Lt Gen Singh had conducted a "raid" on a Jorhat-based businessman alleged to be a ULFA leader as well.
However, the CISU was out of the jurisdiction of 3 Corps and had allegedly stolen some gold and mobile phones and the whole raid was "cooked up" for material gains.
Gen Singh's tweets also reflected his unhappiness with his cabinet colleague Jaitley, who is in charge of the defence ministry for the time being.
Sources close to Gen Singh claimed to HT that Jaitley was aware of the affidavit but did nothing to stop it.
"Gen Singh feels that the same people who nixed his age-row issue in the earlier government continue to influence the policies of the new government," a source close to Gen Singh told HT.
However, Gen Singh seems to be isolated in the government with PM Modi and Jaitley in agreement that the appointment of the next army chief could not be subjected to a "needless and settled" controversy.
Earlier, senior defence ministry officials had debated the affidavit before it was filed in the SC.
"It was decided not to reply to Lt Gen Dastane's petition till the new army chief took over," a senior defence ministry official told HT.
"But a decision was taken to file the affidavit and the basic arguments placed before the AFT was not changed. This had the ministry's approval," the source said. However, the affidavit has created a situation in which the government is now seen severely reprimanding one of its ministers in public.
Genesis of the controversy
Nearly three years ago, Gen Singh had ordered an inquiry into the incident, which was carried out by the then Eastern Army Commander Lt Gen Bikram Singh. The inquiry by Lt Gen Bikram Singh led to a censure for members of the CISU, including its commanding officer, Col Srikumar.
However Gen Singh did not accept the recommendations of the inquiry and also asked that Lt Gen Singh's role should also be investigated since the CISU reported to him.
The move was intriguing, as Lt Gen Singh had already been identified as a future army chief and was next in line after Lt Gen Bikram Singh's tenure ending July 31, 2014.
With days left to go for his retirement, Gen Singh issued a show-cause notice to Lt Gen Singh and placed his promotion under a discipline-vigilance (DV) ban.
This sparked off a controversy in 2012 and was viewed as a clear move by Gen Singh to nix Lt Gen Singh's chances of becoming the army chief two years later.
What was not known then was the fact that if Lt Gen Singh was not appointed, then a relative of Gen Singh would be in line to be the army chief.
Meanwhile, another Corps Commander, Lt Gen Ravi Dastane, who was commanding the Leh-based 14 Corps, also wrote to army headquarters pointing out that if Lt Gen Singh was under a DV ban, then he was eligible for being considered as an army commander.
"As per rules, the army chief is supposed to send two names for each post. But Gen Singh only sent two names instead of the required four for the posts of Eastern and Western Army Commands," a defence ministry source confirmed to HT. The two names were that of Lt Gen Singh and Lt Gen Sanjiv Chahchra.
When Lt Gen Dastane's letters and statutory complaints were not addressed he approached the Armed Forces Tribunal so that he could be considered as an army commander.
If he was selected, he would be eligible to be the army chief instead of Lt Gen Singh. But Lt Gen Dastane lost the case in the Tribunal and approached the Supreme Court.
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times New Delhi, June 11, 2014
Defence minister Arun Jaitley told Parliament on Wednesday that the appointment of Lt Gen Dalbir Singh as the next army chief was final, seeking to cap a controversy over the move that has been criticised by former army chief-turned-minister VK Singh.
The controversy comes in the wake of an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court by the ministry of defence (MoD), which was critical of VK Singh for taking "illegal and premeditated" decisions.
The affidavit was filed by the MoD in response to a petition filed by Lt Gen Ravi Dastane, who is seeking the apex court's intervention to stay the appointment of Lt Gen Singh as the next army chief.
Lt Gen Dastane lost the case in the Armed Forces Tribunal (AFT) and had approached the SC with his appeal in which he claimed he was eligible to be promoted as an army commander since Lt Gen Singh was under a promotion ban imposed by Gen Singh.
If the court accepts Lt Gen Dastane's argument, then he could be eligible to be the army chief as well.
Gen Singh, who has been opposed to Lt Gen Singh's appointment as the next army chief, took to Twitter to publicly air his opposition on Tuesday night.
"MoD affidavit same as it gave to AFT (Armed Force Tribunal) under protective and conniving UPA, what is new folks?" he tweeted.
Vijay Kumar Singh ✔ @Gen_VKSinghFollow
MOD affidavit same as it gave to AFT under protective and conniving UPA, so what is new folks?
12:48 AM - 11 Jun 2014
The tweet was a direct and public attack on the NDA government and immediately sent alarm bells ringing in the top echelons of senior leadership.
Sources familiar with the issue told HT that Prime Minister Narendra Modi was upset when he was informed about the tweets by Gen Singh.
While defence minister Jaitley had asked for an explanation by Tuesday evening, the PM had not expressed his views on the matter until Gen Singh sent out his tweets.
It is understood that Modi had a word with Jaitley and a decision was taken to reiterate the government's support for Lt Gen Singh's appointment immediately after that.
"The defence minister has also agreed that the government cannot revise its position from the stand taken in the AFT. The government's defence of Lt Gen Singh rests upon the argument that Gen Singh's actions were illegal and premeditated," the source told HT.
The government is also upset with Gen Singh using twitter to publicly cast aspersions on Lt Gen Singh. He alleged on twitter that Lt Gen Singh had tried to "protect criminals" as the "head of the organisation".
Vijay Kumar Singh ✔ @Gen_VKSinghFollow
If unit kills innocents,does dacoity and then head of organization tries to protect them, should he not be blamed?Criminals should go free!!
12:55 AM - 11 Jun 2014
Gen Singh was referring to Lt Gen Singh's tenure as the commander of the Dimapur-based 3 Corps. In December 2011, the Corps Intelligence and Surveillance Unit (CISU) under Lt Gen Singh had conducted a "raid" on a Jorhat-based businessman alleged to be a ULFA leader as well.
However, the CISU was out of the jurisdiction of 3 Corps and had allegedly stolen some gold and mobile phones and the whole raid was "cooked up" for material gains.
Gen Singh's tweets also reflected his unhappiness with his cabinet colleague Jaitley, who is in charge of the defence ministry for the time being.
Sources close to Gen Singh claimed to HT that Jaitley was aware of the affidavit but did nothing to stop it.
"Gen Singh feels that the same people who nixed his age-row issue in the earlier government continue to influence the policies of the new government," a source close to Gen Singh told HT.
However, Gen Singh seems to be isolated in the government with PM Modi and Jaitley in agreement that the appointment of the next army chief could not be subjected to a "needless and settled" controversy.
Earlier, senior defence ministry officials had debated the affidavit before it was filed in the SC.
"It was decided not to reply to Lt Gen Dastane's petition till the new army chief took over," a senior defence ministry official told HT.
"But a decision was taken to file the affidavit and the basic arguments placed before the AFT was not changed. This had the ministry's approval," the source said. However, the affidavit has created a situation in which the government is now seen severely reprimanding one of its ministers in public.
Genesis of the controversy
Nearly three years ago, Gen Singh had ordered an inquiry into the incident, which was carried out by the then Eastern Army Commander Lt Gen Bikram Singh. The inquiry by Lt Gen Bikram Singh led to a censure for members of the CISU, including its commanding officer, Col Srikumar.
However Gen Singh did not accept the recommendations of the inquiry and also asked that Lt Gen Singh's role should also be investigated since the CISU reported to him.
The move was intriguing, as Lt Gen Singh had already been identified as a future army chief and was next in line after Lt Gen Bikram Singh's tenure ending July 31, 2014.
With days left to go for his retirement, Gen Singh issued a show-cause notice to Lt Gen Singh and placed his promotion under a discipline-vigilance (DV) ban.
This sparked off a controversy in 2012 and was viewed as a clear move by Gen Singh to nix Lt Gen Singh's chances of becoming the army chief two years later.
What was not known then was the fact that if Lt Gen Singh was not appointed, then a relative of Gen Singh would be in line to be the army chief.
Meanwhile, another Corps Commander, Lt Gen Ravi Dastane, who was commanding the Leh-based 14 Corps, also wrote to army headquarters pointing out that if Lt Gen Singh was under a DV ban, then he was eligible for being considered as an army commander.
"As per rules, the army chief is supposed to send two names for each post. But Gen Singh only sent two names instead of the required four for the posts of Eastern and Western Army Commands," a defence ministry source confirmed to HT. The two names were that of Lt Gen Singh and Lt Gen Sanjiv Chahchra.
When Lt Gen Dastane's letters and statutory complaints were not addressed he approached the Armed Forces Tribunal so that he could be considered as an army commander.
If he was selected, he would be eligible to be the army chief instead of Lt Gen Singh. But Lt Gen Dastane lost the case in the Tribunal and approached the Supreme Court.
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Nahi dalenge. Uski khaal udhedke faasi par chadha denge. By da way happy to see u proud of innocent killing Terrorists. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.Jo teleko maloom hai na ... hum bhi khabal lakhtaa hai.
Phil kisi ajmal qassai nay dalaya tu phir roona nahin ...
Aur haan. Next tym do call us for Kasab ki SHAHADAT KI NAMAAZ.
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Another 3rd rates news by PAK channel like Karachi involvement of Indian medicine , bullets and Guns. When these guys grow and start showing real news instead of comedy show news......Watch Next Indian Army Chief Dalbir Singh is Head of killers and robbers, He killed thousands of innocent kashmiris : Retd. Gen. V K Singh
Only country in the world where terrorists murderers become PM and Chief of the Army Staffgood Luck India
We dont care your opinion.For us he is a patriot . pure blooded patriot Indian.
I know your problem.Before he become the PM your guys spew shit against him in different threads.So when he become PM of Republic of India you cant digest.
You know tough times is coming for anti-India peoples.
About Gen VK Singh .These same General killed a lot of Pakistanis and others during his service in Indian Army.And that is what they paid for.
So this type of
is a comedy to us.
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I'm amazed how the faking news Pakistani media converted a inter-personnel rivalry and tussle between 2 Indian army general based on an event in NE India into a big controversial news in a completely different area..
Gen. VK singh accused gen. Suhag of protecting an army unit under him for committing robbery and dacoity in some place in NE India. The faking news Pakistani media converts this into Gen. VK singh accussing Gen. Suhag of killing 1000's in Kashmir.
I wonder what kind of journalistic integrity and credibility does the Pakistani media possess..
Gen. VK singh accused gen. Suhag of protecting an army unit under him for committing robbery and dacoity in some place in NE India. The faking news Pakistani media converts this into Gen. VK singh accussing Gen. Suhag of killing 1000's in Kashmir.
I wonder what kind of journalistic integrity and credibility does the Pakistani media possess..
Wrong .He is not an accidental Prime Minister .He ascended to this place after he spent good 12 years as the CM of Gujarat.
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Ajmal Qassai was an indian puppet, everyone knows - Samjhoota express done by you indian terrorists and your army was also involved by providing RDX to terrorists. You still seems to be in denial mode.
You do send your terrors providing all money, ammo and training.
OBL was dead since long, only drama was played to put final nail on the coffin.
Dawood ko agar tu nay deekh hi liya hai tu moodi sarkaar say kaho aa kaar laay jaaye.
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yeah ban BigB @HyperionOh...why would you
Hyperion..what is wrong with these ppl?
Throwing hatered towards each other...frustration... what is the orientation of this forum...where the hell we are heading man!
...it will be fun to watch him pink!
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How are you little angel? 
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This is not the first time that Pakistani media has faked news to slander Indian military. They have been doing it for quite a while and are past-masters in it.
Pakistani media publish fake WikiLeaks cables attacking India
Comments alleged to be from WikiLeaks US embassy cables say Indian generals are genocidal and New Delhi backs militants
They read like the most extraordinary revelations. Citing the WikiLeakscables, major Pakistani newspapers this morning carried stories that purported to detail eye-popping American assessments of India's military and civilian leaders.
According to the reports, US diplomats described senior Indian generals as vain, egotistical and genocidal; they said India's government is secretly allied with Hindu fundamentalists; and they claimed Indian spies are covertly supporting Islamist militants in Pakistan's tribal belt and Balochistan.
"Enough evidence of Indian involvement in Waziristan, Balochistan," read the front-page story in the News; an almost identical story appeared in the Urdu-language Jang, Pakistan's bestselling daily.
If accurate, the disclosures would confirm the worst fears of Pakistani nationalist hawks and threaten relations between Washington and New Delhi. But they are not accurate.
An extensive search of the WikiLeaks database by the Guardian by date, name and keyword failed to locate any of the incendiary allegations. It suggests this is the first case of WikiLeaks being exploited for propaganda purposes.
The controversial claims, published in four Pakistani national papers, were credited to the Online Agency, an Islamabad-based news service that has frequently run pro-army stories in the past. No journalist is bylined.
Shaheen Sehbai, group editor at the News, described the story as "agencies' copy" and said he would investigate its origins.
The incident fits in with the wider Pakistani reaction to WikiLeaks since the first cables emerged.
In the west, reports have focused on US worries for the safety of Pakistan's nuclear stockpile, or the army's support for Islamist militants such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group blamed for the Mumbai attack.
But Pakistan's media has given a wide berth to stories casting the military in a negative light, focusing instead on the foibles of the country's notoriously weak politicians.
Editors have pushed stories that focus on president Asif Ali Zardari's preoccupation with his death, prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani's secret support for CIA drone strikes and tales of a bearded religious firebrand cosying up to the US ambassador.
Among ordinary citizens, the coverage has hardened perceptions that Pakistani leaders are in thrall to American power.
Pakistan has become "the world's biggest banana republic", wrote retired diplomat Asif Ezdi last week.
Military and political leaders, portrayed as dangerously divided in the cables, have banded together to downplay the assessment.
"Don't trust WikiLeaks," Gilani told reporters in Kabul last weekend. Beside him president Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, also tarred in the dispatches, nodded solemnly.
On Saturday the army, having stayed silent all week, denied claims that army chief General Ashfaq Kayani "distrusted" the opposition leader Nawaz Sharif. Kayani "holds all political leaders in esteem", a spokesman said.
Meanwhile conspiracy theorists, including some journalists, insist Washington secretly leaked the cables in an effort to discredit the Muslim world; the Saudi ambassador described them as propaganda.
But senior judges favour their publication. Dismissing an attempt to block WikiLeaks last week, justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed said the cables "may cause trouble for some personalities" but would be "good for the progress of the nation in the long run".
The lopsided media coverage highlights the strong influence of Pakistan's army over an otherwise vigorous free press.
This morning's stories disparaging Indian generals – one is said to be "rather a geek", another to be responsible for "genocide" and compared to Slobodan Milosevic – is counterbalanced by accounts of gushing American praise for Pakistan's top generals.
The actual WikiLeaks cables carry a more nuanced portraits of a close, if often uneasy, relationship between the US and Pakistan's military.
But the real cables do contain allegations of Indian support for Baloch separatists, largely sourced to British intelligence assessments.
Pakistan's press is generally cautious in reporting about its own army. But some internet commentators said the latest WikiLeaks story was a bridge too far.
Noting that the story was bylined to "agencies" – a term that in Pakistan means both a news agency and a spy outfit – the blogger Cafe Pyala asked: "How stupid do the 'Agencies' really think Pakistanis are?"
Pakistani media publish fake WikiLeaks cables attacking India
Comments alleged to be from WikiLeaks US embassy cables say Indian generals are genocidal and New Delhi backs militants
They read like the most extraordinary revelations. Citing the WikiLeakscables, major Pakistani newspapers this morning carried stories that purported to detail eye-popping American assessments of India's military and civilian leaders.
According to the reports, US diplomats described senior Indian generals as vain, egotistical and genocidal; they said India's government is secretly allied with Hindu fundamentalists; and they claimed Indian spies are covertly supporting Islamist militants in Pakistan's tribal belt and Balochistan.
"Enough evidence of Indian involvement in Waziristan, Balochistan," read the front-page story in the News; an almost identical story appeared in the Urdu-language Jang, Pakistan's bestselling daily.
If accurate, the disclosures would confirm the worst fears of Pakistani nationalist hawks and threaten relations between Washington and New Delhi. But they are not accurate.
An extensive search of the WikiLeaks database by the Guardian by date, name and keyword failed to locate any of the incendiary allegations. It suggests this is the first case of WikiLeaks being exploited for propaganda purposes.
The controversial claims, published in four Pakistani national papers, were credited to the Online Agency, an Islamabad-based news service that has frequently run pro-army stories in the past. No journalist is bylined.
Shaheen Sehbai, group editor at the News, described the story as "agencies' copy" and said he would investigate its origins.
The incident fits in with the wider Pakistani reaction to WikiLeaks since the first cables emerged.
In the west, reports have focused on US worries for the safety of Pakistan's nuclear stockpile, or the army's support for Islamist militants such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group blamed for the Mumbai attack.
But Pakistan's media has given a wide berth to stories casting the military in a negative light, focusing instead on the foibles of the country's notoriously weak politicians.
Editors have pushed stories that focus on president Asif Ali Zardari's preoccupation with his death, prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani's secret support for CIA drone strikes and tales of a bearded religious firebrand cosying up to the US ambassador.
Among ordinary citizens, the coverage has hardened perceptions that Pakistani leaders are in thrall to American power.
Pakistan has become "the world's biggest banana republic", wrote retired diplomat Asif Ezdi last week.
Military and political leaders, portrayed as dangerously divided in the cables, have banded together to downplay the assessment.
"Don't trust WikiLeaks," Gilani told reporters in Kabul last weekend. Beside him president Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, also tarred in the dispatches, nodded solemnly.
On Saturday the army, having stayed silent all week, denied claims that army chief General Ashfaq Kayani "distrusted" the opposition leader Nawaz Sharif. Kayani "holds all political leaders in esteem", a spokesman said.
Meanwhile conspiracy theorists, including some journalists, insist Washington secretly leaked the cables in an effort to discredit the Muslim world; the Saudi ambassador described them as propaganda.
But senior judges favour their publication. Dismissing an attempt to block WikiLeaks last week, justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed said the cables "may cause trouble for some personalities" but would be "good for the progress of the nation in the long run".
The lopsided media coverage highlights the strong influence of Pakistan's army over an otherwise vigorous free press.
This morning's stories disparaging Indian generals – one is said to be "rather a geek", another to be responsible for "genocide" and compared to Slobodan Milosevic – is counterbalanced by accounts of gushing American praise for Pakistan's top generals.
The actual WikiLeaks cables carry a more nuanced portraits of a close, if often uneasy, relationship between the US and Pakistan's military.
But the real cables do contain allegations of Indian support for Baloch separatists, largely sourced to British intelligence assessments.
Pakistan's press is generally cautious in reporting about its own army. But some internet commentators said the latest WikiLeaks story was a bridge too far.
Noting that the story was bylined to "agencies" – a term that in Pakistan means both a news agency and a spy outfit – the blogger Cafe Pyala asked: "How stupid do the 'Agencies' really think Pakistanis are?"
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