Next-Gen Chinese AAM for JF-17 Block III

[Blue Marlin]

No sir this is not PL-15 but unamed PL-X

any proof?
my idea is based on logic not fantacy

The SD-10 is a good missile and where the JF-17 is concerned its a pretty potent combination due to the fairly small RCS, networked sensors and very good GCI and pilot SA over the eastern front in most aspects today.
The requirement is for a more effective WVR missile but that is secondary to the need for a helmet mounted cueing system because the missiles are readily available from other sources but the HMDS is not with the capable type the PAF wants; the good old R-73 type monocle system has been tried with the F-7PGs who have used it in exercises, but the PAF prefers a whole on solution like the JHCMS(now that they have tasted it).
However, with the systems available there have to be compatibility issues; so the Darter is available today if needed but the helmet to go with it involves Israel and the PAF has worked hard to keep any past Israeli sourcing in the dark and now with the Indo-Israeli beach romance it is not easy.
That leaves European sams for which diplomatic concerns are an issue as every Indian diplomat & military attache has specific instructions in their countries to relay even the most basic of inquiries by Pakistanis to their offices and for that matter the Indian diplomats are much much smarter and efficient as compared to the fat check hoarding dumbarses from Pakistan.

So without a cueing system available to fully utilize high off boresight missiles, there is no point in inducting any.

that about the topowls helmets which will be on the ah-1z? dont you think they will be an option? or even the bae striker 2?
what helmets does the current pakistani f16's have?

as for israel their relationship with india is purly business, bibi even said it himself when he went on a tanget with some eu leaders. as long as if they help develop on via chinese input and base(so it would be a chinese helmet to avoid angering the indians) things can happen. also what about south Africa there were the first to develop this sort of stuff in the first place, do they have anything?

 

[Ultima Thule]

J-10 B with PL-15

No sir i think its PL-X not PL-15

any proof?
my idea is based on logic not fantacy

look at yourself sir
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/missiles-iii.html

Hi I think basically pl15 can be considered as a awacs and tanker killer as to detect stealth is little bit arduous any enlightened input from you will be appreciated
Thx

No upcoming PL-X will be AWACS killer missile
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/missiles-iii.html

 

[Blue Marlin]

No sir i think its PL-X not PL-15


look at yourself sir
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/missiles-iii.html

you do know thats a blog right? i can word press one my self and name the missile the:
"big long pointy boom boom rocket"
hope that delivers the intended message

 

[Ultima Thule]

is the block 3 going to have a diamond nose con

No one knows

you do know thats a blog right? i can word press one my self and name the missile the:
"big long pointy boom boom rocket"
hope that delivers the intended message

But their is a separate thread on PDF on PL-X and in the opening articles stated that PL-15 has a reduced wingspans for internal carrige of 5th gen jet, whereas your pics shows folded wing surfaces that clearly a PL-X

 

[ghazi768]

going back to arm dont you think a cruise missile based arm would be suited as its less risky, longer ranged and less likely of being detected?

I do not think so, ARMs are used in SEAD/DEAD where aim is to neutralise radars with mobile SAM batteries which can shoot and scoot. Having a fast missile is useful in this case with pop-up and shoot tactics with same (usually another) aircraft doing the detection job. Range of anything above 60-70 km is fine for such operations.

Fixed installations at longer range are more ideal for terrain hugging cruise missiles.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I do not think so, ARMs are used in SEAD/DEAD where aim is to neutralise radars with mobile SAM batteries which can shoot and scoot. Having a fast missile is useful in this case with pop-up and shoot tactics with same (usually another) aircraft doing the detection job. Range of anything above 60-70 km is fine for such operations.

Fixed installations at longer range are more ideal for terrain hugging cruise missiles.

i was thinking more in terms of dealing with fixed installation like the s300/s400. the sypder and the qr sam would need to be dealt with fast moving missiles such as the ld-10 (below)

also since there mobile they wont have the same protection as they ned to be small and mobile whilst fixed installations would have the morfey/tor to protect it. pakistan would suffer the same problem with the fm-90.

 

[帅的一匹]

PL15 BVRAAM with 200KM range and PL10 AAM.

With KLJ7A AESA and dual pulses solid rocket PL15 BVRAAM. JF17 BLK3 can shoot down any IAF fighter in BVR easily.

The max range of Russian R27 of IAF is only 110 KM.

JF17 Blk3 has much smaller RCS of Su30 MKI. Can target on Su30 MKI and fire PL15 before found.

 

[MastanKhan]

Can Pl-10 and Pl-15 be integrated in JFT block II aircrafts? I mean why we are waiting for the block III for integration of all important weapons.

Hi,

Because the weapons for the BLK2 have yet to be fully integrated so far---.

Boy this missile will have a scary level of reach and what's more, it's Made in China. PAF will make sure they have it - you can bet on it.

Meanwhile, how long before (?)...

Maybe 5 years---.

 

[khanasifm]

View attachment 413563
PL15 BVRAAM with 200KM range and PL10 AAM.

With KLJ7A AESA and dual pulses solid rocket PL15 BVRAAM. JF17 BLK3 can shoot down any IAF fighter in BVR easily.

The max range of Russian R27 of IAF is only 110 KM.

JF17 Blk3 has much smaller RCS of Su30 MKI. Can target on Su30 MKI and fire PL15 before found.

No where range of pl15 has been disclosed where are you getting this info????

 

[帅的一匹]

No where range of pl15 has been disclosed where are you getting this info????

It's an open secret on CDF and CJDBY.

 

[CriticalThought]

Hi,

Because the weapons for the BLK2 have yet to be fully integrated so far---.

What is your source for this information? The Thunder has all weapons it needs and more are being integrated continuously. @Oscar

 

[MastanKhan]

It's an open secret on CDF and CJDBY.

Hi,

Thank you. The range has been disclosed over a year ago for this missile---or maybe two years ago---and I had written about it at that time---.

Senior posters should dig deeper before asking simple question---.

 

[SQ8]

What is your source for this information? The Thunder has all weapons it needs and more are being integrated continuously. @Oscar

Not every operational unit has everything in place

any proof?
my idea is based on logic not fantacy


that about the topowls helmets which will be on the ah-1z? dont you think they will be an option? or even the bae striker 2?
what helmets does the current pakistani f16's have?

as for israel their relationship with india is purly business, bibi even said it himself when he went on a tanget with some eu leaders. as long as if they help develop on via chinese input and base(so it would be a chinese helmet to avoid angering the indians) things can happen. also what about south Africa there were the first to develop this sort of stuff in the first place, do they have anything?

Apples to oranges the topowl or other helicopter helmets to aircraft systems
The french are currently out of our list

 

[YeBeWarned]

View attachment 413563
PL15 BVRAAM with 200KM range and PL10 AAM.

With KLJ7A AESA and dual pulses solid rocket PL15 BVRAAM. JF17 BLK3 can shoot down any IAF fighter in BVR easily.

The max range of Russian R27 of IAF is only 110 KM.

JF17 Blk3 has much smaller RCS of Su30 MKI. Can target on Su30 MKI and fire PL15 before found.

God Damn, 200KM range of missile ..
PAF can remain way within their SAM cover and still can Engage any IAF fighter from a safe distance.. I wonder how good is this missile is from Jamming or Decoys ?

 

[Sameer25]

View attachment 413563
PL15 BVRAAM with 200KM range and PL10 AAM.

With KLJ7A AESA and dual pulses solid rocket PL15 BVRAAM. JF17 BLK3 can shoot down any IAF fighter in BVR easily.

The max range of Russian R27 of IAF is only 110 KM.

JF17 Blk3 has much smaller RCS of Su30 MKI. Can target on Su30 MKI and fire PL15 before found.

Now India cant brag About Their Superior MKI