News for Mirage-2000 upgrade

[TOPGUN]

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[King Julien]

LiveFist: More Stuff on the IAF Mirage-2000 Upgrade

 

[Gabbar]

India’s Fighter Upgrades: Mirage 2000s Next?

In an effort to offset the growing number of combat aircraft retirements due to age, India is engaged in a round of fighter fleet upgrades. In December 2006, India Defence reported that the Indian Air Force was “close to finalizing” a EUR 1.5 billion (about $2 billion) deal to upgrade its fleet of 51 Mirage-2000 ‘Vajra’ fighter jets.

The aim is to give the aircraft, inaugurated into IAF service in 1985-1988, another 20-25 years of service life. Of course, “close” means something very different in Indian defense circles than it does in other countries. Almost 2 years later, the deal remains “close”. There are reports that Prime Minister Singh’s Paris visit will see a deal signed, even as Indian troops led France’s Bastille Day parade….


MICA: Radar or IR
(click to view full)Word is that the upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for off-bore-sight heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.

MBDA will probably be unamused by India Defence’s December 2006 description of its wares as “an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile.” As DID’s AMRAAM coverage noted, while the MICA’s radar-guided version has mediocre range, it also has a heat-seeking IR version that offers a potent medium range ‘no warning’ targeting option. MICA would replace India’s existing radar-guided Super 350 MRAAM and Magic-II short-range infared missiles, offering better performance and range.

Work on the upgrades would be performed by a French-Indian consortium including Dassault (aircraft manufacturer), Thales (weapons systems integrator), MBDA (missiles) and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

 

[peace123]

for 40-45 mil we can have 2 1/2 jf-17
hahaha

 

[wangrong]

for 40-45 mil we can have 2 1/2 jf-17
hahaha

40-45 mil you can have 1 J10

Congratulation

 

[hj786]

for 40-45 mil we can have 2 1/2 jf-17
hahaha

How about two JF-17 upgraded with French radar, EW suite and MICA?

http://www.ideaspakistan.gov.pk/ideas2008/downloads/IDEAS2008_EventBulletin_2.pdf

Fabrizio Giuliannini, Executive Group Director Sales and Business Development and Managing Director of MBDA:
Here in Pakistan, besides the initial supply of the SPADA system, we are following the development of the JF-17 Thunder especially with respect to its missile armaments. We understand there is a big interest in the MICA missile, both the RF and IR versions, from the Pakistan Air Force. The MICA system we are proposing is within a technology package that includes integration with western equipments such as radar and EW suite.

 

[Rin]

F-16s are much better than Mirage-2000

 

[Storm Force]

After 2 years of price negotiations with Dassult IT LOOKS like the IAF have finally pulled the plug on the UPGRADE programme for their 51 mirage 2000H fighters with france.

Here is the an article

India may go beyond the purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

...
The reason is a breakdown in India’s long negotiations with Dassault Aviation, the French aircraft manufacturer, for upgrading 51 Indian Air Force Mirage-2000 fighters. According to senior IAF sources, Dassault has refused to reduce its quota of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) for extending the service life of the IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet by fitting new radars and avionics. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers this price — Rs 196 crore ($41 million) per aircraft — unacceptably high, given that the airframes and engines will not be changed.

In comparison, each of the 126 brand-new, next-generation MMRCAs will cost some Rs 400 crore ($87 million) per aircraft. That includes the cost of technology transfers, as well as capital costs for setting up a manufacturing line in India. Once those costs are amortised, additional MMRCAs would be significantly cheaper.

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But, the MoD is veering around to the view that the Mirage-2000 fleet should continue service in its current form. After six squadrons (126 aircraft) of MMRCAs have entered IAF service, an additional two squadrons of MMRCAs would be built to replace the 51 Mirage-2000 fighters. That amounts to a 40 per cent rise in the MMRCA’s numbers.

Israeli aerospace companies have reportedly entered the fray, offering to upgrade the Mirage-2000 for half the price being quoted by Dassault. The MoD, however, is not inclined to accept that offer.

Price negotiations for the Mirage-2000 upgrade have travelled a rocky road over two years. Initially, Dassault quoted Rs 13,500 crore ($2.9 billion), which it brought down to the current level of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) after the IAF diluted its upgrade requirements. But the MoD believes Dassault’s reduced bid only reflects the diluted requirements, rather than any flexibility on the latter’s part.

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Five of the six contenders for the MMRCA contract — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Gripen and RAC MiG — know they could reap handsome gains, through larger fighter orders, if India chooses not to upgrade the Mirage-2000. The sixth contender, Dassault Aviation itself, realises failure to negotiate the Mirage-2000 upgrade contract could seriously damage the chances of its Rafale fighter for the MMRCA contract.

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[Storm Force]

I think this may be the reason we have been hearing news of another 50 su30mki order being made soon.

$40m each to upgrade a 20 year old mirage 2000 is outraegous wen you can get a brand new tvc su30mki for $45m each.

Believe me guys don,t go to french for Thunder upgrades to engine/radar etc they will want your arm leg and head $$$$$ and triple the price of the Thunder from $15m to
$45m each

 

[notorious_eagle]

$41 million per aircraft, are the French stupid? No wonder they dont have many operators of their equipment, if they screw their clients off like this than nobody will buy from them. I wouldnt be surprised if the Indians rule out Rafale of the MRCA. The French should take lessons from Americans when it comes to Marketing and Customer Relations.

 

[rajeev]

After 2 years of price negotiations with Dassult IT LOOKS like the IAF have finally pulled the plug on the UPGRADE programme for their 51 mirage 2000H fighters with france.

Here is the an article

India may go beyond the purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.

...
The reason is a breakdown in India’s long negotiations with Dassault Aviation, the French aircraft manufacturer, for upgrading 51 Indian Air Force Mirage-2000 fighters. According to senior IAF sources, Dassault has refused to reduce its quota of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) for extending the service life of the IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet by fitting new radars and avionics. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers this price — Rs 196 crore ($41 million) per aircraft — unacceptably high, given that the airframes and engines will not be changed.

In comparison, each of the 126 brand-new, next-generation MMRCAs will cost some Rs 400 crore ($87 million) per aircraft. That includes the cost of technology transfers, as well as capital costs for setting up a manufacturing line in India. Once those costs are amortised, additional MMRCAs would be significantly cheaper.

...

But, the MoD is veering around to the view that the Mirage-2000 fleet should continue service in its current form. After six squadrons (126 aircraft) of MMRCAs have entered IAF service, an additional two squadrons of MMRCAs would be built to replace the 51 Mirage-2000 fighters. That amounts to a 40 per cent rise in the MMRCA’s numbers.

Israeli aerospace companies have reportedly entered the fray, offering to upgrade the Mirage-2000 for half the price being quoted by Dassault. The MoD, however, is not inclined to accept that offer.

Price negotiations for the Mirage-2000 upgrade have travelled a rocky road over two years. Initially, Dassault quoted Rs 13,500 crore ($2.9 billion), which it brought down to the current level of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) after the IAF diluted its upgrade requirements. But the MoD believes Dassault’s reduced bid only reflects the diluted requirements, rather than any flexibility on the latter’s part.

...

Five of the six contenders for the MMRCA contract — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Gripen and RAC MiG — know they could reap handsome gains, through larger fighter orders, if India chooses not to upgrade the Mirage-2000. The sixth contender, Dassault Aviation itself, realises failure to negotiate the Mirage-2000 upgrade contract could seriously damage the chances of its Rafale fighter for the MMRCA contract.

...

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Probably that means that Rafale is out so they are trying to milk on other contract

 

[Ruag]

$41 million to upgrade one Mirage 2000?! Is Dassault out of its mind?

One wonders how much Dassault will charge to upgrade Rafale. $100 million maybe?

LOL... that explains why Dassault looses most of the fighter jet contracts it bids for.

 

[raveolution]

Guys the article says that the deal is still not finalised. Orders for the MRCA have also not been made yet. So there is still a chance. The price is definitely too high and the French need to figure this out or else it may adversely affect the chances of the Rafale. I think they may come around eventually.

The sad part is that the fighter will cease to be a frontline fighter from 2014-15 onwards, where its specs, although still quite good would be found lacking when compared to other aircraft. It's reputation for maintenance and crash record are excellent.

The good part is that the IAF would get a reason to immediately exercise its options and order 200 and not 126 MRCA.

Lets wait and see... the deal is not dead yet!!

 

[nightrider_saulat]

so it's clear that eurofighter is going to be the MRCA winner

 

[rajeev]

so it's clear that eurofighter is going to be the MRCA winner

I think orders will be split between Eurofighter and F-18 because India has to keep its prominence with US. Most likely India will order 200 planes first starting with 126 planes and later adding the rest so that China does not get upset.