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I heard $800 million is going just on the Mica missiles for the fighter.
that missile costs $3ml each....compare to russian missile which cost $0.1ml...
even i just couldn't understand what IAF wants to upgrade from franch when the same can be done by DRDO itself...
Yeah you are right Sancho, dats the only problem in our case but we can still talk. I said all that because in my opinion both typhoon and Rafale should be inducted because they are very lethal.Those M2K-9 are the most developed versions and are pretty new, which means UAE will ask for a good ammount of money, just like Qatar did when we asked for their M2K-5.
If we buy this, then almost 90 % of Indian fighters will be Russian made. This is what India does not want. Strategically, economically this will be the stupidest decision. Apart from this Russians have already made this clear that the first mig 35 won't be delivered until 2013 but as per the terms of our deal we will need 18 fighter right away from the vendor which Russia won't be able to provide.why MIG-35 won't be given the mmrca deal mr.naik..?
No not possible by our DRDO and HAL. Although we could have gone to Israel but I think it won't be good for political point of view and thats why this project will commence.even i just couldn't understand what IAF wants to upgrade from franch when the same can be done by DRDO itself
The upgrades include:
-- New avionics, including an advanced navigation system, mission computers, Mil 1553 B data with Digibus, a pulse doppler radar that can find objects out to 70 nautical miles
-- Two displays and an advanced head-down display in a glass cockpit
-- Electronic warfare systems, including new radar warning receivers with instantaneous wide-bank receivers, an integrated missile warning receiver with continuous time-to-impact information, and new jammers and countermeasure systems
-- Increased fuel capacity
-- Four Derby beyond-visual-range missiles
-- Two short-to-medium-range Python V missiles
-- Long-range smart munitions
-- Full mission simulators
i think DRDO can upgrade these mirage by there own..
look at what the upgrade includes :
most of these systems are presently been build in india and has been installed on LCA and other IAF fighters..
What about stripping the airframe? this is very complex and what systems will we fit inside we would have to buy them anyway from Israel or France there would still be a cost
The upgrades include:
-- New avionics, including an advanced navigation system, mission computers, Mil 1553 B data with Digibus, a pulse doppler radar that can find objects out to 70 nautical miles
-- Two displays and an advanced head-down display in a glass cockpit
-- Electronic warfare systems, including new radar warning receivers with instantaneous wide-bank receivers, an integrated missile warning receiver with continuous time-to-impact information, and new jammers and countermeasure systems
-- Increased fuel capacity
-- Four Derby beyond-visual-range missiles
-- Two short-to-medium-range Python V missiles
-- Long-range smart munitions
-- Full mission simulators
on this argument , why MIG-35 won't be given the mmrca deal mr.naik..?
also inplace of upgrade if IAF buys a new su-30mki , don't the trained people, erecting infrastructure, logistics, spares supply and life time support is already there for su-30mki..?
i think DRDO can upgrade these mirage by there own..
look at what the upgrade includes :
most of these systems are presently been build in india and has been installed on LCA and other IAF fighters..
I said all that because in my opinion both typhoon and Rafale should be inducted because they are very lethal.
which new capabilities or weapons will mmrca bring that india already won't have or can have/buy ?Because MMRCA is something different than upgrading an already existing fighter!
Less training is a pro for the Mig in MMRCA, but that doesn't equalise all the downsides it has, let alone that it simply doesn't give IAF any new valuable capability, or weapon
IAF never came out with maintanance cost figure of different aircrafts , but by taiwan new we know that flying hour cost of mirage is more then $20000......that big , even more then su-30mki..Replacing the Mirage with a new MKI makes no sense, because the maintenance costs are clearly higher, not to mention that they serve in different roles.
That's not what Mirage upgrade includes, because they won't get Israeli missiles and HAL will do the upgrade in India, after Dassault has cleared it.
which new capabilities or weapons will mmrca bring that india already won't have or can have/buy ?
IAF never came out with maintanance cost figure of different aircrafts , but by taiwan new we know that flying hour cost of mirage is more then $20000......that big , even more then su-30mki..
diffrent aircrafts to serve different roles are the thing of past...
the first post of this thread states that what upgrade will includes ...
israeli missile are already fitted on navy seaharrier , why IAF won't get it..?