New Pictures of Sahand Frigate

[VEVAK]

You don't read well. It has 4x the cannon mountings (not the trailer) but this whole contraption has been placed on the carriage of an Oerlikon twin 35mm AAA gun. That has a certain weight, irrespective of whether it mounts the twin 35 or the octuple 23. That carriage hasn't gotten any lighter. And you still have the 4 gun sets, with their associated ammo feed and boxes, and azimuth and elevation controls.

So, what I gave you is a range in which the real system weight likely falls, also including the fire control shelter. Because that is what you need in order to compare with the weight of the Oto 76mm mount. That is not difficult to comprehend, even for a half-wit.

If Mesbah 1 is SO INCREDIBLY LIGHT, how come it is mounted on a three axle truck and not a 4x4 Toyota Landcruiser?

By comparison, the German 20mm Flak 30/38 Vierling weighs 1,509 kg, and that has half the number of cannon and feed and munition of the Mesbah. So 2.5-3 tons just for the gunset is reasonable, then there is the extra weigh of using the big Oerlikon twin 35 carriage, and the FCU equipment. So, 3.5 tons is quite a reasonable minimum weight estimate.

Compare also to quad 20mm Polsten:
Mounting weight 3910lb (1777kg)
Platform weight 1320lb (600kg)
Carriage weight 1665lb (757kg)
Total weight of quad gun 6895lb (3134kg)

The Oto 76mm is not only very volume and weight efficient, it is also more allround, and very effective out to greater ranges than Mesbah 1. It would seriously reduce ship effectiveness to replace the 76mm with Mesbah-1.

It depends on what you do with the extra 4 tonnes!!!!
That could increase range, Increase more effective countermeasures against AShMs, Give the ship LACM capability, give the ship longer range Air Defense capability!

You can deploy small fleets of Sina Class ships each specialized in dealing against certain threats! In terms of coast & production capacity it means you can deploy a larger fleet at a faster pace
Iran already has 3-4 Sina Class hauls already built & waiting their turn!

I'm tired of talking about his we just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that!!!!!

 

[Penguin]

It depends on what you do with the extra 4 tonnes!!!!
That could increase range, Increase more effective countermeasures against AShMs, Give the ship LACM capability, give the ship longer range Air Defense capability!

You can deploy small fleets of Sina Class ships each specialized in dealing against certain threats! In terms of coast & production capacity it means you can deploy a larger fleet at a faster pace
Iran already has 3-4 Sina Class hauls already built & waiting their turn!

I'm tired of talking about his we just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that!!!!!

There is no extra 4 tons.

 

[ilia]

 

[AmirPatriot]

@ilia can you provide the video link?

@Penguin

 

[Malik Alashter]

ALCON,

Indeed, few if ANY reduced-RCS actually claim to be "stealthy" enough to defeat an incoming radar-guided AshM. With naval vessels, which have MASSIVE RCS to begin with, the purpose of reducing its RCS is to: A) Reduce your apparent size on enemy radars, so as to confuse them as to what kind of vessel they are tracking in the first place and B) to force them to come closer to their intended target to get a more proper/guaranteed radar lock before firing.

As such, if you enemy is targeting your vessel from over-the-horizon (or by air), the fact your vessel has lowered-RCS is rather pointless suddenly and you still need the traditional layers of air defense/counter-measures to defend yourself.

And for the record, since this keeps getting talked about. The HSV-2 Swift, to my knowledge, had absolutely no defensive systems to deal with an incoming AshM whatsoever. Thus the fact it got hit by a AshM fired by the Houthis is hardly a shock. The only "shock" is the how the poor thing managed to NOT sink. The Swift was not a true warship in the first place (aka she had no real armament). She was effectively a high-tech/speed transport vessel, aka a sitting duck!

AmirPatriot,

Indeed! Noticed the IMF just went and disappeared on me a year or more ago. Didn't know many of the IMF folks had set up shop over here until pretty recently. Turns out I had set up an account here many years ago and totally forgot about it.

cool

 

[yavar]

@ilia can you provide the video link?

@Penguin

coming up just uploading

Iran images Navy of Sahand destroyer تصاویر از ناوشکن سهند نیروی دریایی

 

[sahureka2]

hat it is, or what it should contain

 

[yavar]

نگاه یک امیردریادار حبیب‌الله سیاری Iran IRIB1 Negahe Yek interview with Admiral Sayyary

 

[Penguin]

hat it is, or what it should contain

Seems to be some sort of passageway, larger than just for personnel. SHe has yet to be fitted out fully.

 

[Blue In Green]

So can we get a thorough break down of specs and abilities?

 

[sahureka2]

[Quote = "Pinguino, posta: 9245923, membro: 13259"] Seems to be some sort of passageway, larger than just for personnel. SHe has yet to be fitted out fully. [/ Quote]

to facilitate the passage also of components of larger dimensions to be installed inside !
yes, possible hypothesis

 

[mohsen]

So can we get a thorough break down of specs and abilities?

It's not finished. with this speed, not less than 2 another years before entering service.

 

[Arminkh]

hat it is, or what it should contain

The AA missiles are usually installed there so I guess that is the access corridor for replenishment

 

[Draco.IMF]

Iran needs Vertical Launch Systems!

 

[Arminkh]

Iran needs Vertical Launch Systems!

Current Iranian vessels are too small to support that.