Never ask me about peace again

[VCheng]

Muslim is forbidden to kill innocent so we are not going to behave like Israeli if we have the chance, what I am going to say is that Israel should be afraid of what the future can bring them to, the level of their barbaric act will be recorded at our memory. All world power cannot stop what Israeli keep doing all the time because they are too weak, because of that another option should be prepared to stop this never ending crime to children and women, and insult to Muslim world. They are just endangering their own future by doing what they always do to Gaza civilians

You may find this thread interesting Sir:

Israel: Winning the Battle but Losing the War

 

[Dillinger]

Hamas needs to ask big daddy to attack anyone, as long as his blessings are secured, one could kill as many people as one wants with impunity. That is what is wrong with Hamas.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being emotional when confronting a tragedy. If you fail to appreciate that, there is something lacking in your humanity.

Your blatant support for Zionist terrorism is noted and condemned.

You may wish to read posts by @Dillinger and @janon to see a humanist angle, if you think that I am being partisan.

I await another post from you, seeing that you are not ready to give up and will go to any length to excuse your rhetoric.

Its not about being a humanist.

First thing people might notice, contrary to popular perception, is that there are quite a few Indian posters who have expressed discomfort with and dismay at the current conflict and Israel's actions wrt said conflict. Furthermore, you will find that while said posters criticize Israel's actions there is a fundamental distinction, all of us without exception support Israel's right to exist and to protect itself. The criticism is born out of a very clear and distinct divergence in defining the scope of these "rights". For me, personally, the right to exist cannot translate to the right to expand, if the sole aim of keeping the West Bank's borders undefined (since the UN charter explicitly forbids annexation of sovereign territory) by dint of blocking any bid to grant it the legal distinction of being de jure sovereign territory is to enable the setting up of settlements and expropriation of the Palestinian people then there is indeed a fundamental divergence in how I define the right to exist and how Israel does. If the right to defend/protect one's state extends to indiscriminate attacks then I of course cannot personally condone such a thing (as little as it matters), and this is not hyperbole, many of these attacks are indiscriminate, you cannot shell a beach which was hosting a scattered crowd and a few children kicking ball and then say that you thought that there a legitimate military target there. Wrt the last point, if someone disagrees then please cough up the data, and do not reply with generalizations of human shields and rocket fire from civilian areas, as true or as false as such assertion maybe, I am looking for an explanation to the specific incident in question, I do not want to know what target was at so and so place or which tunnel you found yesterday, please just tell me what/which target was within/beneath/nearby the house which you blew in (referred to in the OP), get specific.

So, this divergence in defining these "rights" and the manner of exercising them is what is at play for us.

@VCheng's devotion to rationality sans sentiment is admirable, at the same time it is also sterile. It lacks any qualifications, unqualified support to any cause, one would argue, is exactly the opposite of a rational approach.

 

[Gazprom]

Gaza should stop protecting hamas and stop threatening israel.

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng's devotion to rationality sans sentiment is admirable, at the same time it is also sterile. It lacks any qualifications, unqualified support to any cause, one would argue, is exactly the opposite of a rational approach.

A rational approach cannot be based on emotion, nor be favorable to or against any perceived cause. Hamas needs to recognize Israel's right to exist in peace, and Israel needs to recognize the right of the Palestinians to their own secure state. The rest of the mechanics of implementation can be worked out once both sides accept these basic foundations.

 

[RFS_Br]

 

[The SiLent crY]

Dude , No one can help you now except your will and resistance .

You've paid the price of reaching a fair and honorable peace that accepts your rights even though Arabs don't want that happen .

 

[al-Hasani]

Dude , No one can help you now except your will and resistance .

You've paid the price of reaching a fair and honorable peace that accepts your rights even though Arabs don't want that happen .

Here comes the idiotic farsi that meddles in Arab matters all the time. Get this through your empty skull. The Arabs as a people are more supportive of Palestine and have sacrificed more for our brothers and sisters in Palestine than ANY other people in history. It has always been like that and will always be like this.

If there is anything certain then it is the fact that most farsis do not care about Palestinians outside the Mullah's who are busy acting more Arab than the Arabs themselves. This forum alone is proof of it.

But of course you prefer lying to yourself while being obsessed about your military, religious, cultural, linguistic conquerors (Arabs). Like most other farsis here.

Try harder next time.

P.S: People are not stupid here. At least the majority is not and history is open to all as well.

@Hazzy997

I contacted her on her personal facebook account. I will express condolences at the right time.


Well said, most people won't understand that you're being sarcastic here.

Everyone of us should do that.

 

[Falcon29]

Here comes the idiotic farsi that meddles in Arab matters all the time. Get this through your empty skull. The Arabs as a people are more supportive of Palestine and have sacrificed more for our brothers and sisters in Palestine than ANY other people in history. It has always been like that and will always be like this.

If there is anything certain then it is the fact that most farsis do not care about Palestinians outside the Mullah's who are busy acting more Arab than the Arabs themselves. This forum alone is proof of it.

But of course you prefer lying to yourself while being obsessed about your military, religious, cultural, linguistic conquerors (Arabs). Like most other farsis here.

Try harder next time.

P.S: People are not stupid here. At least the majority is not and history is open to all as well.

@Hazzy997



Everyone of us should do that.

I'm not sure what he's advising. This thread isn't for that discussion. It is highlighting the Palestinian perspective. The strategy related discussion isn't appropriate here.

 

[al-Hasani]

I'm not sure what he's advising. This thread isn't for that discussion. It is highlighting the Palestinian perspective. The strategy related discussion isn't appropriate here.

This guy is obsessed about Arabs and uses every opportunity to provoke us without reason. He knows very well that there is no people more supportive of Palestinians and the Palestinians cause than fellow Arabs nor are their any other people who have sacrificed more for the Palestinians. He and every other knowledgeable people knows this very well but despite this he still tries to troll.

That's obviously pathetic and deserves a reply.
There might be a lot of ignorant non-Arabs here commenting on Arab issues and few of us Arab users (active ones at least) but that is no excuse.

 

[Falcon29]

This guy is obsessed about Arabs and uses every opportunity to provoke us without reason. He knows very well that there is no people more supportive of Palestinians and the Palestinians cause than fellow Arabs nor are their any other people who have sacrificed more for the Palestinians. He and every other knowledgeable people knows this very well but despite this he still tries to troll.

That's obviously pathetic and deserves a reply.
There might be a lot of ignorant non-Arabs here commenting on Arab issues and few of us Arab users (active ones at least) but that is no excuse.

I think he does know most Arab folks do support the Palestinian cause heavily. But, he's relating to political ties which isn't relevant to the topic.

Most people on this forum don't have decent enough knowledge of the conflict. Many of them are just emotional/hateful people who look for opportunities to bash. If you look at my threads or threads I rebuke you will see random people with their meaningless empty slogans.

There are a good amount of knowledgeable people though who understand even small details of the conflict which surprises me.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Here comes the idiotic farsi that meddles in Arab matters all the time. Get this through your empty skull. The Arabs as a people are more supportive of Palestine and have sacrificed more for our brothers and sisters in Palestine than ANY other people in history. It has always been like that and will always be like this.

If there is anything certain then it is the fact that most farsis do not care about Palestinians outside the Mullah's who are busy acting more Arab than the Arabs themselves. This forum alone is proof of it.

But of course you prefer lying to yourself while being obsessed about your military, religious, cultural, linguistic conquerors (Arabs). Like most other farsis here.

Try harder next time.

P.S: People are not stupid here. At least the majority is not and history is open to all as well.

Here is the greatest troll of PDF again .

Since Arabs are busy in their Harams or drinking with the US and BB and licking their back for western weapons , Its Iran's duty to save your brothers' *** otherwise another embarrassment will happen .

Just 3 days ago , when Palestinians were slaughtered in Gaza and when people asked for an action from Saudis , you and your Saudi bros were silent and blamed Hamas for fighting Israel and not accepting Israel's terms that only returned them to same miserable life they had in Gaza .

First take Obama's balls out of your mouth , then we'll talk whether Iran can meddle in Arab world or not .

I'm not sure what he's advising. This thread isn't for that discussion. It is highlighting the Palestinian perspective. The strategy related discussion isn't appropriate here.

I just said after sacrificing 1900 people , Palestinians shouldn't give up until they take their full rights .

This guy is obsessed about Arabs and uses every opportunity to provoke us without reason. He knows very well that there is no people more supportive of Palestinians and the Palestinians cause than fellow Arabs nor are their any other people who have sacrificed more for the Palestinians. He and every other knowledgeable people knows this very well but despite this he still tries to troll.

That's obviously pathetic and deserves a reply.
There might be a lot of ignorant non-Arabs here commenting on Arab issues and few of us Arab users (active ones at least) but that is no excuse.

What have Saudis sacrificed ?

 

[al-Hasani]

Here is the greatest troll of PDF again .

Since Arabs are busy in their Harams or drinking with the US and BB and licking their back for western weapons , Its Iran's duty to save your brothers' *** otherwise another embarrassment will happen .

Just 3 days ago , when Palestinians were slaughtered in Gaza and when people asked for an action from Saudis , you and your Saudi bros were silent and blamed Hamas for fighting Israel and not accepting Israel's terms that only returned them to same miserable life they had in Gaza .

First take Obama's balls out of your mouth , then we'll talk whether Iran can meddle in Arab world or not .



I just said after sacrificing 1900 people , Palestinians shouldn't give up until they take their full rights .

LOL. Obviously that's a lie.

Last time I checked then it is your fake wannabe Arab Mullah's who are crawling on their feet to lick a certain part of the Western leaders so they will be allowed to free themselves from their giant misery when not licking Russian/Chinese leaders. Moreover your country was the biggest partner and supporter of Israel since Israel came to existence in 1948 until 1979 and most of your people have nothing against Israel. Your fake wannabe Arab Mullah's also received Israeli aid during the Iraq-Iran war. Facts hurt, I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

More lies. Saudi Arabia has donated more to Gaza than Iran in the past 1 month.

Anyway clown learn the difference between people and a few governments and stop spreading bullshit and mind your own business.

 

[The SiLent crY]

I think he does know most Arab folks do support the Palestinian cause heavily. But, he's relating to political ties which isn't relevant to the topic.

Most people on this forum don't have decent enough knowledge of the conflict. Many of them are just emotional/hateful people who look for opportunities to bash. If you look at my threads or threads I rebuke you will see random people with their meaningless empty slogans.

There are a good amount of knowledgeable people though who understand even small details of the conflict which surprises me.

Why don't you point directly at the ones you're talking about ?11

Of course I will bash Saudis and other Arab states in region you know why ?

Because they all shout up when people are killed by Israel in Gaza and neither help nor have something to say but when it comes to Iran they all start posting BS about Iran meddling Arab world and bullly for Iranians .

I expected this answer from Saudis and their bros and here it is , exactly after a few days they came out of their safe caves and started ranting against Iran for it's presence in Arab world .

 

[Falcon29]

Why don't you point directly at the ones you're talking about ?11

Of course I will bash Saudis and other Arab states in region you know why ?

Because they all shout up when people are killed by Israel in Gaza and neither help nor have something to say but when it comes to Iran they all start posting BS about Iran meddling Arab world and bullly for Iranians .

.

I'm talking about some Indians. I never attempt to refute your posts because we argue for the same thing. I too am upset with the Arab world. We know the double standard there.

But, it isn't helpful to demonize too much because one day it will change.

 

[al-Hasani]

Why don't you point directly at the ones you're talking about ?11

Of course I will bash Saudis and other Arab states in region you know why ?

Because they all shout up when people are killed by Israel in Gaza and neither help nor have something to say but when it comes to Iran they all start posting BS about Iran meddling Arab world and bullly for Iranians .

I expected this answer from Saudis and their bros and here it is , exactly after a few days they came out of their safe caves and started ranting against Iran for it's presence in Arab world .

Clown. It's Arabs who went to war with Israel not Iranians. It's Arabs who have ALWAYS stood with their Palestinian brethren when you Iranians were their greatest allies in the region and cooperated with them closely. It's Arabs who have donated more money and humanitarian aid to the Palestinians than anyone else. It's Arabs who have sacrificed themselves in wars and politically. It's the Arab street that is most supportive of the Palestinians than anyone else.

It's also Arab countries that host most of the Palestinian migrants and leaders etc. The list is endless.

So don't even go there.

You as a Farsi have no right to bark because your leaders have barked a few times (without ever declaring war on Israel contrary to what Arabs have done) and sending a few largely useless pipes and a few rifles. Are you joking?

Yes, you should mind your own business as you are an unwanted element, always was and always will be. The sooner your likes understand this the better.

P.S: Can you tell me where the leader of Hamas is right now? I heard that he was located in some Arab country. Don't remember what it is called. Can you help me out here? You are obviously obsessed about the Arab world so you should be able to answer this question. Take your time.