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Nawaz Sharif approves lifting of ban on underage marriage

Bhai I know that there is a Hadith(or 2) in Sahih Bukhari that says Ayesha was six years old at the time of her marriage to prophet(pbuh) . And since Ahlussunah consider Bukhari authentic , they reject all other sources .

But you must know that there is another Hadith in Sahih Bukhari which clearly contradicts this hadith
One should always take hadith with a pinch of salt. These are not the words of the Prophet (PBUH) but narrations of people. There was no tradition of celebrating birthdays in Arabs, and no municipal corporations existed back in those days which would keep record of birth and death. Therefore when it comes to age, it is based on guess work regardless of how sahih (authentic) a hadith may be. The point is this, in the time of Prophet (PBUH) nobody, even the Quresh Mekkah who were his arch enemy, blamed him for marrying an under-age girl. This clearly suggests that Aisha was of the age, which was considered appropriate enough for getting married in Arabian culture of that time. Numbers (9 or 11, or 18) are not important here.
 
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Seems like it's not a big problem for Pakistan. 2012 data by ICRW. Didn't expect what I see for India though.

Why not it's big problem - It's not just about this law - Mullah brigade have already destroyed social fabric and now they are going for further adventures. And this removal of age will effect the minorities most.
 
hehehe...
search it buddy...i read it in a library ...which had this indian archaeological survey book......
it is a old book....:-)

I did already. Could not find even a reference to such a book or website in the blogs that showcase such theories.:drag:
 
You are confusing me now....
Our debate started over Panchali and polyandry.
Then to the next level where you said Mahabharata is just a bunch of stories and full of myths. I agree only to a part of it that demons might not have existed.
Then happened our discussion on radioactivity.....
And now Indee you have retracted and said that Mahabharata war took place.So why are we debating????:hitwall:
Dont confuse me:blink:

I agree that the debate started somewhere and ended somewhere else. Regarding the Mahabharata, let me reiterate my position. I believe it gives a few historical accounts, but is full of exaggerations at the same time. Basically, remove all the magic and divine powers exhibited by it's characters and you might find a few credible references to places and events.

I'm more interested in the social structure described in the Mahabharata, which is where I began this debate; questioning the justification provided for polyandry practiced by the Pandavas. Any more confusion to dispel?:-)
 
Trust me not all of it ever makes to google.

Btw taking a lil break.

@Dem!god & @Indischer
Continue your debate.:D
Will catch up laterzzz

It's a two-way street sis. A lot of material shown as credible in the blogs can/will never be published either, owing to dubious research, inconsistencies and lack of credible peer-review.:D
 
it was 18 not 16
in america a kid could marry at 16 with parents permission.
'parent permission' has completely different meaning in asia...
without a minimum age, a toddler can be married off , right?
 
More realistic scenario:

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To all the Pakistanis who seem to turn off their brain as soon as someone says the magic word "Islam", I have a simple question:

Do you want your sister, daughter, cousin or niece to be in this position?


And they will say to your question, "Yah, why not, it is good for our healthy and society. We are very low IQ people to accept anything, you can't argue with us."

Alot of good educated Pakistani will not return to Pakistan to avoid early marriages or force by parents.
 
The islamic council only gives opinions on different laws.

there opinion was that the age 18 for marriage and written consent required from the first wife for second marriage is not islamic.

fact is untill 1895 in UK the english law stated age of marriage allowed to be at age of puberty or 12 years. same law was in USA till 1920s.
today the age of consent for marriage and sex in Europe range from 14-16 years(with Germany etc 14 years and some with even 12 with some conditions) and 18 years in USA.

in islamic law its the age at which puberty occurs, that was almost the universal law in all the world till 1900s (interstingly the age of puberty decreased from 16-18yrs in western countries to 12-13 years due to unknown reasons)
the other figure is in sunni hanafi school of thought 15 years

i dont know why second marriage written consent requirement abolishment is a controversy, remember the wife can still put a condition before marriage to prohibit the husband from marrying second time

 
Mullahs use shady narrations (compiled centuries after the death of prophet) to justify their pedophilia in the name of religion
Muslims do not need enemies when they have Mullahs (mis)interpreting Islam for them .
And in a "Islamic Republic" , where Islam means "Mullah Islam" only , One should not expect better laws than this one !!
It is "we" Who are wrong , not the religion of Muhammad (pbuh)







Of Aisha’s age at marriage
NILOFAR AHMED

IT is said that Hazrat Aisha was six years old when her nikah was performed with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Makkah, and nine years old when she moved in to live with her husband in Madina after Hijra.

This piece of misinformation has led to the wrong view that child marriage has the sanction of Islam. It must be noted that establishing the authenticity of hadiths, the narrators’ circumstances and the conditions at that time have to be correlated with historical facts. There is only one hadith by Hisham which suggests the age of Hazrat Aisha as being nine when she came to live with her husband.

Many authentic hadiths also show that Hisham’s narration is incongruous with several historical facts about the Prophet’s life, on which there is consensus. With reference to scholars such as Umar Ahmed Usmani, Hakim Niaz Ahmed and Habibur Rehman Kandhulvi, I would like to present some arguments in favour of the fact that Hazrat Aisha was at least 18 years old when her nikah was performed and at least 21 when she moved into the Prophet’s house to live with him.

According to Umar Ahmed Usmani, in Surah Al-Nisa, it is said that the guardian of the orphans should keep testing them, until they reach the age of marriage, before returning their property (4:6). From this scholars have concluded that the Quran sets a minimum age of marriage which is at least puberty. Since the approval of the girl has a legal standing, she cannot be a minor.

Hisham bin Urwah is the main narrator of this hadith. His life is divided into two periods: in 131A.H. the Madani period ended, and the Iraqi period started, when Hisham was 71 years old. Hafiz Zehbi has spoken about Hisham’s loss of memory in his later period. His students in Madina, Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanifah, do not mention this hadith. Imam Malik and the people of Madina criticised him for his Iraqi hadiths.

All the narrators of this hadith are Iraqis who had heard it from Hisham. Allama Kandhulvi says that the words spoken in connection with Hazrat Aisha’s age were tissa ashara, meaning 19, when Hisham only heard (or remembered), tissa, meaning nine. Maulana Usmani thinks this change was purposely and maliciously made later.
Historian Ibn Ishaq in his Sirat Rasul Allah has given a list of the people who accepted Islam in the first year of the proclamation of Islam, in which Hazrat Aisha’s name is mentioned as Abu Bakr’s “little daughter Aisha”. If we accept Hisham’s calculations, she was not even born at that time.

Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Hazrat Khadija, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he get married again, to a bikrun, referring to Hazrat Aisha (Musnad Ahmed). In Arabic bikrun is used for an unmarried girl who has crossed the age of puberty and is of marriageable age. The word cannot be used for a six-year-old girl.

Some scholars think that Hazrat Aisha was married off so early because in Arabia girls mature at an early age. But this was not a common custom of the Arabs at that time. According to Allama Kandhulvi, there is no such case on record either before or after Islam. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 21 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.

Hazrat Aisha narrates that she was present on the battlefield at the Battle of Badar (Muslim). This leads one to conclude that Hazrat Aisha moved into the Prophet’s house in 1 A.H. But a nine-year-old could not have been taken on a rough and risky military mission.

In 2 A.H, the Prophet refused to take boys of less than 15 years of age to the battle of Uhud. Would he have allowed a 10-year-old girl to accompany him? But Anas reported that he saw Aisha and Umme Sulaim carrying goatskins full of water and serving it to the soldiers (Bukhari). Umme Sulaim and Umme Ammara, the other women present at Uhud, were both strong, mature women whose duties were the lifting of the dead and injured, treating their wounds, carrying water in heavy goatskins, supplying ammunition and even taking up the sword.

Hazrat Aisha used the kunniat, the title derived from the name of a child, of Umme Abdullah after her nephew and adopted son. If she was six when her nikah was performed, she would have been only eight years his senior, hardly making him eligible for adoption. Also, a little girl could not have given up on ever having her own child and used an adopted child’s name for her kunniat.

Hazrat Aisha’s nephew Urwah once remarked that he was not surprised about her amazing knowledge of Islamic law, poetry and history because she was the wife of the Prophet and the daughter of Abu Bakr. If she was eight when her father migrated, when did she learn poetry and history from him?

There is consensus that Hazrat Aisha was 10 years younger than her elder sister Asma, whose age at the time of the hijrah, or migration to Madina, was about 28. It can be concluded that Hazrat Aisha was about 18 years old at migration. On her moving to the Prophet’s house, she was a young woman at 21. Hisham is the single narrator of the hadith whose authenticity is challenged, for it does not correlate with the many historical facts of the time.

The writer is a scholar of the Quran and writes on contemporary issues. nilofar.ahmed58@gmail.com

This is the truth, Hazrat Aisha RA participated in battles that if we go with age 6 to 9 theory people older than her (12-15) were told to sit out of because they were too young. It just doesn't match up with the historical reality of things.
 
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