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NATO Warns Turkey It Won’t Support Ankara in Conflict With Russia

If Nato today says no to Turkey in it's dire time in case of a war then Nato shall lose one of it's strongest member
 
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If Nato today says no to Turkey in it's dire time in case of a war then Nato shall lose one of it's strongest member
It is one sided relationship, Turkey is a staunch member of NATO, but even in NATO, they are the main members, the second cast members, and the member of necessity..Turkey falls in the last category. The cold war is part of the past as well as Turkey in NATO's checker board.
 
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It is one sided relationship, Turkey is a staunch member of NATO, but even in NATO, they are the main members, the second cast members, and the member of necessity..Turkey falls in the last category. The cold war is part of the past as well as Turkey in NATO's checker board.



The real players in Nato are France,Germany,Turkey and Itlay other members shall be crushed within few days if a war with Russia happens and America has nothing much to lose as the war will be in Europe not in America so still all the damage and pain shall be felt by European countries. Hence Turkey is important for Nato to remain strong
 
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The real players in Nato are France,Germany,Turkey and Itlay other members shall be crushed within few days if a war with Russia happens and America has nothing much to lose as the war will be in Europe not in America so still all the damage and pain shall be felt by European countries. Hence Turkey is important for Nato to remain strong
We are talking about two different things, you are talking about Turkish military capability, and I am talking about Turkey "essentiality" within NATO as seen by the western world.
 
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@Ceylal

Stop making fun about our 9 killed people France bastard boy. Oh, not bastard but bâtard:-).
 
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Turkey must think about all its allies before thinking about going into war. Its not only about turkey and russia we will all be pulled into this war.
Our relations with russia have been warming up after so long. And now our turk allies will drag us into this mess as well because Pakistan cannot leave its ally turkey in any conflict.
No one will gain. If their is a war between Ankara and Moscow, Asia will never be the same again. American and Europeans will not damn care.

"When you dont like a fight but you cannot leave your friend alone"
 
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if you all wanna get bogged down in a war with Russia then by all means :victory1:

I like to see him as USA president ... although nothing will change for us because USA president are just to achieve usa strategical objective from different tactics ...
 
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I like to see him as USA president ... although nothing will change for us because USA president are just to achieve usa strategical objective from different tactics ...
What is wrong with Bernie Sanders? he says sweet things these days ...
 
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There would be ZERO benefit for Russia / NATO to go to war.

NATO is now reconstituted around East European countries like Poland etc. In the US view even countries like Italy and Spain are somewhat irrelevant.

The US stands to gain if Russia and Turkey go to war, since such a war will definitely weaken Russia.

Of course we wont support turkey in a war against russia. The idea alone is ridicolous.

Turkey escalates the situation with russia, thats none of our business. I don´t see why italy or europe as a whole should risk lifes for turkish idiocy in this case.

Beside that, the news is real. Italian newspapers as well as german one say the same. As far as i know even Hollande himself said that NATo will not step in to support turkey in this case.

And this is why NATO is irrelevant.

If Nato today says no to Turkey in it's dire time in case of a war then Nato shall lose one of it's strongest member

This isn't about NATO, this is about the US.

Turkey's main failure has been not to take everything that it wanted from NATO when it was one of its main members.

Erdogan needs to quickly fill in the gaps in Turkey's defenses which it previously assumed would be filled by NATO on the basis of dealing with the countries which are Turkey's two greatest enemies: Russia, and Iran.
 
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if it's either few interests or being vaporized I would chose the former.


would I or anyone die for Turkey

or for these rats

I don't think so


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is Pakistan going to fight with it's brothers against Russia?? will Pakistan use it's nuclear weapons against Russia


if the Muslim world wants to fight Russia it can do so on it's own.

or you are going to pay us and pay us a lot for our services
Are you talking about some life time sanction on Pakistan. Plus, India is already after Pak nukes. One mistake of Pakistan or any single nuke leave Pak space , will be strip off. Because, US is providing safety equipment for these nuclear asset. U prints are easily traceable ....Pakistan provide everything to friendly countries, but nuclear asset is " No Go Zone".
Pakistan already under scrutiny after, Libya,Iran,North Korea transfer of equipment issue.

NATO was created to defend against a USSR attack in Western Europe.

USSR doesn't exist anymore.

NATO should have been dissolved in 1991

Turkey shouldn't even be in NATO and it should never be allowed to join the EU

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NATO is big question mark after 1991. Do you really think , to deal with terrorism in EU need NATO type force for pre emptive strike remote region out of Europe. And need better countering measure to deal with terrorism in Europe.
 
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@Ceylal

Stop making fun about our 9 killed people France bastard boy. Oh, not bastard but bâtard:-).
I am not making fun of your dead , Its your your Sultan that made fun of them, fils de pute! Beside we own France, pede! et au moins, nous, on est venu de 4000kms de loin et on a baise votre baiseur, celui qui a non seulement massacre votre flotte en Mediterranee, mais il a fait baisse le pantalon de votre actual premier ministre...En plus, being reamed wasn't enough, you went again and begged for their friendship and help...Even your street whores have more self esteem! but what we expect from a country who still montions the hymen status of her female citizenry on their ID card..Va te faire enculer espece de con!
 
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What is wrong with Bernie Sanders? he says sweet things these days ...
Trump is seems to be more straight man , understanding him is really easy but what about Sanders !? He is tricky ...

Kurds are Indo-Iranian people.

Persian were calling their Nomad tribes as Kurd , so Kurds technically are Persians ...
 
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Trump is seems to be more straight man , understanding him is really easy but what about Sanders !? He is tricky ...

It's true that due to an usual offensive type of diplomacy deployed by republicans dealing with them is much more easier than their rivals ... in fact Republicans are not that much tricky and in general we've had much problems with Democrat presidents in comparison .... and still I think Bernie Sanders is a better candidate for Iran ... someone like Obama that at least has some logic to share unlike a cowboy ...
 
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It's true that due to an usual offensive type of diplomacy deployed by republicans dealing with them is much more easier than their rivals ... in fact Republicans are not that much tricky and in general we've had much problems with Democrat presidents in comparison .... and still I think Bernie Sanders is a better candidate for Iran ... someone like Obama that at least has some logic to share unlike a cowboy ...

and Obama was the one who put Toughest sanction in history on us , created ISIS and force us to spend money in Syria and Iraq ...

Bush was a gift for us but Obama was ten times worse than him .... if we were weak , he would crush us like bugs ...
 
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let the Arabs fight the Russians.

we know it's not in our best interest to tango with the bear :pop:

Russia/Syria vs. the jihadi kooks is like a Cowboys vs. Giants game. As long as they BOTH kick the shit out of each other, it's all good. "Fly Eagles, fly. On the road to victory......":pop:

and Obama was the one who put Toughest sanction in history on us , created ISIS and force us to spend money in Syria and Iraq ...

Bush was a gift for us but Obama was ten times worse than him .... if we were weak , he would crush us like bugs ...

Obama will go down in history as the worst president EVER. Jimmy Carter laughs at him.
 
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