NATO Summer Summit 2022

[BHAN85]

why because Russia invaded Ukraine ?

what about US invasion of Iraq and the continued support of US to Israel to carry out genocide in Palestine

Russia is only exposing Western hypocrisy

Russia invaded Ukraine because USA unstabilized Ukraine through bribes in the last years.

I think Russia and China are the main target of USA since the beginning of XXI century, but USA is liar and twisted, the most liar empire in human history. Since the first deployment of European ABM Shield.

In the past USA uses Iran and NK as excuse to prepare a large war against Russia and China, but even the most dumb ally (and NATO has a lot) can't believe that bullshit anymore.

I think USA was discovered by their allies planning something big in the beginning of 2012, in the Hormuz strait tensions, they used as excuse Iran, but the preparation was bigger than that, nothing happened, Iran didnt respond provocations.
So Americans lie again and they did the Iran deal.

USA doesnt need Eurasia anymore, a first successful strike against Russia and China means keep the American hegemony in the world forever, means zero problem of energy in the future for USA, means eternal failed states from Lisboa to Vladivostok, like Libya and Iraq today.

European will be used as useful fools (what they are).

 

[Akritas]

I dont think that changes anything really. Its not like Finland or Sweden didnt fight terrorisme before, and Turkey still have to provide evidence before an extradition is going to happen.
I dont think Sweden or Finland were selling weapons to Turkey before the embargo, so lifting the embargo isnt really changing anything.
This agreement is a victory for all.

However, reading the memorandum, I did not see any retreat to Turkey's irrational demands, such as the extradition of political refugees, which in my opinion would be the most serious request. What the memorandum says has already been accepted by the two Nordic countries for a long time.
Of course, time will tell if anything else was agreed behind the doors. Finall;y, I agree with your embargo comments, unless Turkey asks ...... Grippen from the Swedes too !!!

Now we will wait for Russia's reaction on the field, such as violations of airspace and sea with armed planes!!!

 

[Akritas]

White House announcement as regards the agreement ....
Obviously the Americans also want to end all accession processes quickly, including parliamentary approvals.

 

[Akritas]

Photo from yesterday's dinner .....
Turkish President Erdogan is missing .....

NATO Dinner at the Royal Palace of Madrid

King Felipe and Queen Letizia of Spain hosted a Dinner for NATO Leaders at the Royal Palace of Madrid on the evening of June 28th, ahead of this year NATO Summit which coincides with the 40th anniv…

royalwatcherblog.com

 

[Akritas]

Interesting Stoltenberg statements about China and Russia.......

“We’ll state clearly that Russia poses a direct threat to our security,” Stoltenberg said ahead of the unveiling of NATO’s new strategic blueprint.

Stoltenberg said the meeting in Madrid was set to be “historic and transformative” for the seven-decade-old alliance as it grapples with the fallout from Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

“We meet in the midst of the most serious security crisis we have faced since the Second World War,” Stoltenberg said.

NATO is due to launch the largest revamp of its defence and deterrence capabilities since the end of the Cold War by strengthening the forces on its eastern flank and massively ramping up the number of troops it has at high readiness.

It is also set for the first time to turn its attention to the challenge posed by the rising might of China in an update to its guiding “strategic concept”.

“China’s not an adversary, but of course, we need to take into account the consequences to our security when we see China investing heavily in new modern military capabilities, long range missiles or nuclear weapons and also trying to control critical infrastructure for instance, 5G.” ” Stoltenberg said.

In a sign of this shift the leaders of partners South Korea and Japan will attend a NATO summit for the first time.

refercence: https://www.newsday.com/news/world/nato-summit-sweden-finland-a4yws0mu

 

[Akritas]

Greek Prime Minister statements:

"I would like to welcome the fact that today the Alliance will invite Finland and Sweden to become the 31st and 32nd members of the Alliance. Eventually, common sense prevailed and any opportunistic and utilitarian behaviors were overcome.
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We believe that at this time the Alliance's commitment should be to the challenge it faces on the Ukrainian front. We do not need any other source of instability within the Alliance and I believe that is something that all our partners understand."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1542095848485650432

 

[Akritas]

Statement by US Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Celeste Wallander shortly before the Biden-Erdogan meeting: The government supports the plan to modernize the Turkish F-16 fleet but must follow the known procedure (aka Congress).

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I'm waiting for Sweden, because there have been rumors of political refugees being extradited to Turkey. I hope they are just rumors.

The agreement states that Sweden and Finland should prioritize the request, but that the procedure should be according to European standards.
Turkey therefore need to provide proof that the person has committed a crime according to Swedish Law, and it has not reached Statute of Limitations.

If Turkey resends extradition requests that has been rejected, they need to provide new evidence, or show why the denial was a mistake.

Russia invaded Ukraine because USA unstabilized Ukraine through bribes in the last years.

I think Russia and China are the main target of USA since the beginning of XXI century, but USA is liar and twisted, the most liar empire in human history. Since the first deployment of European ABM Shield.

In the past USA uses Iran and NK as excuse to prepare a large war against Russia and China, but even the most dumb ally (and NATO has a lot) can't believe that bullshit anymore.

I think USA was discovered by their allies planning something big in the beginning of 2012, in the Hormuz strait tensions, they used as excuse Iran, but the preparation was bigger than that, nothing happened, Iran didnt respond provocations.
So Americans lie again and they did the Iran deal.

USA doesnt need Eurasia anymore, a first successful strike against Russia and China means keep the American hegemony in the world forever, means zero problem of energy in the future for USA, means eternal failed states from Lisboa to Vladivostok, like Libya and Iraq today.

European will be used as useful fools (what they are).

@Foxtrot Alpha
We were supposed to avoid the Russia-Ukraine War…

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

However, reading the memorandum, I did not see any retreat to Turkey's irrational demands, such as the extradition of political refugees, which in my opinion would be the most serious request. What the memorandum says has already been accepted by the two Nordic countries for a long time.
Of course, time will tell if anything else was agreed behind the doors. Finall;y, I agree with your embargo comments, unless Turkey asks ...... Grippen from the Swedes too !!!

Now we will wait for Russia's reaction on the field, such as violations of airspace and sea with armed planes!!!

Turkey has sent a list of 33 individuals that they want extradited.
It is unclear what evidence they provide.

 

[Akritas]

Turkey has sent a list of 33 individuals that they want extradited.
It is unclear what evidence they provide.

Turkey wanted to extract two things from the two Scandinavian countries: the lifting of an arms embargo and the ousting of Turkish and Kurdish dissidents, who characterize them as terrorists.
For the Erdogan regime, whoever is against him is immediately baptized as a terrorist suspect. However, it is interesting how your country will react.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Turkey wanted to extract two things from the two Scandinavian countries: the lifting of an arms embargo and the ousting of Turkish and Kurdish dissidents, who characterize them as terrorists.
For the Erdogan regime, whoever is against him is immediately baptized as a terrorist suspect. However, it is interesting how your country will react.

The agreement regarding extradition says that extradition request should be handled with priority, but it does not say that the rules needs to change.
Any extradition request must be accompanied by evidence that they have committed a crime according to both Swedish Law and Turkish Law.

 

[Akritas]

The agreement regarding extradition says that extradition request should be handled with priority, but it does not say that the rules needs to change.
Any extradition request must be accompanied by evidence that they have committed a crime according to both Swedish Law and Turkish Law.

President of Finland clarifies this for the umpteenth time .....
I also hope that the Swedish political leadership, because the pressure falls on it, since all the political refugees that Turkey wants and has christened as 'suspects of terrorism', live in Sweden.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1542436802736361472

 

[Akritas]

Much of the controversy over Sweden and Finland as well as Ankara’s needlessly aggressive posture toward Greece and effort to wring new military equipment out of the United States is connected to Erdogan’s domestic politics. That is not the only factor, of course, but Erdogan’s soft poll numbers loom large in his approach to NATO.
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The problem is that every effort to keep the Turks inside the tent only invites more disruption. Thanks to NATO’s framers, their descendants are stuck with a fractious ally in Turkey. And no matter how hard some people wish, there is no way to get rid of it.

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Being disruptive in the alliance is a good political strategy for Turkey’s leader.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[MeFishToo]

Much of the controversy over Sweden and Finland as well as Ankara’s needlessly aggressive posture toward Greece and effort to wring new military equipment out of the United States is connected to Erdogan’s domestic politics. That is not the only factor, of course, but Erdogan’s soft poll numbers loom large in his approach to NATO.
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The problem is that every effort to keep the Turks inside the tent only invites more disruption. Thanks to NATO’s framers, their descendants are stuck with a fractious ally in Turkey. And no matter how hard some people wish, there is no way to get rid of it.

more in

What Erdogan Gets by Being a Spoiler in NATO

Being disruptive in the alliance is a good political strategy for Turkey’s leader.

foreignpolicy.com

No wonder Turkey never made it into EU. That wouldve been a disaster.

Erdogan is going to use this situation domestically as much as he can. But eventually he will give in, because Finland and Sweden joining NATO is very important to the entire northern part of the alliance, and the USA in terms of showing unity towards Russia. Me personally, if we had to choose, I would prefere Scandinavian unity rather than an alliance with Turkey.

 

[Akritas]

Me personally, if we had to choose, I would prefere Scandinavian unity rather than an alliance with Turkey.

Me too, knowing and having experienced Turkey's attitudes.
E.g. today Erdogan asked the Greeks not to vote for Mitsotakis and to be careful not to anger Turkey for Nth time .
There is no decade, year, day, hour, moment, when a Turkish politician, government or opposition, does not threaten Greece with war.

How hypocritical to talk about....alliance.
Of course the Russians know all this, and act accordingly.