NATO OFFERS INDIA TO BE A PART of F35 Programe.

[wild peace]

Please see the link

http://ejang.jang.com.pk/1-29-2011/Karachi/page3.asp

 

[IndianArmy]

Could You please translate it?? Its in Urdu

 

[SpArK]

See the news

With own 5-Gen fighter project with Russia, India not keen on US jet

NEW DELHI: India has no plans as of now to either join the US-led joint strike fighter (JSF) programme or buy the F-35 `Lightning-II' fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) when it finally becomes operational.

"We cannot have two types of FGFA. We have already launched preliminary work for our FGFA after inking the $295 million preliminary design contract (PDC) with Russia last month,'' said a top defence ministry official on Friday.

This comes in the wake of comments made by a top Pentagon official, undersecretary of defence for acquisition, technology and logistics Ashton Carter, in Washington that the US was open to Indian participation in its JSF project.

Interestingly, the comments came during a function where an aggressive sales pitch was made for India to select either the American F/A-18 `Super Hornet' ( Boeing) or F-16 `Falcon' ( Lockheed Martin) over their European rivals in the ongoing IAF's medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contest.

The other 4.5-generation fighters in the hotly-contested race to bag the $10.4 billion MMRCA project, under which 18 jets will be bought off-the-shelf and another 108 will be manufactured in India under transfer of technology, are Eurofighter Typhoon, Swedish Gripen (Saab), French Rafale (Dassault) and Russian MiG-35 (United Aircraft Corporation).

The IAF force matrix for the coming years revolves around the 270 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia for around $12 billion, the 126 MMRCA and 120 indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, apart from upgraded MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s.

In the decades ahead, the advanced stealth FGFA to be developed with Russia will be the mainstay of India's combat fleet. "Our FGFA will be cheaper than the F-35. Moreover, the intellectual property rights of the FGFA will equally and jointly vest on both India and Russia, with full access to the source code and the like,'' said another senior official.

With a potent mix of super-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the "swing-role'' FGFA will of course not come cheap. The cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing has been pegged at around $11 billion, with India and Russia chipping in with $5.5 billion each.

Over and above this, each of the 250-300 FGFA India hopes to begin inducting from 2020 onwards will cost around $100 million each. In all, India will spend upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades in its biggest-ever defence project till now.

The Indian FGFA will primarily be based on the single-seater Sukhoi T-50, the prototype of which is already flying in Russia, but will include a twin-seater version and a more powerful engine with greater thrust.

"Its complete design will be frozen by the end of the 18-month PDC. Six to seven of its prototypes should be flying by 2017. After that, there will be 2,500 hours of flight-testing over 25 months before the series production begins in 2019,'' he said.

With own 5-Gen fighter project with Russia, India not keen on US jet - The Times of India

 

[SpArK]

"Our FGFA will be cheaper than the F-35. Moreover, the intellectual property rights of the FGFA will equally and jointly vest on both India and Russia, with full access to the source code and the like,'' said another senior official.

Our stance on future acquisitions stated cut and clear.

 

[tallboy123]

NO F-35 yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[nomi007]

this offer changes the relation of pak-USA
and start a new arm race in the region

 

[SpArK]

this offer changes the relation of pak-USA
and start a new arm race in the region

Do you mean NATO will ask Pakistan to fill the void of this offer?

 

[rockstarIN]

No US jets in IAF..!!!

AMCA can be partnered with France as they are not into F-35 as AMCA engine will be a French-Kaveri collaboration.

 

[MST]

No US jets in IAF..!!!

AMCA can be partnered with France as they are not into F-35 as AMCA engine will be a French-Kaveri collaboration.

French don't have any stealth fighter project in the pipeline. Infact they have even reduced the production of Rafale to minimum just to run the production line. Economically it makes no economic sense for the French to make Stealth fighter (or co develop with India).How many of these India and France will buy? Just to make F-35 economically viable the LM wants to sell over 2500 of them and over 1000 FGFA/PAK FA is expected to be produced.

With the changing world dynamics, economic downturn and Russia no longer a threat, Europe will focus lesser and lesser on offensive weapons platforms. Most likely the 4.5 Gen Euro Canards will be the last of the platforms coming out of Europe. Any one who wants to buy 5th Gen in Europe from the NATO will buy F-35.

The only hope for AMCA is FGFA and I think for economic & technical feasability it should be a version of FGFA optimised for strike role with much higher indigenous components.

Doing this we also put all our 5th Gen eggs in one basket. So we should keep F-35 for fall back. Ideally navy should go for 4-5 Squadrons of F-35 A and F-35 C for IAC 1 and IAC-2.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

French don't have any stealth fighter project in the pipeline. Infact they have even reduced the production of Rafale to minimum just to run the production line. Economically it makes no economic sense for the French to make Stealth fighter (or co develop with India).How many of these India and France will buy? Just to make F-35 economically viable the LM wants to sell over 2500 of them and over 1000 FGFA/PAK FA is expected to be produced.

With the changing world dynamics, economic downturn and Russia no longer a threat, Europe will focus lesser and lesser on offensive weapons platforms. Most likely the 4.5 Gen Euro Canards will be the last of the platforms coming out of Europe. Any one who wants to buy 5th Gen in Europe from the NATO will buy F-35.

The only hope for AMCA is FGFA and I think for economic & technical feasability it should be a version of FGFA optimised for strike role with much higher indigenous components.

Doing this we also put all our 5th Gen eggs in one basket. So we should keep F-35 for fall back. Ideally navy should go for 4-5 Squadrons of F-35 A and F-35 C for IAC 1 and IAC-2.

If we choose Rafale as MMRCA, then there are chances of french help in AMCA project. Dont forget french people love $$$$

 

[IND151]

by WHITESMOKE

Originally Posted by MST
French don't have any stealth fighter project in the pipeline. Infact they have even reduced the production of Rafale to minimum just to run the production line. Economically it makes no economic sense for the French to make Stealth fighter (or co develop with India).How many of these India and France will buy? Just to make F-35 economically viable the LM wants to sell over 2500 of them and over 1000 FGFA/PAK FA is expected to be produced.

With the changing world dynamics, economic downturn and Russia no longer a threat, Europe will focus lesser and lesser on offensive weapons platforms. Most likely the 4.5 Gen Euro Canards will be the last of the platforms coming out of Europe. Any one who wants to buy 5th Gen in Europe from the NATO will buy F-35.

The only hope for AMCA is FGFA and I think for economic & technical feasability it should be a version of FGFA optimised for strike role with much higher indigenous components.

Doing this we also put all our 5th Gen eggs in one basket. So we should keep F-35 for fall back. Ideally navy should go for 4-5 Squadrons of F-35 A and F-35 C for IAC 1 and IAC-2.

If we choose Rafale as MMRCA, then there are chances of french help in AMCA project. Dont forget french people love $$$$

and France needs money badly because no body has purchased rafale on which French govt spent 53 billion dollars. so India has chance for negotiations.

 

[Dharmocol]

AMCA should be and will be an ingenious project,their will be no foreign participation.

We had already gained enough experience past two decades during the LCA project,add to it the PAK-FA will give India access to cutting edge know how and more technical knowledge,moreover the ToT on which India is so keen will also help out the matter.

 

[Storm Force]

India will not Buy F35 or indeed The MMRCA either ie F18/F16.

Almost guranteed eithr Typhoon Or Gripen NG will win MMRCA.

iNDIA HAS 60 YEARS OF RUSSIAN TRUST and experience.

Now That India has become the single biggest buyer of Russian hardware in the world they have good leverage in getting TOT.

pak fa will emerge a tremendous project to supplement the massive SU30MKI programme.

 

[TrMhMt]

NATO wants !!! lOl ...........

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

why did india reject such a good offer??

I mean right now American tech is better than Russian tech. And that too was F-35.