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Nato forces kill 30 ( in ) Pakistan

You forgot to put the correct caption :)

The police today raided many shops in Karkhano market Peshawar and collected these items from shops. This pic is of display by police for media persons.

And oh BTW the equipment from NATO/US forces in Afghanistan often end up in markets.

Guess how?

Some is snatched by fighters there and some is sold by the NATO/US soldiers even exchanged for getting hash ;)

some of it is also looted from the transit facilities in Peshawar....


FC recovers stolen Nato hoard - GEO.tv




actually, the U.S. had proposed new transit routes through Tajikistan & Kyrgzstan (Iran as well, believe it or not). I'm not sure what is taking them so long to do it. Perhaps they know the reality that without Pakistan's help, the situation in Afghanistan would be far more dismal.

It seems that some elements in the U.S. would not be adament to blaming Pakistan for their systematic political (and to some extent, even tactical) failures in Afghanistan. History, however will judge.

the biggest danger to Pakistan is not Afghanistan, or NATO or any of the regional stakeholders. The biggest danger is the spineless leadership sitting in Islamabad.
 
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some of it is also looted from the transit facilities in Peshawar....


FC recovers stolen Nato hoard - GEO.tv




actually, the U.S. had proposed new transit routes through Tajikistan & Kyrgzstan (Iran as well, believe it or not). I'm not sure what is taking them so long to do it. Perhaps they know the reality that without Pakistan's help, the situation in Afghanistan would be far more dismal.

It seems that some elements in the U.S. would not be adament to blaming Pakistan for their systematic political (and to some extent, even tactical) failures in Afghanistan. History, however will judge.

the biggest danger to Pakistan is not Afghanistan, or NATO or any of the regional stakeholders. The biggest danger is the spineless leadership sitting in Islamabad.

Yes some have been looted too.

And you forgot another aspect few days back the SC has ordered searching of all NATO containers going through Pakistan as per reports and SC many things they carry end up in our markets and also they are importing liquor and other stuff in the name of NATO
 
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And i one original Gloack :azn:

For how much? I got a Smith and wesson 9VE for 85K....


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Its water on the grip:) not any fault or anything....


And i got this for 95 K fro jinnah arms,Quetta:
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Jana Jan,

you will be amazed some of the things making their way to the arms bazars and markets....

you will be AMAZED some of the stories I have been told by friends and men in uniform in that general ''theatre''


Tariq Aziz-ud-Din; Former Pakistan ambassador to Afghanistan (and a former captive of the taleban) -- currently Pakistan's ambassador to Turkey --and incidentally, a former classmate of my father said it as it needed to be said:

people should question how the Taliban grew strong enough to take on NATO and U.S. forces.

“What is the source of Taliban funding and what is the source of their weapons supply?” Azizuddin said in an interview with Turkish media, the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan reported yesterday. “Nobody either talks about it or wants to talk about it.”

Pakistan Says West Must Cut Source of Taliban?s Funding, Arms - Bloomberg
 
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good looking popper, my Pak-Baluch brother.

we need to talk sometime; you should post on the ''Gun Locker thread''

I'm hoping to get a S.W. .357 magnum if I can find one. My other stuff is collecting dust in Peshawar.
 
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Nato changes stance after protest by Pakistan
By Baqir Sajjad Syed
Tuesday, 28 Sep, 2010

ISLAMABAD: Nato reversed its position on aerial strikes by its helicopter gunships inside Pakistan on Monday after Islamabad warned the US-led forces in Afghanistan of counter-measures.

International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), which had earlier defended the aerial engagement as an action ‘under the right of self-defence’, later in the evening, according to military sources, informed Pakistani commanders that they were trying to establish that their helicopters during the operation did not cross into Pakistani territory.

Isaf spokesman Capt Ryan Donald had earlier said: “The Isaf helicopters did cross into Pakistan territory to engage the insurgents. Isaf maintains the right to self-defence, and that’s why they crossed the Pakistan border.”

The strongly-worded protest communicated by Pakistan to Nato headquarters in Brussels reminded the military alliance that its mandate for operations in Afghanistan ended at Afghan border and there were no hot pursuit rules agreed with Pakistan.

Describing the cross-border air raids as ‘violation of its sovereignty and the UN mandate for coalition operations in Afghanistan’, the protest statement issued by the Foreign Office said: “In the absence of immediate corrective measures, Pakistan will be constrained to consider response options.”

(According to AFP, Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said in the statement: “These incidents are a clear violation and breach of the UN mandate under which Isaf operates.” The statement said Isaf had been asked not to participate in any military action that violated the UN mandate and infringed upon Pakistan’s sovereignty. It said Pakistan had always emphasised the need for “coordinated and joint action” against militants.)

Military sources said the message communicated to the Nato command was crystal clear that in view of declining public support for war on terror, the security of Nato supply routes through Pakistan could be threatened in the aftermath of the new air campaign.

Analysts say Pakistan could only stop US-led forces from such violations by tactfully using its leverages that largely relate to the support for war on terror and the supply routes.

Nato was asked to coordinate its actions with Pakistan military and avoid crossing the ‘red lines’ — a euphemism for Pakistani sensitivities.

More than 50 people, many of them believed to be fighters of the Haqqani network, were killed over the past couple of days in three Nato/Isaf air strikes in Pakistani tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.

Nato’s Apache helicopters were said to be ‘in hot pursuit’ of the militants crossing back into Pakistani territory to get to their sanctuaries.

The Nato attacks came after an escalation in drone strikes by the US against militant hideouts and other targets in North Waziristan, an indication that the US-led forces were changing their tactics to dismantle the militant network in the tribal region long considered to be the springboard for violence in Afghanistan.

About 20 drone strikes by unmanned Predator aircraft have taken place in September so far — the highest for a month since the Americans started using drones inside Pakistan in 2004.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Nato changes stance after protest by Pakistan
 
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Well indeed its have approval of Pakistani government so there is very less Army can do anything.

and its not the first time they are doing it

Interesting that you say that. Most people would have said that its happening because of the approval of the Pakistani Army and there is nothing that the Pakistani government can do about it.
 
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Interesting that you say that. Most people would have said that its happening because of the approval of the Pakistani Army and there is nothing that the Pakistani government can do about it.
The army is under the government's control, and Kiyani has stated that he isn't going to change that anytime soon.

No, this is allowed by the government.
 
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I don't get why Pakistanis are so angry about this raid.

That area where the raid took place is under foreign occupation of terrorists. The Pakistani flag is not flying there. Ordinary Pakistanis can't visit that area. Pakistani Soldiers can't patrol that area without get shot at.

So that is just foreign territory.

Pakistan needs to get its head out of its *** and really come to terms of what kind of country it wants to be.

Pakistan cannot control Jihadists and giving them a territory to operate goes against the very nature of Pakistan and what Jinnah intended.

Turkey won't give the PKK a region to operate out from, Jordan did it for a while and then took out the PLO in September 1970, and nor did Colombia or Algeria back down against their fight against drug and Islamic insurgents.

Pakistanis need to unite under the banner of Pakistan and re-take these hinterlands from these terrorists or keep expecting more foreign air strikes and raids in these areas.

Choice is up to Pakistan
 
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I don't get why Pakistanis are so angry about this raid.

That area where the raid took place is under foreign occupation of terrorists. The Pakistani flag is not flying there. Ordinary Pakistanis can't visit that area. Pakistani Soldiers can't patrol that area without get shot at.

So that is just foreign territory.

Pakistan needs to get its head out of its *** and really come to terms of what kind of country it wants to be.

Pakistan cannot control Jihadists and giving them a territory to operate goes against the very nature of Pakistan and what Jinnah intended.

Turkey won't give the PKK a region to operate out from, Jordan did it for a while and then took out the PLO in September 1970, and nor did Colombia or Algeria back down against their fight against drug and Islamic insurgents.

Pakistanis need to unite under the banner of Pakistan and re-take these hinterlands from these terrorists or keep expecting more foreign air strikes and raids in these areas.

Choice is up to Pakistan

It is not about whether its a fact or not. It's about what people perceive the situation as, especially the media. These kinds of instances instill fear into people. They THINK their land is being attacked and thus they feel threatened.
 
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It is not about whether its a fact or not. It's about what people perceive the situation as, especially the media. These kinds of instances instill fear into people. They THINK their land is being attacked and thus they feel threatened.

The perception of the people of Pakistan is irrelevant. Majority of Pakistanis are un-educated, illiterate and have been brought up a consumption of conspiracy theories, racial stereotypes and religious macho-ism and no amount of American Aid can cure.

Its only the Pakistani Military and its Commanders which are mostly secular, educated, literate and quite savvy in their world view which matters. They are still on fence as whether to totally back the Americans in their fight with the Taliban or wait out the Americans and then back the Taliban in their take over of Afghanistan.

America needs to make a pledge to Pakistan that it will not abandon Pakistan like it did in 1989, but make a deal like it did with Egypt-Israel in which both nations got American military aid and weaponry. Only then will the Pakistani Military full back Anti-Taliban efforts.
 
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The perception of the people of Pakistan is irrelevant. Majority of Pakistanis are un-educated, illiterate and have been brought up a consumption of conspiracy theories, racial stereotypes and religious macho-ism and no amount of American Aid can cure.

Its only the Pakistani Military and its Commanders which are mostly secular, educated, literate and quite savvy in their world view which matters. They are still on fence as whether to totally back the Americans in their fight with the Taliban or wait out the Americans and then back the Taliban in their take over of Afghanistan.

America needs to make a pledge to Pakistan that it will not abandon Pakistan like it did in 1989, but make a deal like it did with Egypt-Israel in which both nations got American military aid and weaponry. Only then will the Pakistani Military full back Anti-Taliban efforts.

I understand what you are saying. I was simply replying to why Pakistan was condemning this so fiercely. It's a political necessity to show that they are taking a average Pakistani's concerns at heart and delude any significant outcry.
 
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The army is under the government's control, and Kiyani has stated that he isn't going to change that anytime soon.

No, this is allowed by the government.

i am laughing on your statement "Army is Under the Goverment's Control" :rofl:
 
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I don't get why Pakistanis are so angry about this raid.

That area where the raid took place is under foreign occupation of terrorists. The Pakistani flag is not flying there. Ordinary Pakistanis can't visit that area. Pakistani Soldiers can't patrol that area without get shot at.

So that is just foreign territory.

Pakistan needs to get its head out of its *** and really come to terms of what kind of country it wants to be.

Pakistan cannot control Jihadists and giving them a territory to operate goes against the very nature of Pakistan and what Jinnah intended.

Turkey won't give the PKK a region to operate out from, Jordan did it for a while and then took out the PLO in September 1970, and nor did Colombia or Algeria back down against their fight against drug and Islamic insurgents.

Pakistanis need to unite under the banner of Pakistan and re-take these hinterlands from these terrorists or keep expecting more foreign air strikes and raids in these areas.

Choice is up to Pakistan

fata was beyond pakistani govt control from the very beginning, and terming the people live there as jehadists, r u confused pal, about talibs and the locals who live there??? are u saying people locals there are terrorists and should be wiped off?


it has been a semi soverign land from 60 years and you are crying now, that it should be under control?? and why u dont speak about makbuza kashmir, which is also part of pakistan but forcible taken by india? pakistan government gave some part of kashmir to china aswell, whats your opinion on this?
 
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