NATO Attacks Pakistani Check-post

[A1Kaid]

Just 2 soilders fired in reply of copters, no it isn't good sign, but a worst sign. our fighters should ve chase those helis no matter they ve to enter Afghan territory. As i said in other thread that Pakistanis need action not useless statements.

Yeah your right....Should have made those helos land...

 

[AAtish]

Funny, for the last couple of pages, everyone is talking BS about army and military and how they are not taking actions against NATO forces, aren't you forgetting that PA has to have an ORDER to act from Democratic govt., the only other ways is to impose Martial Law and take matters into their own hands.. and then the SAME PEOPLE who are talking rubbish now are going to talk rubbish against Martial Law.. Pathetic!!!.. These few dont' get happy either way..

 

[rajusri]

Pakistan lodges ‘strong protest’ over Nato violation


The Pakistan army lodged a “strong protest” with Nato in Afghanistan over what it said was a violation of Pakistani air space by two helicopters, a military statement said.

The military condemned the violation and has requested for a flag meeting with Nato officials, DawnNews quoted ISPR spokesman Athar Abbas as saying.

They are still condemning! Next time do not shout on others.

 

[AAtish]

They are still condemning! Next time do not shout on others.

they are still condemning cuz of people who'll bark later about retaliation.. Making the case mate, making the case.. At the end, it will be taken to UN, just like few times when someone else ran when Pakistan retaliated

 

[AstanoshKhan]

Funny, for the last couple of pages, everyone is talking BS about army and military and how they are not taking actions against NATO forces, aren't you forgetting that PA has to have an ORDER to act from Democratic govt., the only other ways is to impose Martial Law and take matters into their own hands.. and then the SAME PEOPLE who are talking rubbish now are going to talk rubbish against Martial Law.. Pathetic!!!.. These few dont' get happy either way..

I dont get it. When it comes to taking over a civilian government and completely disregarding the constitution, the Army General assumes a responsibility against his national duty which is to protect our borders terming it the Doctrine of Necessity. When it comes to protecting our borders and doing their duty for which they are paid and on which our 70% budget is spent, then they wait for the orders of the President. Why are they hesitant to take over the Govt? They can take the help of SC and overthrow the present Govt. and bring in one of their own to steer them into the right direction. This way the international community won't mourn on implementing the Martial Law as well.

 

[53fd]

I dont get it. When it comes to taking over a civilian government and completely disregarding the constitution, the Army General assumes a responsibility against his national duty which is to protect our borders terming it the Doctrine of Necessity. When it comes to protecting our borders and doing their duty for which they are paid and on which our 70% budget is spent, then they wait for the orders of the President. Why are they hesitant to take over the Govt? They can take the help of SC and overthrow the present Govt. and bring in one of their own to steer them into the right direction. This way the international community won't mourn on implementing the Martial Law as well.

Yes, you clearly don't get it. Let me explain it to you. The government is a sell-out, on the payroll of the US. The Air Chief clearly said that if the civilian government gave the go-head to bring the drones down, they would bring them down right away. Remember, what he said was not whimsical, but an official statement made in the parliament of Pakistan in a 10 hour session. Unlike the military, the civilian government has not even once (in public or private) condemned the drone strikes against innocent civilians. This is the reason why the US government has been saying nice things about Zardari & the civilian government, but are really going after the Pakistan Army (Defense Forces) & the ISI. The US doesn't want the Zardari government toppled over as it get everything it wants from it.

 

[rajusri]

they are still condemning cuz of people who'll bark later about retaliation.. Making the case mate, making the case.. At the end, it will be taken to UN, just like few times when someone else ran when Pakistan retaliated

NATO will go to UN against Pakistan's retaliation! lol Are you dreaming or what? They started unilateral drone attacks and raid inside Pakistan, they do not care what you do.

 

[anon45]

A Nato helicopter based in Afghanistan intruded into Pakistan's North Waziristan region on Tuesday, wounding two troops, local intelligence officials said, adding to tensions between Islamabad and the west.

"It happened early morning," a Pakistani intelligence official in the region, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "The helicopter hit a Pakistani checkpost on the border in the Datta Khel area."

Another intelligence official said several Pakistani helicopters took off from Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan, towards the site of the attack. The purpose of the Pakistani mobilisation was unclear.

The Pakistani military was unavailable for immediate comment.

Lieutenant Commander Colette Murphy, a spokeswoman for the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), said in Kabul that the coalition was aware of the reports and was looking into them.

North Waziristan is the base of the Haqqani network blamed for the insurgency in eastern Afghanistan. US-led drone aircraft have repeatedly targeted the area over the past year.

Many militants, including foreign fighters loyal to al-Qaida, are based in Datta Khel. It is a stronghold of fighters loyal to Hafiz Gul Bahadur and has been a frequent target of US drone strikes .

Pakistan's Express 24/7 television channel said the checkpost was right on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It quoted officials as saying that the helicopters were just about to intrude into Pakistani territory when aerial gunshots were fired. They subsequently moved back but fired a retaliatory shot which released rubble from the nearby mountains and wounded the security personnel.
The reported incursion came a day after unmanned US drone aircraft fired missiles in Datta Khel, killing 12 militants, Pakistani officials said.

An intelligence official said that one of the dead militants, an Arab, was the son of an al-Qaida operative identified as Abu Kashif. There was no way to verify the death toll. Militants often dispute official accounts of drone attacks.

Relations between the US and Pakistan have been pushed almost to breaking point after the secret 2 May raid on Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden, embarrassing and humiliating the powerful Pakistani army and intelligence service.

In late January, the undercover CIA contractor Raymond Davis killed two Pakistanis in Lahore, resulting in a six-week standoff over diplomatic immunity. While on 30 September two Pakistani soldiers were killed and four wounded when Nato helicopters crossed the border while pursuing insurgents. Pakistan retaliated by shutting down the supply route for Nato troops in Afghanistan.

Washington sees the rugged border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan as a critical battleground against al-Qaida and the Taliban.

is this confirmed or is it false? If true it would seem to be Murphy's law rather than friendly fire. (Warning shot that hits side of mountain and unintentionally causes landslide etc.)

 

[HongWu]

NATO chopper attacks Pakistani post - USATODAY.com

When will China act? PLA should conduct military exercises with Pakistan along with the Afghanistan border right away and deploy HQ-9 SAMs to defend Pakistan against USA air strikes.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

Yes, you clearly don't get it. Let me explain it to you. The government is a sell-out, on the payroll of the US. The Air Chief clearly said that if the civilian government gave the go-head to bring the drones down, they would bring them down right away. Remember, what he said was not whimsical, but an official statement made in the parliament of Pakistan in a 10 hour session. Unlike the military, the civilian government has not even once (in public or private) condemned the drone strikes against innocent civilians. This is the reason why the US government has been saying nice things about Zardari & the civilian government, but are really going after the Pakistan Army (Defense Forces) & the ISI. The US doesn't want the Zardari government toppled over as it get everything it wants from it.

Bilal
What stops PA from overthrowing the Govt then? It can only mean Kiyani and Co too are working for the American interests. Yaar it's sooo confusing, you don't know who to trust and you never know who is on Pakistan's side - the Army or the Govt or both of them complicit in it's destruction. The Govt. for sure is not working for Pakistan's benefit but I certainly have doubts about Army, or else they'd have toppled the Govt. long ago.

 

[Abu Basit]

Try getting your out of that seat in an air conditioned room and defend your homeland with your life for 24 hours and you will cry for them.

Try convincing the coward Army to stand up and defend the country and inshaAllah the nation will fight with them.

 

[AAtish]

I dont get it. When it comes to taking over a civilian government and completely disregarding the constitution, the Army General assumes a responsibility against his national duty which is to protect our borders terming it the Doctrine of Necessity. When it comes to protecting our borders and doing their duty for which they are paid and on which our 70% budget is spent, then they wait for the orders of the President. Why are they hesitant to take over the Govt? They can take the help of SC and overthrow the present Govt. and bring in one of their own to steer them into the right direction. This way the international community won't mourn on implementing the Martial Law as well.

I think everyone is forgetting Kiyani's statement in 2008 that Army is not going to interfere in Democratic Govt.'s policies and decision as PA has already aquired BAD name due to its involvements and Martial Laws in the past.. so now, if something is happening, blame it on Politicians, until they give an Order for PA to bring down everything foreign if it is in Pakistan's air space, no one can blame PA or PAF..

 

[Xeric]

Hey hey, let's tone down this 'take over' and overthrowing the govt BS. We have already seen many military rules and they didnt bring much guud to our country. Also if the govt is toppled now, with increased awareness levels among the Nation and more power among the populace because of media and stuff, it would be a hard task to take sides for many of us. Moreover, even if the military take control then these thug politicians would carve out yet another excuse for their ineptness and would again be aspiring for kursi in the next elections, if they ever happen after the military rule. Also, the military being committed on the western border and with the US protruding inside our border more than ever, we cant commit the military to run the country, and why should we? The Army has already done what you guys have longed for since ever - the Army listening to the elected representatives. Now it is up to you and those whom you have voted to find a way forward. Fighting amongst ourselves would only make it difficult for us. The only thing left to be done is that having seen the ineptness of the present scoundrels, we must make sure that they are not elected again, that's it.

BTW, even though a resolution was passed during the in camera briefing, did the military receive executive orders to bring down drones? Even if t did, i dont know of any. And yes, i am loving my signatures.

 

[53fd]

Bilal
What stops PA from overthrowing the Govt then? It can only mean Kiyani and Co too are working for the American interests. Yaar it's sooo confusing, you don't know who to trust and you never know who is on Pakistan's side - the Army or the Govt or both of them complicit in it's destruction. The Govt. for sure is not working for Pakistan's benefit but I certainly have doubts about Army, or else they'd have toppled the Govt. long ago.

The US is trying very hard not to topple the Zardari government, as it is getting whatever it wants from his regime without any interferences from the Army. Hussain Haqqani issued 7092 visas to Americans recently without doing any background checks, without any interferences of the Military. The Army is on a tight leash since the OBL raid, & if they try to overthrow the civilian government, they will effectively be rendered a terrorist organization. They are already accused of harboring OBL as it is. The civilian government is still being praised, not criticized. However, the Army & the intelligence are being mercilessly attacked by the West, & it's all clear to see.

 

[AAtish]

Bilal
What stops PA from overthrowing the Govt then? It can only mean Kiyani and Co too are working for the American interests. Yaar it's sooo confusing, you don't know who to trust and you never know who is on Pakistan's side - the Army or the Govt or both of them complicit in it's destruction. The Govt. for sure is not working for Pakistan's benefit but I certainly have doubts about Army, or else they'd have toppled the Govt. long ago.

Can i give an example?? okay here it goes.. (even though some of you said NO)

When you want to remove cancer, you operate, body suffers for some time and then it heals to new heights..

PA is doing exactly the same, People use to talk a lot about "If politicians and democratic govt. is allowed more than 2 years, Pakistan would be better place"

Now its been 3 and a half years.. do you still want THESE politicians?