NATO Attacks Pakistani Check-post

[Abu Basit]

Totally disgusting to see our men gutted by Nato forces who have stood in harms way in the fight against terror... I don't understand when these incidents happen, why don't they shoot back and kill a few of theirs as well? Its our backyard, shoot missiles if you have to but do kill anyone being hostile.

fear syndrome otherwise i don't see the reason why they don't respond back, killing a couple of American garbage will not bring dooms day.

 

[Abu Basit]

Of course they can do that, as long as they are also ready for the inevitable consequences, right?

yeah the inevitable consequences, like ????

 

[nForce]

that is the point exactly. To be a Muslim you have to follow the rules and regulations mentioned in the religion of Islam. If you fail to do so; you are no Muslim. .

Very few Muslim will be left in Pakistan then.I am not saying that all Pakistanis are alcoholic,but,going by this rule,who ever has a bank account is not a Muslim....

 

[khanz]

Official apologies as well as reservations were built to preserve their culture. Can the same thing be said about Buddhists, Zorastrians, African Tribal religions, Hindus, Egyptian Polytheists and other religions that were crushed by these jihadis? No? I thought so

lol wow you pretty much genocide their entire race,infected them with diseases,steal all their land and give them a few reservations when nearly the entire continent belonged to them and act like that makes up for it.
Unlike the north american continent the native inhabitants of all these now muslim areas are all alive and still have their own countries,culture,customs,languages- buddhist indus valley sites are still standing in pakistan,sites in egypt still there ,persians still the largest ethnic group in iran and their sites are still there but they are a different religion today can north america say the same how many native americans are actually left alive today ? do any of them have the same land they did before the white man came ? no ? thought so.
The funny thing is i'm not even religious and i'm one of the few pakistanis who often puts aside religion and is objective and acknowledges the arab muslim conquests as INVADERS coz they were not natives and I have no shame in admitting that my ancestors were probably hindu(i'm not one of those lame pakistanis that claim fake arab/persian/turk heritage and think there was nothing in pakistan before bin qasim arrived) but it's just funny to me to hear out of all people an american ragging on muslims and talking about others destroying native cultures and religions -I find it highly ironic.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Totally disgusting to see our men gutted by Nato forces who have stood in harms way in the fight against terror... I don't understand when these incidents happen, why don't they shoot back and kill a few of theirs as well? Its our backyard, shoot missiles if you have to but do kill anyone being hostile.

sir,
they "DO" shoot back and that’s one of the reasons used by NATO forces in the past for firing at our troops
these incidents are unfortunate and affect morale but armies don’t operate one mere emotions being shown on this thread.

our commanders will investigate and demand explanations from NATO forces for this incident and then decide about reaction.
don’t forget that terrorists would always try to benefit from such incidents and may actually lead the two forces to a point where the cross fire might result in the casualties of Pak Army & ISAF, the terrorist might have done it already.

if it is established that the attacks were deliberate and premeditated then this would just give Pakistan reason to scale back its support and retaliate far more strongly next time. E.g. deploying anti aircraft weapons to act as a deterrent from any misadventure but this will be last resort and actually declaration of hostilities, a decision which our government would have to take.

 

[Abu Basit]

sir,

our commanders will investigate and demand explanations from NATO forces for this incident and then decide about reaction.
don’t forget that terrorists would always try to benefit from such incidents and may actually lead the two forces to a point where the cross fire might result in the casualties of Pak Army & ISAF, the terrorist might have done it already.

as if they gonna give us explanations and please drop the word 'demand' as this word has lost it's worth in our case.

 

[NALANDA]

Khanz..are you male or fenmale? Why do lot of Pakistani members on the forum have girl picture or girly name?

sorry to be off topic

 

[Spring Onion]

the question is, what our military doing in return ? holding flowers in hand to welcome them and to return remaining stuff left behind respectfully.
is that what they call mutual cooperation ?

we all ready know these things,

sitting away from that area you guys can only imagine and post angry abuses. But if you come here and check that its 4am or 5 and their jets just bombard you while you are sleeping and they run away tell me how much time the ground forces have to fire on the jets ??

when its ground shelling from NATO/US forces from Afghanistan on our check posts then we also do retaliate.

but from now on they should be alert and do activate AA guns

 

[StormShadow]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistani ground troops opened fire on two NATO helicopters that crossed into Pakistan’s airspace from Afghanistan early Tuesday morning, the Pakistani Army said in a statement. A firefight then briefly erupted between NATO forces and the troops, the statement said, and two Pakistani soldiers were wounded.

The clash took place at Admi Kot Post in the North Waziristan tribal region of Pakistan, an area that American officials have long regarded as a haven used by militants to mount attacks against coalition forces inside Afghanistan. NATO officials said they were looking into the incident, and could not immediately confirm whether the helicopters had indeed entered Pakistan’s airspace.

The exchange of fire between NATO and Pakistani forces appeared likely to worsen frictions between Pakistan and the United States. The Pakistani Army “lodged a strong protest and demanded a flag meeting,” the statement stated, referring to a meeting between officials from Pakistan and NATO.

Last September, Pakistan shut down for more than a week the land route through Pakistan that NATO uses to supply its forces in Afghanistan, after two Pakistani paramilitary soldiers were killed in a similar border clash.

Tuesday’s clash comes as Pakistan’s prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, traveled to Beijing. Analysts said that visit was meant to signal to the United States that Pakistan sees China as an alternative source of security and economic aid.

On Monday, Senator John Kerry met with top civil and military leaders in Pakistan in an effort to smooth the fraying relations between the two countries in the wake of the American raid by forces that killed Osama Bin Laden. The Pakistani parliament in a closed-door session last week urged the government to renew and revisit its terms of engagement with the United States. It also warned that it might sever supply lines to coalition forces in Afghanistan if there were further unilateral incursions.

Drone attacks, which are operated by the C.I.A., not by the NATO-led coalition force, are highly unpopular in Pakistan. Nationalist and right-wing Islamist political parties regularly denounce the use of drone attacks inside Pakistani territory. Government officials who in the past privately approved the use of drones have lately been joining the chorus of public criticism.

Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s leading spy organization, also maintains that it has stopped cooperating with the United States in choosing targets for drone attacks.

At the same time, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, the Pakistani Army chief, has resisted American pressure to launch a military operation in North Waziristan, a stronghold of the Haqqani network, whose militants cross into Afghanistan to battle American and NATO soldiers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/18/world/asia/18pakistan.html?_r=1
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Exchanging fire is not a small thing. They come, they fire, they kill/wound and they go. And, they want supply lines intact! Wow...

 

[Emran]

Really sorry to say this..But Its pity that we are criticzing our own Pakistan Army like anything...and our enemies (indians) are enjoying our hatred towards our own Army...We are totally forgetting the sacrifices of our shahuda...and that is what indians are good at..They will keep on adding furl to the fire..n will make fun of our army bcz we are providing them a chance...I wonder when we will learn to own our institutionx..

 

[Abu Basit]

sitting away from that area you guys can only imagine and post angry abuses. But if you come here and check that its 4am or 5 and their jets just bombard you while you are sleeping and they run away tell me how much time the ground forces have to fire on the jets ??

Can somebody explain me what is PAF, what's it's role?

and this 4-5 am is just hilarious~ ok let us be than mentally prepared that the enemy can bombard us at 4-5am as our forces are on break at this hour.

 

[muse]

Excellent, blame the Indian - Nato does the attack, Blame the Indian, the Pakistan Fauj refuses to arm it's men to defend themselves, the Pakistan Fauj plays a game against the civilian government and international obligations -- and it's all the Indian's fault.

Oh, yes, there are "shuhadah" to think of - now which ones are these, the ones blowing up the Pakistani civilians and Faujis or the just the Fauji?

As long as some remain trapped in Islamist mindset, Muslims will continue to suffer, even if they imagine that it's they who have a army and not an army that has them.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

as if they gonna give us explanations and please drop the word 'demand' as this word has lost it's worth in our case.

if that helps you in anyway then i hope that in the next meeting the Pakistanis "request" more details behind the reasons that led to NATO forces firing at Pakistani post.
like highlighted by other people and in other news. our forces are not silent either and do fire back recently there were some Afghan forces casualties due to this firing.

its not a contest among these two forces as you and some others see it. I am afraid that both NATO and Pakistani forces wont go down the route which some people are hoping and advocating.

 

[muse]

But why does Pakistan have to "demand or Request" details from others - we have our own troops there, they know what this was about, right?? But trust your own experience, when has the Pakistan Fauj ever, done a factual investigation and has let the chips fall where they may - honestly, when??

So, just relax, accept these are other "human sacrifices" of the Pakistan Fauj to the it's own machinations - one day we will be free of this tyrant and traitorous Fauj, and that day we will be free of the Islamist scourge as well.

 

[Black Widow]

Really sorry to say this..But Its pity that we are criticzing our own Pakistan Army like anything...and our enemies (indians) are enjoying our hatred towards our own Army...We are totally forgetting the sacrifices of our shahuda...and that is what indians are good at..They will keep on adding furl to the fire..n will make fun of our army bcz we are providing them a chance...I wonder when we will learn to own our institutionx..

You have to be practical or live in wonderland... Today is information age, your criticize or praise will not change the truth...

Today I read one of the best comment of pakistani member "capability of PAF",