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WTH ....20 % fake votes ..........u cant say its rigging ............its pre-planned election .........RIP Democracy
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The authentication was supposed to happen via Magnetic ink. We all saw how that was sabotaged and thrown out the window.I am super confused. Are you saying that no one thought that there wouldn't be bogus votes? No, that wasn't the issue. EVERYONE and their dog knows there are ALWAYS some problems with votes, specially in countries like Pakistan. If you were to believe that some votes didn't have questionable authentication, AND you live in Pakistan, I am sorry, but I don't know what to call you.
The reason you've seen my posts and all, have NOTHING to do with the votes. It is against the IK's violent stance that separates Pakistan, gets people killed and pushes Pakistan behind.
If he was to choose the right way to go about it, without getting innocents killed, people's lives disrupted and violence with economic destruction, I would have NEVER written ONE post about it. However, his violent and anti-Pakistani stance is what I am against. And so are a few other people. I've said it repeatedly and you guys doing propaganda don't wan to read it, it doesn't matter to me whether IK or NS is in power. If you have issues, go to the Parliament. Protest INSIDE the Parliament, don't get people killed. Don't take money from other nations and nationalists to separate Pakistan to build a Pashtnistan. That's what I am against!
Oh really? Your posts have had everything to do with the votes. Did you not say that PMLN won fairly? Did you not say that Imran Khan is lying about the rigging? You did, which means you talked about the votes. Don't run from it like that.my posts and all, have NOTHING to do with the votes.
The fact that you wrote posts about it on Jul 26, 2014, months before the protest or violence, in this thread, calling IK a liar and drunk and saying that the elections were fair shows that this statement is a lie.If he was to choose the right way to go about it, without getting innocents killed, people's lives disrupted and violence with economic destruction, I would have NEVER written ONE post about it.
You condemn us (PTI supporters) for believing in conspiracy theories (which, incidentally, are being proven true), while you yourself throw around completely baseless garbage like this.Don't take money from other nations and nationalists to separate Pakistan to build a Pashtnistan.
@Jzaib and @Leader
tell me this
my question to PTI
why you guys are so naive and utterly stupid
do you think this Noora league will leave any evidence that can implicate it? when it has the administration and judiciary under its foot then wont it destroy the ballots? there might be flooding or mysterious fire? or best of all... ALL ballots might contain votes ONLY and ONLY casted to Nawaz league?
you guys are babies , kids thinking Nawaz will play fair? Noora league will ban access to the real votes.. they might be sunk in the Ravi already. you guys are beating the bush.
or maybe I am over reacting and stating something impossible,
well I am sorry
how about this
even if a miracle happens and all the evidence is intact and indeed as per sample 27000 votes are found to be fake, duplicate or wrong then what? who will have the authority to take action?
FYI, the national assembly speaker has already filed defamation and contempt of court case against the judge that ordered the opening of ballot boxes and recounting of his votes
Saad Rafq, Khaja Asif, Talal CH, Pervaiz Rashid, Mushahid Ullah and Abid Sherali will all mock you in the end when the recounting will show that 200% votes were casted to Nawaz league.
The authentication was supposed to happen via Magnetic ink. We all saw how that was sabotaged and thrown out the window.
Oh really? Your posts have had everything to do with the votes. Did you not say that PMLN won fairly? Did you not say that Imran Khan is lying about the rigging? You did, which means you talked about the votes. Don't run from it like that.
The fact that you wrote posts about it on Jul 26, 2014, months before the protest or violence, in this thread, calling IK a liar and drunk and saying that the elections were fair shows that this statement is a lie.
You condemn us (PTI supporters) for believing in conspiracy theories (which, incidentally, are being proven true), while you yourself throw around completely baseless garbage like this.
The height of hypocrisy.
Personally i don't believe it will lead to any immediate results. The rigging will be proven and exposed, to some extent, adding to the public's resentment of the corrupt leeches sitting in parliament. The PTI's protest may die down, or perhaps it would eventually be extinguished by the status quo parties, but Nawaz Sharif's days are numbered. He and politicians like him won't last long with the level of awareness spreading in Pakistan now.@taimur12 Could I ask you what you think of this post by Irfan Baloch? Do you agree that PTI supporters are being naive and stupid in thinking that their attempt to get rigging investigated will lead to any results?
Thank you!
Unlike yours, my label (for you) has solid basis. I haven't twisted anything around. And the entire campaign? It's true and you are lying, like I proved here, here, here, here, here, here and here. And you ran away from all of these arguments.Well the height of hypocrisy comes from your post or may be the height of illogical, on purpose brain shut down at the least. Let's review what I've written (which just LIKE your Greed-er for power, you'll twist and turn in the way you want and try to prove it true, like the entire campaign).
In this entire rant, all you have basically said is thatThe "authentication with magnetic ink", I like the idea but you and I BOTH know that there will be some margin of error, corruption and all. SPECIALLY in Pakistan. There is NO such thing as a Corruption Free Society. Its a part of some books and it doesn't exist.
Let me tell you how this process works (and of course, show you the logic and statistics behind this). But, the issue with votes, is that even with the margin of error that exists ACROSS the world. You have to see how big the margin is. For example, if there were total votes like 1000, and out of which, 5 or 10% (as defined by any election commission), were inaccurate, corrupted or questionable, that's a part of the situation. However, if 40% of those votes were bogus, well, the election was rigged as the margin of error would actually turn the poll in ONE party's favor. So, obviously, the person losing this should request for a recount, investigation and then a reelection if the margin of error far exceeds the normal threshold.
I have YET to see ANYONE of you actually talk about it. I've not seen IK having this knowledge either. So....when you don't know how the process works, how do you go about claiming rigging? Everything in this world requires a margin of error, within which, you don't offset any result seriously. And that's acceptable, beyond the threshold, it is abnormal and produces wrong results. So, where did IK say, based on election commissions criteria, the X is considered normal, Y is "rigging"??? To him, without knowing the process, everything is rigging!! And what if, you take out the questionable votes and IK's opponents still win by a large margin????
How is any of that relevant? Who cares about Musharraf and Asharwaria, that's irrelevant now.I've personally drank with IK and seen a lot as to what he does. I know Zardari and his British women, I also know Musharraff's lust for Ashwria Rao when she was made a "State Guest of Pakistan" for a week and then he used to go meet her in Dubai.
Says the guy who lies after every two sentences. I've already established how trustworthy you are, so cut this BS.TRUST ME,
Reading a few gossip articles and propaganda doesn't make you an expert, so stop showing off this worthless 'knowledge'.there is a LOT that I know
That is false.I also know NS and his team were just as corrupted as IK and Zardari back in 90's. I ALSO know that since they came in for the past 2 years, they've not done ANY big corruption as every project is audited by multiple entities internationally to keep their name clean.
Then why did PMLN oppose an investigation? Why did they hide behind stay orders?If you take out 4 or 20 seats that IK claims, the NS team STILL runs the government.
Imran Khan wanted exactly that, and that is what he demanded for the first fourteen months. He was constantly sidelined, ignored, blocked by stay orders and generally sabotaged. No bloodbath, that is a bullsh!t over-exaggeration you are using to make my argument easier to attack, also known as the strawman fallacy.Whoever won (from the mere 4 or 20 seats), should be sent to jail and then the reelection should happen ON THOSE seats only. That is where you and your IK instead want to blood bath the country through violence and that's simply not acceptable.
More of that strawman bullsh!t. When your perfectly legitimate demands for investigation and electoral reform are constantly blocked and sidelined for fourteen months, you have a right to protest. The only ones causing violence here are PMLN, blocking entire cities with containers and firing on unarmed protesters.When you have a conspiracy theory that says "we may have 4 (or 20 seats) wrongfully won. Instead of getting these corrected, we want the prime minister and the government to resign and then re-election happen or else we'll attack the parliament and shut down the country"........you BET others will have an issue with it. Heck, if you read this paragraph yourself three times, I am sure you, yourself will have an issue with this as it is illogical to threaten to use force and bring down a running country.
Yes, unlike my 'propagande'. That's because my 'propagande' is backed by facts and the truth, as opposed to your racist garbage.Unlike your propagande
Yes, yes , links. Links to one article that doesn't say what you are saying and a wikipedia link that, again, says none of what you're saying.I've provided some links to Pashtunistan also
There are flags, symbols and anthems for a Reptillian Illuminati out there too. Doesn't make it any more real.There is its anthem, national symbol and even flag and all out there.
Bull. What every conversation? I've talked to pashtuns about Pakistan dozens of time. Not one of them brought up any Pashtunistan. You are spreading racist propaganda here.In almost EVERY conversation about Pakistan, the Pashtun population makes a point how they used to "rule the area" and how they want Afghanistan to become a part of the greater Pashtunistan empire, and that the Punjabis don't treat the Pashtuns right, therefor, the Pastunistan.
Source? Give me as ource that says it is because of some 'pashtunistan'. If it is happening, that's because of the regular Terrorism. Not any pashtunistan. You are using completely unrelated stuff to back your absurd and racist conspiracy theory.Also, your military leadership just asked all law enforcement services to watch Pakistani citizen with duel nationalities coming from the West and the Middle East specially as they've identified serious cash flow from your own dual citizens into these extremists based, separatist organizations.
And when did I bring this up? When its about IK you'll gladly bring up his alleged drinking from twenty years ago, but when it is about Nawaz Sharif's millions upon millions dollars worth corruption from twenty years ago, you acknowledge it and then disregard it completely. Hypocrite.Also, I don't think anyone here disagrees that IK used to drink. Everyone knows his past. Heck, I am a witness, he loved Jack Daniels. In Pakistan, it used to be Black Label Whiskey.
Protesting is a democratic right. When injustice becomes law, opposing that law is perfectly justified.The system should NEVER be brought down with violence, force and threats.
Yeah, yeah, the parliament that would rather legalize child marriages and oppose electoral reform than do anything of use to the country. Protesting is perfectly peaceful. Thank God people like Nelson Mandela didn't listen to fools like you, imagine the world we'd be living in now if that was the case.Use the Parliament and other peaceful methods to make your point and educate people.
Total Bull. Pakistanis with POLITICAL DIFFERENCES will NOT form AN ETHNIC DIVIDE. PTI has massive support from Punjabis, Sindhis, Karachiites and people from every other ethnicity. Your theory is illogical and racist.When Pakistanis with differences can't live together.....Pashtunistan is born and IK would be the leader of it
No, when you see a spade you call it a grand Pashtun conspiracy to destroy the world.If I see a Spade, I'll call it a Spade.
Why you are getting over excited and making too much noises by tagging us. We dont support PML(N) blindly in everything they do. We dont blindly worship every MNAs or MPAs of PML(N) and neither we consider them holly or saints who cannot do curruption or wrong doings. If crimes get prove in court of law then i personally will happy if they get banned for life time. Also some bogus votes in one constituency dont nullify the whole election. It was your Ik who never trusted Nadra and election commission and went for sit ins long marches and shut down routes but now you guys are jumping up and down because nadra finding was accoding to your accusations. If you had trusted in these institutions then why took different plans A, B, C and D?280 votes out of 1254 votes checked have been found to be fake while 12 people at PS-98 have been reported to have cast their votes twice.
@Proudpakistaniguy @WishLivePak @SBD-3 @cb4
yaar kuch sharam ati ha ab???? u supported this guy? then u do propoganda against imran khan for standing up for the rights on Pakistanis
@taimur12 Could I ask you what you think of this post by Irfan Baloch? Do you agree that PTI supporters are being naive and stupid in thinking that their attempt to get rigging investigated will lead to any results?
Thank you!
@Jzaib and @Leader
tell me this
my question to PTI
why you guys are so naive and utterly stupid
do you think this Noora league will leave any evidence that can implicate it? when it has the administration and judiciary under its foot then wont it destroy the ballots? there might be flooding or mysterious fire? or best of all... ALL ballots might contain votes ONLY and ONLY casted to Nawaz league?
you guys are babies , kids thinking Nawaz will play fair? Noora league will ban access to the real votes.. they might be sunk in the Ravi already. you guys are beating the bush.
or maybe I am over reacting and stating something impossible,
well I am sorry
how about this
even if a miracle happens and all the evidence is intact and indeed as per sample 27000 votes are found to be fake, duplicate or wrong then what? who will have the authority to take action?
FYI, the national assembly speaker has already filed defamation and contempt of court case against the judge that ordered the opening of ballot boxes and recounting of his votes
Saad Rafq, Khaja Asif, Talal CH, Pervaiz Rashid, Mushahid Ullah and Abid Sherali will all mock you in the end when the recounting will show that 200% votes were casted to Nawaz league.
@Jzaib and @Leader
tell me this
my question to PTI
why you guys are so naive and utterly stupid
do you think this Noora league will leave any evidence that can implicate it? when it has the administration and judiciary under its foot then wont it destroy the ballots? there might be flooding or mysterious fire? or best of all... ALL ballots might contain votes ONLY and ONLY casted to Nawaz league?
you guys are babies , kids thinking Nawaz will play fair? Noora league will ban access to the real votes.. they might be sunk in the Ravi already. you guys are beating the bush.
or maybe I am over reacting and stating something impossible,
well I am sorry
how about this
even if a miracle happens and all the evidence is intact and indeed as per sample 27000 votes are found to be fake, duplicate or wrong then what? who will have the authority to take action?
FYI, the national assembly speaker has already filed defamation and contempt of court case against the judge that ordered the opening of ballot boxes and recounting of his votes
Saad Rafq, Khaja Asif, Talal CH, Pervaiz Rashid, Mushahid Ullah and Abid Sherali will all mock you in the end when the recounting will show that 200% votes were casted to Nawaz league.
Why you are getting over excited and making too much noises by tagging us. We dont support PML(N) blindly in everything they do. We dont blindly worship every MNAs or MPAs of PML(N) and neither we consider them holly or saints who cannot do curruption or wrong doings. If crimes get prove in court of law then i personally will happy if they get banned for life time. Also some bogus votes in one constituency dont nullify the whole election. It was your Ik who never trusted Nadra and election commission and went for sit ins long marches and shut down routes but now you guys are jumping up and down because nadra finding was accoding to your accusations. If you had trusted in these institutions then why took different plans A, B, C and D?
And what we will say about this finding of Nadra?
Over 122,000 votes “unidentified” in PTI’s Tareen’s constituency
The National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA) has declared over 122,000 votes cast in constituency NA-154 Lodhran as “unidentified” besides disclosing that 728 persons cast their votes more than once.
This was revealed in a NADRA report which will be presented before an election tribunal in Multan on November 6 during the hearing of a petition filed by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Secretary General Jahangir Tareen against alleged rigging in the constituency. Tareen had lost the General Elections 2013 which he had contested from NA-154.
Sources said that per the report, 218,000 votes were cast in NA-154 during General Elections 2013 out of which 122,553 votes have been declared “unidentified”, while 728 voters exercised their right to vote more than once.
The report states that only 73,000 votes have been verified so far while 189 votes were found to have been cast by people whose thumb impressions did not match the thumb impressions present in their records. Ballot boxes of 14 polling stations were not found available.
And this
Rigging proved in PS-93, PTI's Hafeez Uddin de-seated | Pakistan | Dunya News
na Nawaz sharif is expert in electoral riggingWTH ....20 % fake votes ..........u cant say its rigging ............its pre-planned election .........RIP Democracy