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N-deal with Pak could hit ties, India cautions China

indian govt. is too stupid.
its time to stop giving warnings and crying over the rooftops.
we should give them a taste of their own medicine.
sharing brahmos with taiwan , can fix them up at once.
 
Indian are moaning and crying on top of their lung because deal they made with uncle had string attached – these new reactors (they are planning) cannot be used for weapon program. On top of it, uncle forced indian to declare which of the existing N-plant used for civilian use and which one for military use. Indian ambition is screwed by over jealous indian ego (without substance) and by politicians.

Now indians are crying and moaning to push for the same agenda uncle imposed on them. They realized without imposing their own screw up, Pakistan will be in better position in the long run. Indian effort to overcome their own shortcoming by trying to screw someone else is NOT ONLY pathetic BUT ALSO entertaining.

just tell me 1 thing r u dumb or acting to b dumb:hitwall:

man,we played with the NSG rules and guidlines,we arm twisted the entire rules

reactors under IAEA inspection,man they can only inspect the reactors which we want,even after the deal they cant inspect any of our reactor without our permission,we had already seperated a hell lot of reactors of our military purpose

1st try to jump over the NSG,and then come here for rant:flame:
 
Are chinese reactors good or bad in tech comparison with US and others ?
 
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i hope this happens soon, and because of Pakistan they will also get sanctioned LOL :yahoo:

If this makes you happy then two yahoo from me:yahoo::yahoo: But it may be your wish nothing more than that:cheers:
 
Another Anit-Pakistan Anti-China, Anti-Saudi Arabia, Anti-Muslim, propoganda by Hindu Extremists in Time of India Staff. Come up with something new.

India is getting all of the nuclear technology but still is whining about others. Same on Hindustimes. Though India portrays to be secular but it is a Hindu country, dominated by Hindus that is why it Hindustantimes. If Saudis learn about the anti-Saudi tone they can start deporting Indians from Saudi Arabia in the millions, so watch your tone.

I can write an article on Jains, and caste systems In Hindu Religion and it will be 7 times longer then this article.

LOL - recently Ram Jethmalani a rather old and eccentric prominent lawyer in India started insulting Wahabism on a TV debate - another participant on it was the Saudi Ambassador to India who left the debate mid-way in disgust. And editorial in a newspaper is not going to affect India- Saudi relations.
 
i hope this happens soon, and because of Pakistan they will also get sanctioned LOL :yahoo:

I think picture sums up your post perfctly:

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i hope this happens soon, and because of Pakistan they will also get sanctioned LOL :yahoo:

thats not gonnai happen, if this happens expect good news for Pakistan as china will openly be be selling nuclear reactors if she is no longer bound by the NSG and also expect tougher conditions for India as its going to create a lot of complications and in result all of us three countries are going to suffer.

Expect 5 year reversal in US policies
 
thats not gonnai happen, if this happens expect good news for Pakistan as china will openly be be selling nuclear reactors if she is no longer bound by the NSG.

Expect 5 year reversal in US policies

dude, you are forgetting about the Sanctions. Economical Sanctions, so China cannot even think of it. But yes, its true China is providing Technology to Pakistan behind the bush.

And do you think, if that happens rest of the world will be just eating popcorns??
Do not forget, there are many Pakistani Citizens in USA, UK, Australia, Canada, Germany, France. Plus the aid coming from the west would stop right there, if you don't pay, even Chinese won't give you such sensitive Technology.
Not China, nor India, nor anyone but Pakistan would be at loss.

So don't even post such Comments.
 
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dude, you are forgetting about the Sanctions. Economical Sanctions, so China cannot even think of it. But yes, its true China is providing Technology to Pakistan behind the bush.

And do you think, if that happens rest of the world will be just eating popcorns??
Do not forget, there are many Pakistani Citizens in USA, UK, Australia, Canada, Germany, France. Plus the aid coming from the west would stop right there, if you don't pay, even Chinese won't give you such sensitive Technology.
Not China, nor India, nor anyone but Pakistan would be at loss.

So don't even post such Comments.

I think you ate too many spices and veggies today. Aid would stop coming and US and NATO would block Pakistan weapons and then veggie eating Indians would come and fight the war on terror and then aloo bhagee would be the official dish of the white house and .

You basically should be in palmistry and not on this forum. We will see if your brainless ideas have some logic.:china::pakistan:
 
The Indian tantrum is not going to stop Pakistan-China nuclear deal. There will be no sanctions against anybody. US was unhappy but quiet until India started freaking out. At the end of the Pakistan will get more nuclear reactors. India will sooner or later accept the reality.

Indian are moaning and crying on top of their lung because deal they made with uncle had string attached – these new reactors (they are planning) cannot be used for weapon program. On top of it, uncle forced indian to declare which of the existing N-plant used for civilian use and which one for military use. Indian ambition is screwed by over jealous indian ego (without substance) and by politicians.

Now indians are crying and moaning to push for the same agenda uncle imposed on them. They realized without imposing their own screw up, Pakistan will be in better position in the long run. Indian effort to overcome their own shortcoming by trying to screw someone else is NOT ONLY pathetic BUT ALSO entertaining.
 
Nuclear powers set for Pakistan showdown


A row is looming between Beijing and Washington over China's proposed sale of two nuclear power-generating reactors to Pakistan.

This would appear to break the guidelines set by the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a gathering of countries who export civil nuclear technology.

The NSG's annual meeting is taking place in Christchurch, New Zealand all this week and it provides the first opportunity for other governments to explore what exactly China is proposing.

"During recent weeks Beijing has come under growing pressure," says the veteran nuclear expert Mark Hibbs, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

"And what I expect to happen is that the Chinese will make some kind of statement to clarify their intentions."

Mr Hibbs does not expect any fireworks yet, not least because there is no agreement within the NSG over how to proceed.

But the diplomatic battle lines are already being drawn with many countries eager to avoid the bruising exchanges of just a few years ago when, in 2008, the US - backed by a number of other major powers - pushed through a special exemption at the NSG allowing it to sell civil nuclear technology to India.

This exemption - despite the fact that India has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and has an active nuclear weapons programme - was strongly condemned by many arms control advocates.

It has already prompted charges of double-standards.

Iran's president feels his country is being treated differently
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, for one, has claimed that his country is being denied nuclear technology even though it has no nuclear weapons, while a special deal was cut for a friend of Washington - India - which already had the bomb.

Mark Fitzpatrick, the chief proliferation expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, said he remained of the view that the US-India deal set "a dangerous precedent.

"It strengthened the sense of double standards," he argues.

Even Mark Hibbs, who believes that the US-India deal had "a deep strategic rationale" says "the problem was the way in which Washington set about it."

The administration of former President George W Bush, he argues, simply "ignored the proliferation concerns". Washington should have been much tougher in extracting concessions from India, Mr Hibbs says.

Beijing's choice
Now the India exemption hangs like a shadow over the deliberations of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. It cannot come to any view until China makes its hand known.

So what will Beijing do? Mark Hibbs believes that China really has three options.

  1. Follow the US-India example and seek a special exemption for the Pakistan sale.
  2. Try to claim that the two additional reactors were in some way part of an original deal under which it has already supplied two reactors to Pakistan. This was in the works before China joined the NSG in 2004.
  3. Simply ignore the guidelines and go ahead with the sale anyway.
    Seeking an exemption, which appears to be the route that the Obama administration wants China to pursue, could throw the whole organisation into chaos.
Seeking so-called "grandfather rights" to include the new deal in the previous contract might be preferable. But, inconveniently, Mark Hibbs believes that there is a paper trail suggesting that China had no intention to make further reactor sales to Pakistan when it originally joined the NSG.

Ignoring the guidelines altogether would set a dangerous precedent.

China plans to become a big player in the civil nuclear industry. It has a huge domestic nuclear power programme and it has ambitious plans for major sales abroad.

China's whole emergence onto the world stage has been conditioned by a desire to play by the established international rules. Overturning the NSG guidelines would undermine the whole cause of nuclear non-proliferation.

Geopolitical implications
A crucial element will be how the Obama administration chooses to play this issue.

India has been testing nuclear technologies for decades
"Up to a few days ago I thought that the US and China had cut a deal to allow Beijing to go ahead. But now the US is raising questions," Mark Fitzpatrick says.

Some analysts wonder if the US, like many members of the NSG, might simply prefer the whole issue to go away. But that clearly isn't going to happen.

There could well be strong pressure from Capitol Hill for President Obama to oppose any sale of reactors to Pakistan.

The country - like India - has never signed the NPT. It too has a small nuclear arsenal. And, more worryingly, proliferation experts say it has a terrible record of selling nuclear technology and knowhow to third countries.

A further complication lies ahead.

If both India and Pakistan were to gain exemptions, then Israel too (in exactly the same position: outside the NPT and believed to have a significant nuclear arsenal) would come looking for a deal on civil nuclear technology.

That would present the Obama administration with a huge dilemma with major repercussions throughout the Middle East.

The proposed China-Pakistan nuclear deal may well be a diplomatic problem that fizzles for a while rather than exploding immediately into life.

But it has huge implications that go way beyond just the relationship between India and Pakistan and the already somewhat strained ties between Washington and Beijing.

BBC News - Nuclear powers set for Pakistan showdown
 
People please can we try stay on topic. If anything this has finally removed the veil of righteous justice cast on the web of hypocrisy that is the NSG and UNSC.
 
There was no nuclear bomb in 1974. It was a nuclear devise. There was nothing in the agreement between India and Canada that prohibited using NED (Nuclear Explosive Devise) for PNEs (Peaceful Nuclear Explosions). In fact, USSR and France went a step ahead and congratulated India for that successful PNE.

But you already know all of it, being a participant in this thread.

Semantics - it was not a 'nuclear bomb' only because it was not necessarily in the form of a deliverable weapon i.e a missile warhead or an air dropped bomb. There is no such thing as a 'peaceful nuclear explosion' since there is no use for a nuclear explosion to run nuclear reactors for power generation, which was the intent of the CIRUS reactor.

India validated that it could perform a nuclear explosion - the only thing left to do after that was to miniaturize the device into a deliverable weapon.
 
And HEU is being used to produce Plutonium for weapons.
No, HEU is used as the main component in Pakistan's nuclear warheads. Pakistan's Plutonium is obtained from the Khushab reactors.

And even if HEU was used to 'produce Plutonium', as I pointed out, the production of HEU has to do with the fuel enrichment process, and not the Light Water NPP's being proposed for the Chashma complex.

So you have no link between the NPP's China has helped construct at Chashma or is proposing to construct and Pakistan's nuclear weapons.
 
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