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We should be very careful of the narrative in today's world. I will be presenting my two cents on the current political condition, what led to widespread criticism of the army and where the situation may be headed. The actions of the establishment such as filing of petition against IK in the dead of night and now harassing genuine PTI supporters have made it extremely unpopular in various circles. Keep in mind that these same people were defending the army just a few weeks before.

To understand this situation, let's look at a a number of factors involved here. First, the feeling of betrayal by the majority of PTI supporters. They though had the backing of the establishment. To be devoid of that in such a serious crisis have led to tempers being flared all around. Secondly, PTI followers have bought hook line and sinker the narrative that Sharif, Zardari & Co. are corrupt to the core. To see them alleviated to high government offices with tacit approval of the establishment has further given credence that establishment sold out. Finally, the diplomatic letter, proven to be genuine as it was presented to cabinet and NSC, led to the belief that Gen. Bajwa did not do anything to thwart this conspiracy. It evoked the memories of CIA led regime change in Iran in 1951. Hence, there is an outpouring of support for PTI by a large part of the urban middle class and these guys are angry at the army.

Also, note that this movement has been organic as far as my mind is concerned. It is only in the minds of a select few that these large gatherings are somehow the work of external hands. However, we may never know but chances of external involvement seem very slim.

Finally, the army as an institution in Pakistan has overstepped its constitutional boundaries throughout our history and it had the popular support whenever it did. This time, the support of a large mass of population seems missing and hence the army establishment does not know what to do. The same people who were previously openly asking the army to intervene in the political turmoil are now questioning the very same tactics. (It very ironic and I can't help but smile at this)

Finally, the army establishment is in quite a predicament. It won't or maybe can't move against the middle class mass in Punjab and Karachi like it moved against PTM. It seems to be going for a crackdown on PTI's main supporters in electronic media. However, it remains to be seen if IK will budge and mend fences as the other parties have done in the past. Sharif, Zardari & Co. always went crawling back to the establishment once they felt the heat. If IK does the same, then these protests will fizzle out. But if he does not and if he goes on the offensive then the establishment may well be in hot waters. Regardless, it will be interesting times indeed. All of this is dependent on PTI's performance in its Peshawar Jalsa. IK may throw the gauntlet and we may well have another dance with destiny.
 
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We should be very careful of the narrative in today's world. I will be presenting my two cents on the current political condition, what led to widespread criticism of the army and where the situation may be headed. The actions of the establishment such as filing of petition against IK in the dead of night and now harassing genuine PTI supporters have made it extremely unpopular in various circles. Keep in mind that these same people were defending the army just a few weeks before.

To understand this situation, let's look at a a number of factors involved here. First, the feeling of betrayal by the majority of PTI supporters. They though had the backing of the establishment. To be devoid of that in such a serious crisis have led to tempers being flared all around. Secondly, PTI followers have bought hook line and sinker the narrative that Sharif, Zardari & Co. are corrupt to the core. To see them alleviated to high government offices with tacit approval of the establishment has further given credence that establishment sold out. Finally, the diplomatic letter, proven to be genuine as it was presented to cabinet and NSC, led to the belief that Gen. Bajwa did not do anything to thwart this conspiracy. It evoked the memories of CIA led regime change in Iran in 1951. Hence, there is an outpouring of support for PTI by a large part of the urban middle class and these guys are angry at the army.

Also, note that this movement has been organic as far as my mind is concerned. It is only in the minds of a select few that these large gatherings are somehow the work of external hands. However, we may never know but chances of external involvement seem very slim.

Finally, the army as an institution in Pakistan has overstepped its constitutional boundaries throughout our history and it had the popular support whenever it did. This time, the support of a large mass of population seems missing and hence the army establishment does not know what to do. The same people who were previously openly asking the army to intervene in the political turmoil are now questioning the very same tactics. (It very ironic and I can't help but smile at this)

Finally, the army establishment is in quite a predicament. It won't or maybe can't move against the middle class mass in Punjab and Karachi like it moved against PTM. It seems to be going for a crackdown on PTI's main supporters in electronic media. However, it remains to be seen if IK will budge and mend fences as the other parties have done in the past. Sharif, Zardari & Co. always went crawling back to the establishment once they felt the heat. If IK does the same, then these protests will fizzle out. But if he does not and if he goes on the offensive then the establishment may well be in hot waters. Regardless, it will be interesting times indeed. All of this is dependent on PTI's performance in its Peshawar Jalsa. IK may throw the gauntlet and we may well have another dance with destiny.
Elections 1.5 saal bad tha. Imran khan man gaya early elections ke liyn.
Log khud vote out ker diata ya doubara chun laiata. Is ki zarorat nhn thi jo army ne kiya.
Imran khan ne army ka name nhn liya.
Lakin marium aur nawaz sherif ne army ko kaya kaya nhn kaha.
Aur imran khan ne hamesha defend kiya. Abhi imran khan ne narrative america ke against banaya. Lakin log khud army ke khilaf ho gaya.
Log samajdar hain dude.
Khuda ka wasta mulk pe reham kero.
Ghq main baith ke decide na kero ke kon popular hai kon nhn...
Ab to bus ker do
75 saal ho gaya hai. Organic hona do. Bus ker do interference.
Khabhi bhi apni power karachiko haqoq dilwana ke liyn to istemal nhn kerta.
Kyu?
 
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Let me put it in another way.
Suppose for once IK did unintentionally made a huge diplomatic blunder by visiting russia and openly critizing EU. So they tried to advise him against doing such things. But he did it anyways. Now they are thinking " hmm we cant control this guy, we need someone we can easily controll like SS, Zardari etc. etc." Thats the reason behind all this NCV drama. Now one thing they couldnt predict was that people dont really like being led by corrupt and traitors.
Hence all this bashing.
 
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Let me put it in another way.
Suppose for once IK did unintentionally made a huge diplomatic blunder by visiting russia and openly critizing EU. So they tried to advise him against doing such things. But he did it anyways. Now they are thinking " hmm we cant control this guy, we need someone we can easily controll like SS, Zardari etc. etc." Thats the reason behind all this NCV drama. Now one thing they couldnt predict was that people dont really like being led by corrupt and traitors.
Hence all this bashing.

Amreeka wants a slave Pak Army. Pak Army wants a slave PM.

The chain continues --- but now there's a man who can break it.
 
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Establishment has made a massive mistake.

Traitors in the establishment will be made to pay for thier treachery. I am sure this time the public are ready for thier Azaadi.
 
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why is it always 2 cents ? why it can't be your 25 cents or 10 cents ?
 
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Should be an equal relationship, that's the only way forward.

@Hakikat ve Hikmet is right, when the leader has taken a stand, everyone in the state should follow suit.

Btw Imran Khan is from the family of conquerors:

Khan's father belonged to the Niazi Pashtun tribe, who were long settled in Mianwali in northwestern Punjab.[2][37] The Niazis had come to the subcontinent with invading Afghan tribes during the fifteenth century.[19] Imran identifies Haibat Khan Niazi as a paternal ancestor, a sixteenth century military general of Sher Shah Suri and later governor of Punjab.[38] His paternal family hail from the Shermankhel sub-clan of the Niazis.[39] The Niazis mainly speak Saraiki and are based in Mianwali and surrounding areas, where family and tribal networks are strong and where, according to Khan, "even third cousins know each other".[19]

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Imran_Khan
 
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Should be an equal relationship, that's the only way forward.
National leaders >>> military commanders. It's what in the most advanced countries. IK is intellectually equivalent to that...

Six centuries of the Ottoman Empire was lost within six years of military coup rule after his de-throning...

Pak conquered a half of Kashmir under the stateman Jinnah, and lost a half of Pak under the military dictator Yahya....

Turkey's victory in the Northern Cyprus and recent advances in Karabag' and Northern Syria/Irak have come under the strong civilian leadership....

The best military officers in the USA are sent to the Harvard to develop their intellectual capability in them for a reason....
 
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IK needs to win elections and do purge like Erdogan to clean up govt institutions.
Don't get your hopes too high. IK's performance was pretty bad with respect to normal functioning of the government institutions. Let's wait and watch first what he says
 
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National leaders >>> military commanders. It's what in the most advanced countries. IK is intellectually equivalent to that...

Six centuries of the Ottoman Empire was lost within six years of military coup rule after his de-throning...

Pak conquered a half of Kashmir under the stateman Jinnah, and lost a half of Pak under the military dictator Yahya....

Turkey's victory in the Northern Cyprus and recent advances in Karabag' and Northern Syria/Irak have come under the strong civilian leadership....

The best military officers in the USA are sent to the Harvard to develop their intellectual capability in them for a reason....

I understand your point. As long as Pak army maintains power and does not turn into Punjab Police. That will be a disaster. They should have powers , they have interfered in past because civilian governments have been shockingly terrible. If they had not intervened then Pak would have collapsed. It's because of army that Pakistan is not balkanised. Every enemy knows that it is Pak army that jolds country together hence assaults of Pak Army.
We should understand the game plan here and not fall prey to ideas that will damage the only thing that holds Pakistan together.

They need to be powerful, think is there any other Muslim country with a capable army? At the end of the day this army is going to fight in future wars. Let's not make them toothless.
 
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