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My real ‘crime’: Standing up for U.S.-Pakistan relations

Or Perhaps Pakistanis would stop dying if your President stops killing them for no reason at all.
I see that you accept my judgment but lash out at others in your bitterness. Of course, you're not alone - most of the nation of Pakistan grasps the same straws. But what excuse do you have to continue blaming others when you clearly know better? Why are you so lazy and indolent? Why no resolve to make a difference for the better, yourself, today?
 
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THE CORRECT TITLE FOR THIS THREAD

MY (HUSSAIN HAQQANI) REAL CRIME: I CAME IN THIS WORLD. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF I WAS NEVER BORN.
 
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I see that you accept my judgment but lash out at others in your bitterness.
May be I should speak in Urdu, perhaps its opposite day and I suddenly can comprehend English better than a native English speaker... Maybe you can understand Urdu better to come to your weird conclusions when I say North you say South (or Acceptance).

Of course, you're not alone - most of the nation of Pakistan grasps the same straws.

Well we do have the civility to argue and talk, while your country's foreign policy is to throw a hissy fit and start killing random people.

But what excuse do you have to continue blaming others when you clearly know better? Why are you so lazy and indolent? Why no resolve to make a difference for the better, yourself, today?
I do it every day - my contributions have caused even your own countrymen embarrassing your president in front of all his Nato allies by booing down his vicious drone bombings. You were decrying my nation?

Wouldn't a villain always oppose the heroe's point of view? Wouldn't the villain of a story do more killing than the hero? Wouldn't the villain always be blood thirsty maniac and the hero more inclined to talk and reason things out?

Why are you in a delusion that you're with the good guys? You wear black in this movie, cowboy. Don't kid yourself.
 
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May be I should speak in Urdu, perhaps its opposite -
This is an irrelevant distraction.

Well we do have the civility to argue and talk, while your country's foreign policy is to throw a hissy fit and start killing random people.
To create an accurate generalization one must have many supporting specific examples that can be evaluated, then supported by statistics.

I do it every day - my contributions have caused even your own countrymen embarrassing your president in front of all his Nato allies by booing down his vicious drone bombings.
The impression created is that it's preferable for the U.S. to do the dirty work while Pakistan pretends its hands are clean.

You were decrying my nation?
No, I meant it personally. Why are you attempting to cower behind a crowd?

Wouldn't a villain always oppose the heroe's point of view? Wouldn't the villain of a story do more killing than the hero?
It depends. If the Tsar signs an order to kill 100,000 innocent people and a "blood-thirsty maniac" cossack kills 1,000 of these, they are both villains - and the "reasonable" one without blood on his hands, who killed 100,000 people with a mere drop of ink, is the greater one. Only the "maniac" who goes around killing cossacks and blowing up tsars could be counted as a hero - and maybe not even then.

Why are you in a delusion that you're with the good guys?
I hold that you're the one who is deluded, Asim. And you're hanging on to that delusion for what, exactly?
 
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Exactly. Not only was there no proof Taseer committed blasphemy, he was killed extra-judicially.

Killing every other guy, and woman and children, with a drone, in a un-declared war zone, now that's extra-judicial.
 
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This investigative report doesn't just verify evidence but is highly prejudicial in its subjectivity. The SC is playing a game with your feelings, Zakii.
Once again, you act like you are privy to all the evidences that were put forth before the honourable judges. Some Intelligence reports may have been deemed unfit for public consumption which we don't know about
 
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Once again, you act like you are privy to all the evidences that were put forth before the honourable judges.
No need to be privy. It's sufficient to note that the charge of the judges differs in character from their final conclusions.

Killing every other guy, and woman and children, with a drone, in a un-declared war zone, now that's extra-judicial.
UNSCR 1373, U.S. self-defence, Wazirstan is thus an open battlefield, and from the statistics kept by NAF the drone operators appear to be doing a very responsible job considering their quarrys' employment of human armor; it's not like carpet-bombing or leveling villages.
 
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No need to be privy. It's sufficient to note that the charge of the judges differs in character from their final conclusions.
I will not respond to your ridiculous statement which was posted after this one, it does a good job of exposing common US morality, mentality and intelligence.
As for this statement, there is every need to be privy of all knowledge before passing any comments. I also do not see how any charge differs from the conclusion. The conclusion seems to be well drawn and my respect for the court grew ten fold after seeing their report
 
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statement which was posted after this one, it does a good job of exposing common US morality, mentality and intelligence.
I think so, but you have yet to explain why it can be characterized as "ridiculous".

As for this statement, there is every need to be privy of all knowledge before passing any comments.
Nonsense. If I'm asked to prove whether or not you wrote a document, does that have anything to do with the fact that I discovered you pick your nose?

my respect for the court grew ten fold after seeing their report
To get justice in the courts is a rare experience in Pakistan AND knowledge of legal matters is at a low level. Don't think the SC isn't aware of that - gaining your respect is an important motivation for them since they are a political institution, as described previously.
 
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I think so, but you have yet to explain why it can be characterized as "ridiculous".
You state that a responsible job is being done when even US statistics shows there are more civilian deaths than you are implying.

Nonsense. If I'm asked to prove whether or not you wrote a document, does that have anything to do with the fact that I discovered you pick your nose?
I believe the justified that he wrote the note by referring to forensic evidence. I know that you probably do not have much experience reading court reports but I must inform you that inference must be used to glean their point.

To get justice in the courts is a rare experience in Pakistan AND knowledge of legal matters is at a low level. Don't think the SC isn't aware of that - gaining your respect is an important motivation for them since they are a political institution, as described previously.
It is not political, your point, which I must ask you to repeat, did not seem political to me. Again, my respect grew due to the sense found in the document, if he were not involved, I would have had my respect increased then too!
 
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You state that a responsible job is being done when even US statistics shows there are more civilian deaths than you are implying.
I don't recall "implying" anything specific, just pointing out that the drone strikes are apparently being carried out with little collateral damage compared to conventional bombing techniques, or even Pakmil offensives.

I believe the justified that he wrote the note by referring to forensic evidence.
I was referring to the statements beyond the remit of the fact-finding commission.

It is not political, your point, which I must ask you to repeat, did not seem political to me. Again, my respect grew due to the sense found in the document, if he were not involved, I would have had my respect increased then too!
To repeat, the SC has been a political creature ever since it endorsed the "Doctrine of Necessity" making itself the judge of extra-legal activity. Now, with this report, they move into the realm of judging LEGAL activities as well.

If that's not political, what is? I suspect your "respect" is driven by a state of desperation at the poor governance all Pakistanis seem to experience.
 
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I don't recall "implying" anything specific, just pointing out that the drone strikes are apparently being carried out with little collateral damage compared to conventional bombing techniques, or even Pakmil offensives. /QUOTE]
May I have any facts that agree to this, not from the US state department?

I was referring to the statements beyond the remit of the fact-finding commission.
That is, once again, merely your opinion
To repeat, the SC has been a political creature ever since it endorsed the "Doctrine of Necessity" making itself the judge of extra-legal activity. Now, with this report, they move into the realm of judging LEGAL activities as well.

If that's not political, what is? I suspect your "respect" is driven by a state of desperation at the poor governance all Pakistanis seem to experience.
It was merely used ONCE in 1955 and even then:
In his verdict, Munir declared it was necessary to go beyond the constitution to what he claimed was the Common Law, to general legal maxims, and to English historical precedent. He relied on Bracton's maxim, 'that which is otherwise not lawful is made lawful by necessity', and the Roman law maxim urged by Ivor Jennings, 'the well-being of the people is the supreme law.'
It has British precedent

I do not need you to tell me how desperate I am or not
 
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May I have any facts that agree to this, not from the US state department?
New America Foundation The drone strikes appear to be getting more accurate over time.

That is, once again, merely your opinion
And that of Haqqani's lawyers, quoted previously in the thread.

It was merely used ONCE in 1955 -
The SC has legitimized all coups and dictatorships since.

I do not need you to tell me how desperate I am or not
Of course not. You tell me.
 
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his real crime is dereliction of duty as well as contempt of court


he knows he fuccked up and that's why he was very SWIFT to resign
 
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New America Foundation The drone strikes appear to be getting more accurate over time.
Perhaps I should have worded myself better. From a Neutral, non-Pakistani and non-American source. Something like the Guardian will do for me

And that of Haqqani's lawyers, quoted previously in the thread.
I believe you are forgetting that his lawyers will obviously argue their point is right.
The SC has legitimized all coups and dictatorships since.
That does not mean this court supports coups and your deflection is noted

Of course not. You tell me.
I feel this is unworthy of a response. How desperate do you assume one should be for the implementation of justice according to the laws of the land?
 
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