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My real ‘crime’: Standing up for U.S.-Pakistan relations

his real crime is dereliction of duty as well as contempt of court...he knows he fuccked up and that's why he was very SWIFT to resign
He conceived his duty as representing the civilian government as a decision-making executive. His forced removal shows the military still runs things and sees themselves as a veto over civilians.

As for the SC, we can see from how the report goes beyond the remit that it may be worthy of being held in contempt as long as it tries to ruthlessly expand its power beyond the limits of interpreting the laws and Constitution.

I feel this is unworthy of a response. How desperate do you assume one should be for the implementation of justice according to the laws of the land?
truthseer, see your truth.
 
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He conceived his duty as representing the civilian government as a decision-making executive. His forced removal shows the military still runs things and sees themselves as a veto over civilians.

As for the SC, we can see from how the report goes beyond the remit that it may be worthy of being held in contempt as long as it tries to ruthlessly expand its power beyond the limits of interpreting the laws and Constitution.

truthseer, see your truth.


My dear dear poster. Why on earth this thread has gone on for so long.

What on earth makes Haqqani as the permanent ambassador to the USA. He is just a man. And why Pakistani army as an institution has to be dragged through mud if His Highness Haqqani is asked to resign?

Ambassadors come and Ambassadors go. Many a times they are political appointees and given a cushy job to be in DC, on government payroll and drive fancy cars with national flag or special diplomatic license plates.

I give two hoots to what that other guy the so-called businessman Mansoor Ejaz accused Haqqani for.

American army generals make two visits every week to GHQ in Pindi and Pakistani generals get to drink tea/coffee with them in return. If they have an issue, they can and they should resolve among themselves. What Ejaz has to say or What Haqqani can do matters very very very little.

It is just disheartening to see the level of pro and anti Haqqani debate.

Must we sacrifice institutions and countries for the sake of few egotists? USA's long term interests are not dependent on Haqqani the ex-ambassador or the Sheri the new ambassadors. They will go on for better or for worse long after the current set of protagonists and antagonists have bitten the dust.

And if Haqqani is larger than life figure who can "stand up" for US-Pakistan relationship, he can still do, he still has all his contacts in place. Doesn't he.

So let's not allow ourselves to get into mud-wrestling match where the judge is no other than the famous amos Mansoor Ejaz. Unless you like to mud-wrestle in the ring being officiated and announced by ejaz.


In summary, majority of Pakistanis educated "civilian" elite from Lahore, Karachi and Charsadda has always been anti-American. Not because of drones. No Siree. This love-hate relationship goes back decades. They wanted cuban castro and not Eisenhowver in their midsts. Why was it so? Well that's a long and separate discussion that we must have over a cup of tea.

So what if this elite have one more excuse to blacken the face of Uncle Sam.

the only Pakistani institution that has been untiringly supporting USA in the whole region is the Pakistani army. The reason is that Pakistani civilians do not have the luxury of having anti-socialism institutions like Heritage foundation or Wall street journal.

In Pakistan, civilian intellectuals walk to the drum beat of socialism nicely wrapped in green Islamist burqa. I call it Subzee-commies.

In this "intellectually hostile" environment, what do the democratic led US government do?

Make all the effort to destroy the only institution that has stood by their side for 60+ years.

This is what I call bad policies that will come back to haunt future US missions in the region.


So I urge you to cool of, and quit building something that stands on very unstable leftie-socialist foundation especially the one that has been already devoured by the Islamists moths.


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cohen here is supporting a lost cause.....

In Pakistan, civilian intellectuals walk to the drum beat of socialism nicely wrapped in green Islamist burqa. I call it Subzee-commies.


:rofl::rofl:

now that's a GUUD one! i'll have to try to remember that :laugh:

He conceived his duty as representing the civilian government as a decision-making executive. His forced removal shows the military still runs things and sees themselves as a veto over civilians.

As for the SC, we can see from how the report goes beyond the remit that it may be worthy of being held in contempt as long as it tries to ruthlessly expand its power beyond the limits of interpreting the laws and Constitution.

truthseer, see your truth.

so everyone now except the haqqanis are zardaris are villains....soon you'll accuse every Tom Dick and Ahmed in Pakistan of being in the wrong -- just for standing up for the national interest and punishing those who engaged in treasonous acts


if your American ambassador even voiced some displeasure or unease over his govt's policy in public in front of Pakistani govt./establishment -- he'd be on his way back where he came from quite swiftly.

in fact -- i suspect that's what happened already to Mr. Munter, though the State Dept. is (smartly) quite deaf dumb and mute about it
 
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.....just for standing up for the national interest and punishing those who engaged in treasonous acts....

Oh commmmon yaar.

No one is standing up for national interests of Pakistan. Bunch of anti-American anarchists are croaking about national interests while that black faced burqa posh moooolah is set free by the "Suprano" supreme court judges.

Be honest to yourself and others. If you want to be an anti-American anarchist. Then say so.

Do not use wrong label as "nationalist".

A true nationalist never drags his own nation towards death and destruction.

hahahah. It is like Nazis claiming to be true "German nationalists". patheic isn't it. pathetic.


peace
 
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i dont belong to that brigade.....especially the blindly ''anti-american'' one. I for one am for relations, but based on mutual respect and understanding. Not the status quo.
 
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This is an irrelevant distraction.
It is when you start calling crimes as extra judicial killings. Don't worry I would still call your foreign policy actions as murderous crimes not extra judicial killings as I know your President is openly going through great pains to avoid your country's due process system which would have eaten him alive for his horrible crimes.

To create an accurate generalization one must have many supporting specific examples that can be evaluated, then supported by statistics.

In cricketing terms I'd say you're on fire today and this is another sixer! Accurate Generalization? You and Obama must be kindred spirit who aim to kill accurately by firing missiles into the general population.

The impression created is that it's preferable for the U.S. to do the dirty work while Pakistan pretends its hands are clean.

Wow what a Hollywood self-deluded generalization. You're right, there are even monuments erected all over Pakistan commemorating the US's commendable acts, and while we are at it, the people love it and want to be liberated but the evil forces are holding the truth from coming out.

You can make yourself believe anything just like your President made you believe in the vanishing WMDs once.

No, I meant it personally. Why are you attempting to cower behind a crowd?
And I haven't fought back on any of your comments about my person - yes your comments about my 'crowd' - my nation - deserved getting you off your own high pedestal.

It depends. If the Tsar signs an order to kill 100,000 innocent people and a "blood-thirsty maniac" cossack kills 1,000 of these, they are both villains - and the "reasonable" one without blood on his hands, who killed 100,000 people with a mere drop of ink, is the greater one. Only the "maniac" who goes around killing cossacks and blowing up tsars could be counted as a hero - and maybe not even then.

No... Your first instinct was right they would both be vicious murdering bastards, the second one had no issues in killing, he just had perhaps a slightly better method. We don't call lesser evils heroes, one has to be royally mind-screwed to come to any other conclusion. You do know in this case you're the Tsar, anyway - doing the most of the killing.

I hold that you're the one who is deluded, Asim. And you're hanging on to that delusion for what, exactly?
You do know what deluded means don't you? Just asking because this insistence can again emanate from another vocab problem.
 
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i dont belong to that brigade.....especially the blindly ''anti-american'' one. I for one am for relations, but based on mutual respect and understanding. Not the status quo.

Agreed.

The problem with Pakistan is that certain pressure groups have hijacked Pakistan-American relationship management. Every Mullah, Qari, and Hafiz now thinks it is his divine duty to come on the street for every issue that plagues the rocky relationship between Americans and Pakistanis.

We have assemblies, we have judicial system, the executive, and the military. Let them manage the stuff. Why we are allowing unelected beardos to drive the policies?

Status quo will remain until we have mad-house madrassah students on the street burning American flags.

This is no way to deal with one of the most powerful country in the world.

Things will improve if ordinary Americans can come visit Pakistan. See the things by themselves and then go back and vote the right kind of people into their government.

Problem is that Mooolah and Ayatooolah street politics in Pakistan has shut down people to people exchange, and now only death, burning, guns, and bullets are driving the story. That's not not very good. This will make things much worse in the near future.



Peace
 
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