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My Faith is on Trail once again .. why ?

There was a Muslim officer who lost his life defending the French in the same attack. Check the numbers, we lost the most blood in this war, if anyone doubts our commitment to tolerance then they need a reality check. Secondly, the poster has shared their opinion, I'm pretty sure it was not to be judged or used as a vehicle to cement your own prejudice. Thirdly, this very much concerns us not just as faithful but as people and your name calling/prejudice or whatever won't help anyone, even you. So why bother? If you've got nothing positive to contribute then, please, don't add more garbage to an already stinky world. Let's clean up, not make it messier.

PS A MUSLIM stepped up to defend your faith in that thread. So, take an example of tolerance and get some sense. You see, these barbarians use our mutual hatred to feul their barbarity. So let's cut the feul.
i am just stating facts...

when that french Muslim was shot, may be they didn't know he was Muslim or they thought he is with kafur.
just like poster, i gave my view. every one has prejudices, nothing new.. but certain prejudice are backed by ongoing events and past deeds...and that prejudice is called inference...
positivity and negativity are referential words... though, even if i say, everything will be changed after this, will be utter bs, i was just being pragmatist..

PS.. perhaps that Muslim was bound by forum rules, to do so... and u did not stepped in of your own, but only after it was reported... there are always one or two mods around, why didn't they took steps before... how many people were banned or given warning for making fun of other religion or using words against forum rule...
 
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Have you ever heard of confirmation-bias? In-group conformity and out-group bias? If not, do so and you'd be surprised of how much of the interpretation of these facts is tilted towards this vicious cycle of mud-slinging. Prejudice, is not a fact but a sad by-product of our nature and history as well as the current sociological trend shows that we are growing out of this, perhaps fatal flaw. For example, if you look at the history of humanity then we are living in one of the most peaceful epochs, suprising, eh?

Yes, we've prejudice but they need to be combated not cemented because they aren't real. Take for example, racism: for centuries eugenics took tests on Africans and showed that these people were in fact retarded and justified their creulty towards them. Germans did the same with the Jewish population. At the time, these figures were themselves facts but what happened? Our unbiased investigations showed us how much we erred. Again and again. Over and over. So let's look into ourselves, just for once.

And no, he was not forced by forum rules but actually his religious beliefs. I know this because it was me. No one reported it, I saw it and stepped in. You're free not to believe me as your prejudice would force you to.
i am just stating facts...

when that french Muslim was shot, may be they didn't know he was Muslim or they thought he is with kafur.
just like poster, i gave my view. every one has prejudices, nothing new.. but certain prejudice are backed by ongoing events and past deeds...and that prejudice is called inference...
positivity and negativity are referential words... though, even if i say, everything will be changed after this, will be utter bs, i was just being pragmatist..

PS.. perhaps that Muslim was bound by forum rules, to do so... and u did not stepped in of your own, but only after it was reported... there are always one or two mods around, why didn't they took steps before... how many people were banned or given warning for making fun of other religion or using words against forum rule...
 
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I know but my intend was to show that Western media don't build-up hype if the terror act isn't committed by "Muslims".

Its not about whether its done by Muslims or not... its about a.) the proximity and b.) the intend of the attack.

a.) If people in your country or immediate neighborhood die... its OBVIOUSLY gonna be more of an issue to you than if somebody in a already failed state somewhere in Africa gets killed ... now call that however you like, but its natural.

Remember the mass killings of +80 youngsters in the 2011 Norway attacks? It was not done by a Muslim but it was still in every newsheadline...

b.) If jihadists kill people simply because of their lifestyle, the freedom they enjoy or even just because of their religious beliefs, its gonna be much more personal than a psychiatric killing people because he enjoys it.
 
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its not that i am denying prejudice but certain incidents and other facts only cement those prejudices.... blacks and jews prejudice with Muslims are like comparing apple to oranges.... blacks were never given the equal status before, jews were never taken in good faith by Europeans , but Muslims had everything, today they hv their own countries, own economy, and because of liberalization, globalization, modern thinking, like equality, liberty, secularism , they are given equal status in society, even though Muslim nation do not give other faith anu prominence, other nation secularism provide them equal right,
but still they are following their ideological war,
all these things only cement the prejudice.... and may be, it has crossed the level of prejudice and has become more of a inference, giving birth to fallacy of illicit generalization... never the less, human mind work in that way...

if you have closed that thread by your own, i am thankful to you...
but since i hv seen how things work here, it was not wrong of me to think in that way..

@jaibi
 
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That may be called "immigration" and they were not thrown out from India unlike Muslims forced from their country just bcz they were from different sects even then so ungrateful to blow themselves up in the same countries which had welcomed them with open hands.

So those ones don't come under immigration but your people do. Sir it's people like you who try to incite sects, hatred etc and make this world a horrible place to live in.
 
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What I hate about Indian Hindus when they discuss Islam is they are so disgustingly racist about it. They are 100% certified racists and hate Pakistanis. They will do whatever they can to make our lives miserable.

Don't ever listen to them. Why would you ever take life lessons from people who have a rape problem in their society and have the highest murder rate in the world.

So in one post you cry about racism and then follow it up with stupid stereotypes about a billion people. Awesome.
 
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So those ones don't come under immigration but your people do. Sir it's people like you who try to incite sects, hatred etc and make this world a horrible place to live in.
Sir,there is no sectarian bullshit in my relegion.

secondly how can you equate 2 emigrants say,an Indian working in silicon valley and contributing to that society with an afghan refugee living in India and for that matter in west who was forced to leave his country by fellow Muslims.

plus,my white neighbour can coexist with me bcz he believes that i am not going to blow him up by chanting "god is great"
 
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Sir,there is no sectarian bullshit in my relegion.

secondly how can you equate to emigrants say,an Indian working in silicon valley and contributing to that society with an afghan refugee forced to leave his country by fellow Muslims.
whats your religion btw ?
 
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@rockstar08
Excellent thread my friend just don't get trolled by the fancy words of some who are just here to derail threads with their constipated trolling skills. Unfortunately they are called Indians, and fortunately some excellent and balanced views are also by none other but Indians.

Voices of sane muslims are always aired on different media time to time but not on larger scale as compared to the incidents. We muslims needs a "reset", a "restore" but to date that powerful knob is not available. Until then just suffer. From religious pov today we are still in better condition than the coming day, trust me. Mother of the fitna is yet to come and past is meant for future. Hold yourself, safeguard your faith and leave the world.
 
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Why After every terrorist attack in west, the Muslims have to prove it to the world that they are not terrorist and no with the Ideology of Terrorism ? Its not that there are no incident where Muslims were brutally Slaughtered by Non-Muslims , why " Radical " word is just reserved for Muslims now ? almost every News Channel ,keep putting it in their headline , associating Terrorist as " Islamic " how many time Muslims have to come out and give the testimony of their Faith ?? and will this ever end ?

I am a Muslim to , i never hurt anyone in my life , I respect other Religions as much i respect Mine , i dont react violently when i see any Insulting Cartoon or Movie about our Prophet's on Internet ,but i move on with a small Wish that " May Allah give them Guidance " but what hurts me when i see Media , who associate my Religion with those blood thirty demons , who justify the Killings of Children's ...

If i am good ,its because what my Religion taught me, and if i have anything bad its because of my own faults, but still every time any incident happen in west , my whole faith and religion be put in the trail , Mistakes of some become curse for many ? why ??

People want secular Muslims to step up and fight , but Question is which media have time for secular Muslims ? when did the last time any western media present Islam form a different Prospectus ? there is no flaws in Islam but in those who are misleading and preaching it to others , I dont Blame a common man who is living in west , a life where he work , go out with friends , beaches and Parks, chill in Clubs .. when he experience a Terrorist attack , what kind of feeling they have about certain people , but Media ....they do the work of Petrol in the fire , Instead of trying to differentiate between Terrorist and Muslims , they rise question like " does a Muslim living in your neighborhood can be trusted " anyone in west and there might be many who have Muslim friends at their college or work , just because of same headline repeating thousands of time over the TV makes them think , that can we even trust the guy whom we call our friend for so many years ??

Saying "La illaha illal la , Muhammadur Rasool Allah " is just enough to be Muslim ?? by having name like Osama , Baghdadi , Omar etc makes you a Muslim ? having a beard is the testimony for being a Muslim ?? ( my skin is the way , i dont have much beard , so does that mean i cant be a Muslim ) ? i didnt go out shooting Allah ho Akbar , everything someone Insult or make fun of my Prophets , so does this action take me the right to be a Muslim ? I am not even punctual with Salah , i dont wear a Salwaar Kameez with high , so does my dressing now present me as a muslim ? Salah , Hajj , Fast is we do for Allah , its his right to punish me for not doing it, i dont offer my Salah for my imam,he has no right to point finger at me and call me a Kafir ....than what does make a Muslim a Real Muslim ?

Been secular mean a true Muslim ?? just because you stand up with idea mostly people follow makes you the right person ?? What is our identity ? Wearing Jeans, Glasses , sneakers , dressed up like a burger , go over the internet , Talk to peoples , what it does achieve ? a Muslim in west spend his life making good Friends who can trust him ,and one Attack like this put his everything , friendship , Loyalty , Nationalism and even humanity on trail ? is that supposed to be like this ??

I Wish that this Madness of Extremism will end soon , Obviously with out peoples from all over the world , some bunch of Muslims cant do it alone .. In today's world only few types are accepted , and dont see as threat Kids under 10 , old peoples aged 80+ , self hating Muslims , Malala's ...... where and when did a Common Muslim stands in the news headlines of Western Countries ? but right after any incident , suddenly the common Muslim become the prime target for the Media ....why ???

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I feel your pain...All I can say is do your part...and keep to ALLAH's rules dont deter

I leave you with a verse from the Quran which is repeated:

And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners Quran 8:30.

And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners. Quran 3:54

And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home. Quran 13:42
 
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I feel your pain...All I can say is do your part...and keep to ALLAH's rules dont deter

I leave you with a verse from the Quran which is repeated:

Thanks @Akheilos , i am not that Emotional to fall for it , but thing is i have been observing the double standards from the Indians and Westerns Media from quite long time , anyone who used to watch CNN , Fox and BBC will know what kind of Biased Journalism they do ....

Quran is Indeed the best friend for anyone , Thanks for pointing out the verses

@rockstar08
Excellent thread my friend just don't get trolled by the fancy words of some who are just here to derail threads with their constipated trolling skills. Unfortunately they are called Indians, and fortunately some excellent and balanced views are also by none other but Indians.

Voices of sane muslims are always aired on different media time to time but not on larger scale as compared to the incidents. We muslims needs a "reset", a "restore" but to date that powerful knob is not available. Until then just suffer. From religious pov today we are still in better condition than the coming day, trust me. Mother of the fitna is yet to come and past is meant for future. Hold yourself, safeguard your faith and leave the world.

relax bro, i know their Cheap tricks to troll threads ,soon they will be thread ban , if one of our mods ,wake up :)
 
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Thanks @Akheilos , i am not that Emotional to fall for it , but thing is i have been observing the double standards from the Indians and Westerns Media from quite long time , anyone who used to watch CNN , Fox and BBC will know what kind of Biased Journalism they do ....

Quran is Indeed the best friend for anyone , Thanks for pointing out the verses
I stopped following news...Only time I look it up is when I need articles to slap on someone's face!

Its been forever I have been screaming about the hypocrisy of the media....I recall every article or reply I gave in that sense, I was criticized by others on this forum for being selective with the media..Hell I am gonna be selective just coz they published it doesnt mean it is true!

Try Hinduism...such difficult name would only arise from there!

Sir,there is no sectarian bullshit in my relegion.
BS at its best!
 
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