'My dream is that Pakistan is the force multiplier for India'

[araz]

For starter lets agree on FTA, Open Skies and create a single currency market a la EU.
Freeze Kashmir issue for atleast 10 years and impelent joint control and surveilliance of LOC. We can build enough bridges in a decade working together and learn to coexist, educate eachother and emerge as a strong regional power.

Neo. Sorry I omitted to look at your post, before i posted my last post. it is a very good one and all the suggestions are sound. I could'nt agree with you more.
Araz

 

[araz]

I don't think Zardari has spoken of any union with any country.

And why should there be any union?

He has only spoken of cooperation to make India and Pakistan powerhouses in the world!

But Zardari requires to first ensure that his image is improved.

Or has he turned a new leaf?

Salim.
Zardari from his statements is a real surprise. They certainly do not conform to his reputation. I guess there is only that much that you can loot. After that there must be some desire in him to prove the people wrong and create a name for himself. For Pakistans sake I hope I am right.
Regards
Araz

 

[mujahideen]

If anybody can change pakistan for the good, it is this guy....don't let him go, with him goes the future of Pakistan

Who is this guy you are reffering to? I hope its not Mr.10%. And besides as much as I respect your opinion I think it is up to the people of Pakistan to decide who they want to keep.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

man, have you guys all gone insane? this is zardari, mr. 10%, we're talking about here!

i hope indians take him like they take our trash from our cricket league. this guy will rob india of $100 billion. you guys just wait, india will blame the ISI for the collapse of their economy thanks to Zardari!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If anybody can change pakistan for the good, it is this guy....don't let him go, with him goes the future of Pakistan

Strong institutions is what we need, not personalities.

If Zardari has indeed turned a new leaf, and plays his part in strengthening institutions, then he should be supported.

But if the aim is to continue to weaken institutions, or perpetuate the current weaknesses, and use his celebrity/personality to push through certain policies that may or may not be beneficial to Pakistan, then he is doing nothing substantial, and nothing that makes him an "indispensable leader".

 

[UnitedPak]

Strong institutions is what we need, not personalities.

If Zardari has indeed turned a new leaf, and plays his part in strengthening institutions, then he should be supported.

But if the aim is to continue to weaken institutions, or perpetuate the current weaknesses, and use his celebrity/personality to push through certain policies that may or may not be beneficial to Pakistan, then he is doing nothing substantial, and nothing that makes him an "indispensable leader".

Tbh, we need new faces on the scene instead of the old timers keeping up reappearances like this is some kind of a soap opera. I am tired of sitting and speculating if Nawaz or the Bhuttos are finally over their greed and we shouldn't risk Pakistan every time in order to find out either.

Surely there are a lot more patriotic leadership figures in Pakistan to vote for. These people have had their chances before and they blew them thoroughly. No more second chances if it was up to me.

 

[cactuslily58]

While its too early to comment on what Zardari has said, there are a few issues that merit attention :

1. Does India need a force multiplier ?
2. How long will zardari last ? What is his acceptability in his own country & in the PPP ?
3. Will the Economic zones intended along the border become hostages of hardliners on both sides who could strangulate them at will ?
4. Indian experience with deals with Pakistani leaders has not been very good eg : Shimla Accord - signed by Bhutto..not accepted by the rest. Lahore Decleration undone by Kargil etc etc. Where is the assurance that the General who takes over Pakistan next will not undo this as well ?

Zardari is best seen as Bairam Khan ( who ran the affairs of the state after Humayun died and Akbar came of age to become the Emperor in Agra). There is a good chance he will meet the same fate as Bairam Khan did in the days ahead.He has after all been pichforked into prominence by circumstances not by popularity. His remarks should be seen in this light.A few things might change after the US presidential election too.

Having said this, I will go on to say that any attempts / thoughts at improving ties is laudable. India & Pakistan have so much to gain from each other and so much to lose by continued hostility.

 

[Mohammed Azizuddin]

This guy Zardari is'nt talking non-sense like i am gonna make a big hole in the ground by carrying out a nuclear test, or I am gonna liberate Kashmir in 3 months, or I am gonna wipe ou Isreal or something like that...he's talking about what could change the lives of thousands of Pakistanis......he's a man with a constructive and positive vision....

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

For starter lets agree on FTA, Open Skies and create a single currency market a la EU.
Freeze Kashmir issue for atleast 10 years and implement joint control and surveilliance of LOC. We can build enough bridges in a decade working together and learn to coexist, educate eachother and emerge as a strong regional power.

An excellent idea.

I support it whole heartedly.

However, those that wish to stir the pot will continue their activities!

 

[IceCold]

Yeah yeah whatever! A question here for my pakistani friends here who support such mind blowing ideas. Did you ever hear anything of this sort, such mind blowing ideas from the other side? Meaning why in the hell do we have to go out of the loop to give such extraordinary suggestions and making compromises on our part just to accomadate india's vision of this so called peace process? We will simply loose respect and nothing more. India does not need a force multiplier, all it needs is a weak pakistan which could be brought into the complete dominance of india which whenever and wherever like, could force her way on to us. Kinda of what is happening in srilanka, BD, Nepal. We need to realize india's real ambitions before coming up with these extraordinary suggestions. Indians havent moved one bit back from their stance, why in the hell are we? Dont we get it we could not even convince these indians on the gas pipe line project dispite of our massive assurances for one simple reason, they dont trust us, they never did and i am damn sure they never will, I dont understand how Mr.10% thinks he can make any difference.
While the dialouge procress should continue, it does not mean that everytime we meet, there is a compromise in our stance. What impression are we leaving to the world? Our we agreeing on to this fact that kashmir was never a disputed terrority and the freedom movement there was nothing more then a proxy war waged by pakistan. This kind of attitude from our political parties will make sure just one thing, " Pakistan will loose its face in the international community". Thats for sure.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

We will simply loose respect and nothing more

Ice cold the very statement of Zardari has gained Pakistan the kind of respect in us Indians eyes no nuclear or an artilery brigde could deliver to you for decades. Period

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Yeah yeah whatever! A question here for my pakistani friends here who support such mind blowing ideas. Did you ever hear anything of this sort, such mind blowing ideas from the other side? Meaning why in the hell do we have to go out of the loop to give such extraordinary suggestions and making compromises on our part just to accomadate india's vision of this so called peace process? We will simply loose respect and nothing more. India does not need a force multiplier, all it needs is a weak pakistan which could be brought into the complete dominance of india which whenever and wherever like, could force her way on to us. Kinda of what is happening in srilanka, BD, Nepal. We need to realize india's real ambitions before coming up with these extraordinary suggestions. Indians havent moved one bit back from their stance, why in the hell are we? Dont we get it we could not even convince these indians on the gas pipe line project dispite of our massive assurances for one simple reason, they dont trust us, they never did and i am damn sure they never will, I dont understand how Mr.10% thinks he can make any difference.
While the dialouge procress should continue, it does not mean that everytime we meet, there is a compromise in our stance. What impression are we leaving to the world? Our we agreeing on to this fact that kashmir was never a disputed terrority and the freedom movement there was nothing more then a proxy war waged by pakistan. This kind of attitude from our political parties will make sure just one thing, " Pakistan will loose its face in the international community". Thats for sure.

People like you are no leaders. You are a mere follower and you want Pakistan to be merely an appendage and so, your comments.

India has not indicated the same feeling as Zardari? Let us accept that for debate's sake. How is it that you have failed to notice that Zardari by stating so first, is laying down the ground rules. He is acting as a leader and not a camp follower as you are and you want Pakistan to be!

I am glad that India was not the first off the block, since naysayers like you would have pounced to give it a devious touch!

Though I have reservations about Zardari, but here, he seems to have taken the wind off India's sails and is enunciating a vision that others seem to have not seen!

Weakness is spawned by insecurity as displayed by the ilks of you. Here, Zardari seems to know his onions and is very confident of his country's destiny and of himself too.

One has to have face to lose it! Unlike you, he is quite confident of his country's face and he is ready to face the world on equal terms.

If only he were no Mr 10%, I would have been more comfortable.

 

[EagleEyes]

Ice cold the very statement of Zardari has gained Pakistan the kind of respect in us Indians eyes no nuclear or an artilery brigde could deliver to you for decades. Period

And we Pakistanis are still waiting to respect you.

Then there is a Thakrey specie.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

And we Pakistanis are still waiting to respect you.

Then there is a Thakrey specie.

It may surprise you that there are many who hate Thackeray more than you.

Pakistan gets the respect that it does with it acts.

To feel that Pakistan has no respect, is another error that many in Pakistan harbour.

There are problems with Pakistan, no doubt. But in an international arena, it is Pakistan first before others!

 

[Mohammed Azizuddin]

Ice cold the very statement of Zardari has gained Pakistan the kind of respect in us Indians eyes no nuclear or an artilery brigde could deliver to you for decades. Period

Definately yes, he surely has earned my respect,,, not only India, even the world will start respecting Pakistan.