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My advise to Pakistani, don't lose hope !

This nation wins when they finally wake up and realize that politicians are THEIR servants, the parliament building and all government offices are THEIRS.

We think of politicians as know all babboos who are blessing us with security and income, imposing whatever law they want in the way without any regard to the constitution
 
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Just be realistic, there are Chechen, Tatar under Russia

There are Uigyur under China

Do you want to wage Jihad to liberate them all in the name of Iman ?

We don't share blood with them, we don't share borders with them, we don't share a national identity with them. Kashmir was meant to be a part of our state, one third of Kashmir is in our state, Kashmiri's are buried in our flag, Kashmiri people wave our flag to celebrate our victories. It is an ideological and territorial dispute. Victory against our external enemy is not difficult, breaking the shackles of slavery from our internal enemy is what is holding us back.

You keep focusing on Kashmir and India - India is irrelevant to Pakistan's problem, military spending is insignificant in our economic issues. Our biggest problem as a lack of exports, high cost of energy and circular debt created by having to pay for energy we are not using because our industrial capability is so low. We got these shit deals thanks to corrupt politicians propped up by the military establishment. Our country went through 17 hours of national power shortage - the homes of the military leadership did not lack power - they are the top tier pharoahs.

We have this accute specifc problem because since the PTI govt was removed, the corrupt that have replaced them have been looting forex abroad into their own bank accounts and smuggling into Afghanistan at an unprecendented rate.

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Assume we give up on Kashmir and sign a peace deal with India, what changes then? The extra budget suddenly stops going to the armed forces and is spent on schools and healthcare?

Read this article on elite capture to have an understanding on how government in Pakistan operates for the elite.


Her detailed report is here on PDF too - https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-economic-cost-of-the-brown-raj-to-pakistan-17-4-billion.707559/

It is govt by the elites, for the elites - everything in this country is done to sustain them and so they can thrive and keep control of the country and the people.
 
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He is also extraordinarily stupid. He converted a debt crisis into great depression/economic collapse. It is as though you got migraine and decided to solve the problem by shooting a bullet through your brain.

Just from today's papers:
How dare you, sir. Ishaq Dar is the best and brighest that the most experienced political party in Pakistan has to offer. Why else would he be flown in on an airforce jet, get a clean chit in his corruption cases and proceed to do what he does best.
 
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There should be consensus on the long term planning. That is the work of economist, not politician.

Changing of government in Indonesia is not making we change our long term economic planning. The different is only in budget allocation and speed, not the program.

Raw material ban and downstreaming strategy you see in Indonesia for example is strategy made in parliament in 2009 under SBY government where his party is rival to current Jokowi government. The implementation is conducted in phases.
Nothing is stopping the current PDM government from hiring the best economists from around the world and setting an economic agenda, ideal for economic growth. But even the “ruling” PDM (a coalition of nearly all parties except PTI, which is suspicious if not down right conspiratorial) isn’t really in charge. So if the real rulers just make the economic changes, make the PDM facade rubber stamp it, and if the economic changes work, wouldn’t it fix the economy and win them support over IK.

The key issue is, no one is willing to make the economic reforms, because the elite will have to pay more in taxes. IK seems poised to make real structural changes but has no desire to embezzle funds to do it, he seems genuinely interested in building a more respected country that can sit proudly in the comity of nations. That is the source of his support. This is the time to the rulers and IK to negotiate, and at least in the first round of negotiations guarantee in writing elections will be held in October 2023, come hell or high water (unironically).

If Nawaz Sharif had done these changes in the 90s his entire political trajectory and reputation would have been completely different. Same goes for a PPP leader. These parties should welcome IK coming back into power and taking the blame for the hard decisions the nation needs. IK isn’t ruthless, he let Nawaz Sharif go to London on fake medical claims.

Btw, how did Indonesia reset its economic policies?

Secondly, is there a guarantee elections will come in October of this year. In most countries, at least people can say, let’s wait for elections. There is talk of a “caretaker government “ for a few years until IK’s popularity decreases. Anti-democratic policies make people feel they have NO voice, while they have to suffer under one bad policy after another.
 
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You know its a hopeless cause when PDF discussions about the country and economy are more thorough and effective than the government. These Sharifs and Zardaris really don't care. They hire foreign consultants to manage the country. For the 30 years I have been watching this sh*tshow and the best they could do was take a giant loan from China for a few roads. :lol:
 
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You know its a hopeless cause when PDF discussions about the country and economy are more thorough and effective than the government. These Sharifs and Zardaris really don't care. They hire foreign consultants to manage the country. For the 30 years I have been watching this sh*tshow and the best they could do was take a giant loan from China for a few roads. :lol:
PDF should just declare Martial Law and get it done with

We'll have Fools Nightmare as Martial Law Administrator
Abdul Rehman Majeed for FM
Battalion for CJCSC
and Titanium100 as Finance Minister

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @Abdul Rehman Majeed @Battlion25 @Titanium100
 
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The frustration felt by Pakistan PDF member is because they think only IK can solve the situation.

Matter of fact, even current Government has capability to solve the problem as well. Solusion on Pakistan economic problem I believe has already been made in term of plan. There must be long term economic plan that has already been set up.

Start the development by making peace with India and avoid another arm race with India that has 1.4 billion people and 3 trillion USD GDP (2022)
I guess u troll better than I do

Pakistan’s issue in a nutshell

- Thieves are leading the nation. That means the organs of the state would be pulverized. And then there is wrath by Allah when nations are ruled by thieves.

- No accountability of the crooks. The judiciary is a goner. Check the rankings.

- ECP encourages crooks and rigging. Sindh elections is a good example.

- The establishment just wont cede space and are knee deep involved in political engineering.

So the question is how will the above 4 points be rectified?
No in nutshell the problem is

"People"

Even Jinnah realized that showed middle finger to Pakistani and settled in England after 40 years of politics

Then Iqbal told him qoam has enough chatrool come back and he delivered in 7 years

Remember had people supportes Jinnah unconditionally Punjab and bengal would have been intact as he originally wanted
 
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I guess u troll better than I do


No in nutshell the problem is

"People"

Even Jinnah realized that showed middle finger to Pakistani and settled in England after 40 years of politics

Then Iqbal told him qoam has enough chatrool come back and he delivered in 7 years

Remember had people supportes Jinnah unconditionally Punjab and bengal would have been intact as he originally wanted

It seems that the Pakistani people and their ingrained backwards mindset is the reason for our lack of growth. Had they half the resolve of the Iranians, or the Turks, the Mafias would have been out a long time ago
 
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Time to lose hope, these Sharifs and Zardaris are like cockroaches. Can even survive a nuclear blast :lol:
 
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You know its a hopeless cause when PDF discussions about the country and economy are more thorough and effective than the government. These Sharifs and Zardaris really don't care. They hire foreign consultants to manage the country. For the 30 years I have been watching this sh*tshow and the best they could do was take a giant loan from China for a few roads. :lol:
It's genuinely pathetic but I expect nothing less from those bastard scum

What boils my blood is the so-called neutrals watching it happen
 
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The frustration felt by Pakistan PDF member is because they think only IK can solve the situation.

Matter of fact, even current Government has capability to solve the problem as well. Solusion on Pakistan economic problem I believe has already been made in term of plan. There must be long term economic plan that has already been set up.

Start the development by making peace with India and avoid another arm race with India that has 1.4 billion people and 3 trillion USD GDP (2022)
Rubbish Pak needs political stability and with a vacuum with the major and biggest party out of the assemblies no economic plan can succeed this is only possible with the people choosing their gov who is that gov should come in for full 5 years and take the hard decisions inc and esp rule of law issues and reform the foocking badshah army generals and their power.
 
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The frustration felt by Pakistan PDF member is because they think only IK can solve the situation.

Matter of fact, even current Government has capability to solve the problem as well. Solusion on Pakistan economic problem I believe has already been made in term of plan. There must be long term economic plan that has already been set up.

Start the development by making peace with India and avoid another arm race with India that has 1.4 billion people and 3 trillion USD GDP (2022)
Let Shahbaz Sharif run Pak Army and save it first, or let him run your own bank account and save that first. Why should Pakistanis suffer your experiments?

Wana make shahbaz COAS?

Peace with India on indian terms... lol. How about peace with Israel on Israeli terms as well...? How about being a gay state? What else are you willing to sell?
 
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Two pictures. Two personalities..

A prime minister who stole 24 billion from the nation, but started slandering the country when he was caught.

A soldier Maqbool Hussain, who was imprisoned by India for 40 years, cut his tongue, but did not say a word against the country.


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منڈی میں ڈالر کو سستا بیچ کر لاکھوں عربوں کما کر اب روپے کو گرایا جا رہا ہے ۔۔20 ارب ڈالر کے ذرائع اسی طرح اس حکومت نے پچھلے ایک سال میں اڑ دیا ہے

اگر ڈالر کو مارکیٹ ریٹ پر چھوڑ دے تو ابھی 180 سے 200 کی درمیانی رہتا ۔۔لیکن لوگوں کو کیڑا پڑا ہوا تھا ۔۔تین سو تک جا کے گرے گا ۔۔

کیونکہ آپ نے 20 ارب ڈالر کے ڈالر لوگوں کو دے دیے ہیں۔۔ڈالر امیروں نے صندوقوں میں بند کرکے ایان علی کے ہاتھ دبئی بجوادی ہیں

اب رونے دھونے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے یہ فیصلہ آپ نے خود ہی کیا تھا

نواز شریف زندہ باد
عمران خان مردہ باد
پرانا پاکستان زندہ باد
اس کے نعرے آپ ہی نہیں لگوائے تھے
اب مرد بن کر ان کو بھگتو

اب آپ نے گھبرانا نہیں ہے

اب قرض اتارو ملک سنوارو
 
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