Muslims in Europe face discrimination: Amnesty

[Banu Umayyah]

I don't know why would some Muslims want to immigrate to countries like France. They clearly don't want you there.

 

[Audio]

I don't know why would some Muslims want to immigrate to countries like France. They clearly don't want you there.

Must be the food.

 

[dearone4u_22]

yeah sure you define Muslims with a few extremists
if i was this unhonest, i would define Indian by the poor people diing in the streets... pls use your intelligence
or move a little bit to Europe before speaking about it

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Well Instead of preaching me.......... what are you doing to Show Good Side of Islam.....When this Extremist Come on Road Why don't peace loving Ppl like you Condemn Thier Action Or is it Muslim UnmaH thats Stopping You....
Don't Get me Wrong I have many Muslim Friends ...But onething i found in Common is that As soon As thing starts to Go Against You Or Not in your Favour ...You guys Pull out Miniority And Muslim oppression Card...
You think just coz u r muslim U must be treated Fair And Square .......weLL Thats is only possible Only in the Perfect world....

As far as this World Goes Everybody go their pie of the Sh*t to Handle

 

[Hussein]

I don't know why would some Muslims want to immigrate to countries like France. They clearly don't want you there.

Canada is better for sure

Well Instead of preaching me.......... what are you doing to Show Good Side of Islam.....

instead of insulting me, pls use your mind
what can we do against extremists?
1/ we beat them? then we go to jail
2/ we criticize them then just very few media will hear us
3/ the media like to focus on these fanatics but this is the job of the country to kick them out of England or France and this is not the business of Muslim communauty to do the job lol

 

[Developereo]

I have many Muslim Friends

No, you don't or you wouldn't make these uninformed comments.

As soon As thing starts to Go Against You Or Not in your Favour ...You guys Pull out Miniority And Muslim oppression Card...

That's right. Muslims control Amnesty International.

You're on to us...

 

[Banu Umayyah]

Canada is better for sure


instead of insulting me, pls use your mind
what can we do against extremists?
1/ we beat them? then we go to jail
2/ we criticize them then just very few media will hear us
3/ the media like to focus on these fanatics but this is the job of the country to kick them out of England or France and this is not the business of Muslim communauty to do the job lol

I am not an immigrant and never will be.

 

[Audio]

3/ the media like to focus on these fanatics but this is the job of the country to kick them out of England or France and this is not the business of Muslim communauty to do the job lol

Media is in the business of selling news. Non-sensational news sells bad.


What you guys are proposing would be possible in 30-40 years when all the old fashioned bigots who weren't taught tolerance would die off.
But now with 2 10 year wars against the extremist elements, the stained image on the rest of you will linger on for another generation probably...

 

[Developereo]

hmmm indeed it is more complicated than this:
the fascist parti (far right to be polite) is anti Islam , very low tolerance to any sign of Islam, even they made a big deal of halal food here
Sarkozy is not exactly doing anti Islam speech but he is using one part of the speech of this parti: too many immigrates, france should control in the frontiers (and then not respect the schengen area deal), but with some speech unclear and showing he is not really having a good pic of muslims. the campaign spokeman is a young guy who was friendly with the FN fascist parti and he was the spokeman of De Villiers, royalist having anti Islam speechs (but not only)

Hollande is very very different: he calls for unity: any French is French whatever is his religion and he blames Sarkozy that he led the people to vote for FN : the candidate of Left wing Melenchon explained that because Sarkozy needed votes he used the immigration and security speech so much that he was participating in the "ambiance" to vote for FN

As well as you say, the economic condition is really bad here: and some companies employ lot of immigrates from Morroco for exemple in South and don't even respect the employments rules and then these jobs are not accessible for "French" people . The fact as well that poor suburbs of some cities are populated by poor people and half of them are black or arab, makes the French feel that they don't make any effort to work when obviously these poor people are the victims of the bad economy of France.

You are right that xenophobes exploit the economic situation to push their agenda: people always need scapegoats. In the US, they blame Hispanic migrants and Chinese/Indian outsourcing. In England and some parts of Western Europe, they blame the Romanians and East Europeans. There is no 'integration' excuse in these cases. Sarkozy even tried to score cheap points at the expense of the Roma gypsies.

The anti-Muslim crowd is just using this opportunity to push their agenda.

 

[SBD-3]

It's amazing how the bigots have swarmed the thread with their illogical off-topic remarks.

What on God's green Earth does the situation in Islamic countries have to do with the status of Muslim citizens in Western countries?

To even make that connection betrays the bigotry underlying their thought process: to view these citizens as aliens who belong to 'those' countries and not the country where they are born/living. Would these bigots justify black slavery in the West because African countries had certain conditions?

Bottom line: we are talking about the rights of Western citizens who are entitled to the same rights as any other fellow citizen. The comparison is with other fellow citizens, not some random country half a world away.

What do you expect from them? some constructive activities?.......huh......

The problem with my Indian friends is that its not their fault? its what systemically fed to them. I had posted before that if a hindu or a christian kills others, he is just a killer. But when a person do so how is muslim by name, he becomes "Muslim Killer". When somebody attacks civilians in Norway, he is a "criminal". But when some body with a muslim name does so, he is quickly called "muslim killer" or more famously "a terrorist". Its ironic, but its true. It sells in India and west, rule of business.
Some body has rightly said, "woh qatal bhee kardain to charcha nahi hota, hum aaah bhee bhar lain to ho jatay hain badnam"

 

[Developereo]

I don't know why would some Muslims want to immigrate to countries like France. They clearly don't want you there.

In many cases, we are talking about people who are born in these countries. They did not chose to immigrate, that is their home.

The problem with my Indian friends is that its not their fault? its what systemically fed to them. I had posted before that if a hindu or a christian kills others, he is just a killer. But when a person do so how is muslim by name, he becomes "Muslim Killer". When somebody attacks civilians in norways, he is a "criminal". But when some body with a muslim name does so, he is quickly called "muslim killer". Its ironic, but its true. It sells in India and west, rule of business.

Yes. If Kony from the (Christian) Lord's Resistance Army had been a Muslim, every single headline about him would have used the word 'Muslim'.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

In many cases, we are talking about people who are born in these countries. They did not chose to immigrate, that is their home.

I wonder how European coverts to Islam fare in this situation?

Since the modern stream of anti-Muslim prejudice has racial elements too.

 

[shuntmaster]

Turkey is a Muslim-majority country, and secular too.

Malaysia is a secular Muslim-majority country, that has 1/3 of it's population made up of pork eating Chinese atheists.

This is a myth propagated by the so called Muslim moderates that Malaysia is a secular country. Just go and read up on the racist bhumiputra rules in the Malaysian constitution. 40% of Malaysians are non-Muslims. Also, most Chinese, who make up about 27% of Malaysian population, are not atheists. Most Chinese Malaysians are Taoists or Buddhists or Christians. Yes, and the non-Malay Malaysians love the pork. The day the Malaysian government stops pork or interferes in the way non-malays live and eat, there will be civil war in the country. Its not that Malays don't try to interfere, but mostly they are not successful.
If Malaysia is supposed to be the shining beacon of Islamic moderation, then I can only say that the Muslim benchmark for moderation is really very low. The worst of Europe is better than the best in muslim world.

 

[Developereo]

I wonder how European coverts to Islam fare in this situation?

Since the modern stream of anti-Muslim prejudice has racial elements too.

Not sure. In some sense, I would expect it would be worse since they have abandoned their 'side' and gone over to the other side, but that's just a guess. Conversely, if, as you noted, the xenophobia is mainly racial, then the converts would fare better.

I don't know if there are any studies exploring this question.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not sure. In some sense, I would expect it would be worse since they have abandoned their 'side' and gone over to the other side, but that's just a guess. Conversely, if, as you noted, the xenophobia is mainly racial, then the converts would fare better.

I don't know if there are any studies exploring this question.

I think it is a combination of both religious and racial prejudice, similar to the European persecution of the Jews.

Who ironically have turned around and are now perpetuating this same prejudice against Muslims instead.

 

[fallstuff]

Europeans are nations in decline in terms of white folks. The population of this particular race becoming minority, yes they are very worried.