Muslims in Europe face discrimination: Amnesty

[humanfirst]

Left Wingers in Western countries get their lips wet just thinking about political correctness and trying to "protect" muslims or other minority groups.

It's a massive love fest. However, if they went to an islamic country, they wouldn't be offered the same treatment.

How non Muslim are treated in some islamic countries are neither benchmark for europeans nor it should be the justification of discrimaination.Anything which discriminates people for being in a particular group(or race)is condemnable-no matter whether it is done by europeans,arabs,indians or martians.

 

[Hussein]

Left Wingers in Western countries get their lips wet just thinking about political correctness and trying to "protect" muslims or other minority groups.

It's a massive love fest. However, if they went to an islamic country, they wouldn't be offered the same treatment.

ok but this is no comparison
the majority of muslim people consider for exemple in France to be first French and what is important is that they have all the same rights as other citizens. if this is not true in some "said muslim" countries, it doesn't mean they should copy, immitate the worst countries

 

[Supply&Demand]

ok but this is no comparison
the majority of muslim people consider for exemple in France to be first French and what is important is that they have all the same rights as other citizens. if this is not true in some "said muslim" countries, it doesn't mean they should copy, immitate the worst countries

But this definitely plays in every non-muslim's mind, that non-muslims die in hundreds if not thousands in muslim countries..
But muslims immigrate to non-muslim countries and try to change laws according to their faith using the 'secularism' card..

Tell me something, if in future France becomes muslim majority, how long will it take for the 'secularism' principle to be removed from the constitution?

 

[Hussein]

But this definitely plays in every non-muslim's mind, that non-muslims die in hundreds if not thousands in muslim countries..
But muslims immigrate to non-muslim countries and try to change laws according to their faith using the 'secularism' card..

Tell me something, if in future France becomes muslim majority, how long will it take for the 'secularism' principle to be removed from the constitution?

even in Iran the muslims die hundred times more than christians so don't make a generality of persecution of non muslims ... this is non sense: many countries are very tolerant, Lebanon, Turkey, Morocco , and so on.

Muslim majority in France is not possible . Catholic religion is by far the first religion here.
But the principle is laic yes.
And by the way the muslims in France are a big majority of very tolerant people and they don't make problems here. The killer of Toulouse was a sick minded young guy... muslim authorities all said he had nothing to do with Islam.

 

[dearone4u_22]

ok but this is no comparison
the majority of muslim people consider for exemple in France to be first French and what is important is that they have all the same rights as other citizens. if this is not true in some "said muslim" countries, it doesn't mean they should copy, immitate the worst countries

Oh My God .....I can't believe this News....... This is so pathetic after all, least Muslim population Demands are Imposition Of Shariah Law in England ..... They Called Local Ppl Kafirs And they must be Eliminated ...........So what they Plan to blow themselves up in Busy street Now and then killing Innocent Ppl along with them in name of religion .............

But that Doesn't mean They shld be Discriminated Against.......Only If they leaved Peacefully according to the rule of law of that Country would be such Discrimination Justified .....

I wonder why does this always happens to my muslims brothers

 

[shuntmaster]

if christians are forcefully converted in muslim countries, thats ok.
but this, discrimination against muslims in employement, etc by christian nations, must be addressed.

Is there any amnesty report on condition of non-muslims in Islamic countries?
Is amnesty even allowed to go these countries to investigate and report?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Tell me something, if in future France becomes muslim majority, how long will it take for the 'secularism' principle to be removed from the constitution?

Turkey is a Muslim-majority country, and secular too.

Malaysia is a secular Muslim-majority country, that has 1/3 of it's population made up of pork eating Chinese atheists.

 

[Hussein]

Oh My God .....I can't believe this News....... This is so pathetic after all, least Muslim population Demands are Imposition Of Shariah Law in England ..... They Called Local Ppl Kafirs And they must be Eliminated ...........So what they Plan to blow themselves up in Busy street Now and then killing Innocent Ppl along with them in name of religion .............

yeah sure you define Muslims with a few extremists
if i was this unhonest, i would define Indian by the poor people diing in the streets... pls use your intelligence
or move a little bit to Europe before speaking about it

 

[Developereo]

It's amazing how the bigots have swarmed the thread with their illogical off-topic remarks.

What on God's green Earth does the situation in Islamic countries have to do with the status of Muslim citizens in Western countries?

To even make that connection betrays the bigotry underlying their thought process: to view these citizens as aliens who belong to 'those' countries and not the country where they are born/living. Would these bigots justify black slavery in the West because African countries had certain conditions?

Bottom line: we are talking about the rights of Western citizens who are entitled to the same rights as any other fellow citizen. The comparison is with other fellow citizens, not some random country half a world away.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Is there any amnesty report on condition of non-muslims in Islamic countries?
Is amnesty even allowed to go these countries to investigate and report?

They are free to report whatever they need in respect to Muslim-majority countries. And achieve whatever are the goals of the organization.

Except, this is about Western nations. Not Muslim-majority countries

And according to one Indian chap here, Muslims control Amnesty

I mean seriously, the sheer level of bigotry here is astounding!

Random, fragmented feelings are what screwed the South Asian region to begin with. Now let's not get "Holier than thou".

 

[illusion8]

How non Muslim are treated in some islamic countries are neither benchmark for europeans nor it should be the justification of discrimaination.Anything which discriminates people for being in a particular group(or race)is condemnable-no matter whether it is done by europeans,arabs,indians or martians.

you are right, but people who oppress non muslims in their own muslim country and don't even object to it should not complain of discrimination against them in non muslim countries. Its a clear case of pot calling the kettle black. Their treatment and prejudice to minorities is far worse than what they face in non muslim countries. I don't think there is a single muslim country in the world which does not have a bias towards minorities. People are bound to react adversely against them in a negative manner.

 

[Developereo]

Ironically, the Indians here are the biggest anti-Muslim bigots, yet though their own country India has the 3rd largest population of Muslims on the planet.

They are sowing the seeds of another partition.

I wouldn't go as far as partition but there is an ongoing battle within India between the extremists and the moderates. Let's leave it at that or this will sidetrack into an Indian thread.

you are right, but people who oppress non muslims in their own muslim country and don't even object to it should not complain of discrimination against them in non muslim countries. Its a clear case of pot calling the kettle black. Their treatment and prejudice to minorities is far worse than what they face in non muslim countries. I don't think there is a single muslim country in the world which does not have a bias towards minorities. People are bound to react adversely against them in a manner.

So how exactly is a Belgian born Muslim woman responsible for the 'oppression' of non-Muslims in ... I don't know which country ... she is a Belgian citizen, born and bred...

Why are you holding her responsible for the behavior of random people half a world away?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So how exactly is a Belgian born Muslim woman responsible for the 'oppression' of non-Muslims in ... I don't know which country ... she is a Belgian citizen, born and bred...

Why are you holding her responsible for the behavior of random people half a world away?

I would love to see even one of the Indians who posted in this thread being able to answer this.

They justify anti-Muslim discrimination, by pointing out the conditions and/or discrimination in selected Muslim countries.

Imagine if they applied that logic to their own country, India is quite well known for institutionalized discrimination on the basis of caste for example.

 

[illusion8]

I wouldn't go as far as partition but there is an ongoing battle within India between the extremists and the moderates. Let's leave it at that or this will sidetrack into an Indian thread.



So how exactly is a Belgian born Muslim woman responsible for the 'oppression' of non-Muslims in ... I don't know which country ... she is a Belgian citizen, born and bred...

Why are you holding her responsible for the behavior of random people half a world away?

Muslims are categorized into a group bcos they dont easily assimilate into the general population of their host country, they tend to stick to their culture, People do get biased based on the information available, There is a smear campaign against Muslims that's in full steam in the west and the present events in many muslim countries do act as a fuel. I am not justifying it, but I don't see any objections too in Muslim countries against the discrimination against minorities.

 

[Developereo]

Muslims are categorized into a group bcos they dont easily assimilate into the general population of their host country, they tend to stick to their culture,

Circular argument.

A Muslim woman wearing a headscarf is not 'assimilating', but a Hindu with a red dot or a Sikh with a turban or kirpan is 'assimilating'?

A Muslim man with a beard is not 'assimilating', but a Hassidic Jew or an Amish Christian or a Sikh with an equally large beard is 'assimilating'?

The Amnesty international specifically talks about these aspects and the prejudice built up around this 'assimilation' canard.

I will give you an example I have used before: girls headscarf. Many European countries discriminate against girls in education and sport because they wear the headscarf. FIFA bans the headscarf. The American Girls Scouts, on the other hand, incorporated the scarf into their dress code. That's because the American Girls Scouts is not interested in how Muslim countries treat their girls, but how American Muslim girls should have access to the same opportunities as other American girls.