Muslim gymnast criticised for 'revealing' costume as she wins double-gold!

[nForce]

In athletics, the goal is to express the capabilities of the human body to its limits and those limits will have the body, male and female, performing deeds and positioning itself in various positions. It is only the imagination that will sexualize everything the human body can do.

I have been an athlete my entire life related to gymnastics as a child and then mostly football and cricket. And I wear shorts for the most of the part, or track pants if it is a rather cold morning . Same is it anywhere else.

Why is this question of capabilities and limits of human body coming to the picture only in case of a woman ? Why does a woman have to perform gymnastics wearing that swimsuit thing and not the man ? You will see, it is quite common for men to perform gymnastics wearing shorts or track pants and a vest.

Now, I have nothing against women taking off their clothes, just like any other healthy male I would enjoy looking at a naked female body, provided she has the right proportions. But there are different purposes and hence different necessities. We don't have to sexualize each and every event involving women. Sometimes these women consciously do that themselves.

If the female athlete wants to wear such a costume, by all means, go ahead, who am I to stop her. But, there should not be any kind of peer pressure or 'expectation' from her, and then she does not want to be the black-sheep and later the same girl is found defending herself, that's just typical knee-jerk reaction.

 

[utraash]

“Say to the believing women that: they should cast down their glances and guard their private parts (by being chaste)…”
“...and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their khumur over their bosoms...”

Khumur is plural of khimar "the veil covering the head". So the word khimar, by definition, means a piece of cloth that covers the head. The meaning of khimar and the context in which the verse was revealed clearly talks about concealing the head and then using the loose ends of the scarf to conceal the neck and the bosom.

“O Prophet! Say toyour wives, your daughters, and the women of the believers that: they should let down upon themselves their jalabib.”

Jalabib is the plural of jilbab, which means a loose outer garment.

This means that the Islamic dress code for women does not only consist of a scarf that covers the head, the neck and the bosom; it also includes the overall dress that should be long and loose.

So, for instance, the combination of a tight, short sweater with tight-fitting jeans with a scarf over the head does not fulfill the requirements of the Islamic dress code.

Isn't it enough?

Did prophet try to fix the heads of men who cant go beyond flesh ? Any instruction from Prophet regarding what man should see in a Woman ?

 

[utraash]

You think that Malaysian woman DOES NOT know what an Islamic Dress Code is? If she grew up in a Muslim country, she can't be uneducated enough to understand what Muslim women wear usually
And regarding Malaysian "tolerance", here is all the information you may ever need on violent use of flogging and caning in Malaysia for "crimes" we consider nuts here in the Western world:
JUDICIAL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT: video clips: Malaysia
Caning in Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


LOL . I didn't ask for autonomy on religious matters or taking authority on religion "away" from original religious scholars. What I said what was that unless these centuries old religious rulings regarding modesty of woman are reformed to work in the modern world, there is no hope for gullible Muslims in the present or future

What I said was perfectly valid and it is true. Mullahs alone should not decide what is the "right" and "wrong" in Islam. Since faith is a matter of human being with his / her G-d, its still up to the individual to decide on how they will follow their religion. Sure they are free to give their opinions, but coercing people into accepting their own religious rulings as something divine and at par with rest of Islam is lame

Ppl need to come out of some of so called divinity of 7th century ............

 

[mike2000 is back]

I agree with some Pakistani members here though, she should have wore a dress that covers her whole body better, since as we can see in the posts some members here posted the Quran demands women to cover their body. So since she is a Muslim, she ought to follow her religion /culture.
If she wants to go along with her own choice, think she ought to change religion or stop being Muslim and immigrate say to the West, where she will be free to do what she wants without anybody caring and it wouldn't be controversial in Muslim world since she wouldn't be Muslim by then. so it's better to follow your own religion /culture when you are practicing it, there should be no middle ground. So in this I agree with some Pakistani members here. Either you follow your own Muslim religion or you quit the religion of you don't agree with it's principles, that way you attract less attention /controversy.

 

[jamahir]

Obviously she can't do gymnastics in 'Burkha' now ...

now, i want to see that.

and can those members defending the mullah's statement also condemn the mullah-led nato-created invasions of libya and syria that are happening now ??

my only criticism of female gymnastics is that the participants are generally too slim for my taste.

 

[gambit]

I have been an athlete my entire life related to gymnastics as a child and then mostly football and cricket. And I wear shorts for the most of the part, or track pants if it is a rather cold morning . Same is it anywhere else.

Why is this question of capabilities and limits of human body coming to the picture only in case of a woman ? Why does a woman have to perform gymnastics wearing that swimsuit thing and not the man ? You will see, it is quite common for men to perform gymnastics wearing shorts or track pants and a vest.

Now, I have nothing against women taking off their clothes, just like any other healthy male I would enjoy looking at a naked female body, provided she has the right proportions. But there are different purposes and hence different necessities. We don't have to sexualize each and every event involving women. Sometimes these women consciously do that themselves.

If the female athlete wants to wear such a costume, by all means, go ahead, who am I to stop her. But, there should not be any kind of peer pressure or 'expectation' from her, and then she does not want to be the black-sheep and later the same girl is found defending herself, that's just typical knee-jerk reaction.

You commented about a woman's opened legs.

Why a girl doing gymnastics has to spread her legs...

If a woman wear shorts and her movements requires her to open her legs, it would not matter one bit if it was shorts or body leotard.

 

[Jf Thunder]

True, he has a right to air his opinion. But it makes me wonder why he (and countless others) opine only about women, and never about men. Here is Ahmad Amsyar Asman, a muslim swimmer from the same country:

Why does that not set off anybody's immorality detectors? Is it so hard to see the double standard being practiced?

well she has a point, even this dude is not properly observing purdah

 

[Zarvan]

well she has a point, even this dude is not properly observing purdah

He is doing Haram to

 

[Jf Thunder]

He is doing Haram to

 

[Jungibaaz]

What work she is doing sorry but this work is not allowed in Islam and is prohibited

There are plenty of things not allowed in Islam, most of us do everyday.

Excuse me if I don't recognize every other person or cleric as some moral authority or God himself.

 

[nForce]

You commented about a woman's opened legs.


If a woman wear shorts and her movements requires her to open her legs, it would not matter one bit if it was shorts or body leotard.

Why a man has to do that wearing shorts and a woman wearing a leotard ?

Sorry, I decline to measure how many millimeters further before we get to see her crotch.

 

[jamahir]

If you are a Muslim woman, read Quran first and pose these questions to Allah. He specifically tells women to be modest.

sir, since you have read enough of quran ( read, yes?? and not recited only?? ), i recommend you go help the syrian army defend against the munafiqoon of ikhwaan, fsa, qaeda, taliban, jemah etc that are plaguing syria like cockroaches and dogs and rats.

i wish you a good journey and fight.

There are plenty of things not allowed in Islam, most of us do everyday

pakistan has a stock exchange, so does saudia, so does malaysia... i don't see @Zarvan or the malaysian cleric condemn those.

 

[Zarvan]

There are plenty of things not allowed in Islam, most of us do everyday.

Excuse me if I don't recognize every other person or cleric as some moral authority or God himself.

Its GOD who prohibited these things their are clear rules and those come up with excuse which you are coming up with is just another way of justifying Haram

 

[Jungibaaz]

the man has a job as a cleric, and that is what he is doing. Either he was invited to a television show, or he gave his opinion where he preaches, he did not go to the lady and hit her over the head. There is no way we should start telling clerics to stop telling us what they think is right. I mean the social media has people who follow him and for them this seemed right, and if he was invited to a place to talk it was his wish what he said, as far as chastising goes, or telling her she is wrong he can do that. He no where said we will kill you or harm you, I wonder what the issue remains other then cheap publicity for a useless topic

Where did I say anything about silencing him or stopping him?

He's allowed to criticize others, by God, I'm allowed to criticize him. He hasn't threatened her, obviously not, that would make him a criminal. Though, I won't put aside the fact, that this is not a big step for some. The point here is that criticism like this actually impacts people's lives. I'm not sure how aware you are of twitter mobs and media wide shaming leading professionals of various backgrounds being sacked or resigning.

Besides, maybe this lady does indeed have no alternative, what she is wearing there is by all means standard gymnastics wear. The more modest suits I've are meant to conceal, part of gymnastics at professional level is to do with form and shape, they are judged on this, and having clothing that doesn't reveal the figure, might actually lead to a worse result.

Jungi bhai as u said if i were interested i would look beyond what she is wearing'.do u remember pakistani female footballers thread here in sports section, the thread was later locked.anyone could any time visit the thread and check the oggling happening.
So not everyone will think like u and will look beyond clothing etc. Majority dont.

I don't deny this, in fact, I had a conversation on this forum about modest clothing and what most people, rather most men are like. However, if this is her choice, then leave it be, there are a billion other things to do in this world before you go measuring how tight or how loose and what shape a gymnasts' clothing should be.

 

[M.SAAD]

before going on a rant learn the job of clerics and Mullahs as you keep calling them, Chastising is the right of a cleric, it is an equal right for her not to listen, That is the basis of freedom of expression.
And stop your abusive rants because you can use civil language adding stars does not make it okay. consider that a warning[/QUOTE]




I'll use which ever terms I think are suitable for them


They are Mullah, Mullah ,Mullah , Mullah good for nothing Mullahs who contribute nothing to the society except for brainwashing people and increasing hate and terrorism .

 

[Zarvan]

sir, since you have read enough of quran ( read, yes?? and not recited only?? ), i recommend you go help the syrian army defend against the munafiqoon of ikhwaan, fsa, qaeda, taliban, jemah etc that are plaguing syria like cockroaches and dogs and rats.

i wish you a good journey and fight.



pakistan has a stock exchange, so does saudia, so does malaysia... i don't see @Zarvan or the malaysian cleric condemn those.

Islam and socialism is different so stop mixing both