Freedom from preconceived notions, in favour of a position thought through on one's own, whether admired or criticised by others.0000
Trojan horse, disingenuous or naive...
Yes, to the residents of Troy. We each have to decide if we are part of the problem, or part of the solution. This is my half-baked immature wisdom, and I put it up in a spirit of meekness.
It obviates in fact obfuscates the role men play in the society ...
How is that relevant? And why should a woman not exercise the freedom of choice of her use of her body?
Men are known to share a woman for a sum as long as the consequence of their copulation with opposite gender remain with her...(oldest profession, some say)
It is the problem of the men; why should it reflect on the freedom of choice of women?
Hadid or any such ... emancipated, on the throne, trailblazers... represent curated and choreographed narrative carefully presented as uninhibited and nonchalant "role models"!
Of course living captive to their own narrative... only to become victims to it!
Remember "me too"?
Yes, I remember 'me too'. I know of it from long before, when a close relative was subject to an attempted assault in a night train journey. Me too and assaults on women has nothing to do with their decision to hew their own path.
Your point about a curated narrative is valid as long as the protagonist - the curated - is unconscious of being a stalking horse. A Trojan Horse? No, a stalking horse.
Who then gets the blame?
Why those who peddled the first wave/stage feminism then back peddle or retract as aspects play out and come full circle... only to show remorse and find pitfalls in their own narrative followed subsequently in it's second and third iteration(and who by the way enlightens the larpers that we are now playing the third act in countries like India?).
Once I can decipher your thorny syntax, and once I can figure out your references, which are not clear at the moment - remember immature wisdom? Its limitations? Dirty Harry said it best - I will certainly think about it.
Victims of all this remain nameless and speechless with no recourse, their grievances muffled and lives destroyed... except the namesake trailblazers and role models keep drawing new lines in the sand, changing the narrative, shifting goal post or otherwise drifting with the sands of time and never held culpable.
That would apply to every single instance of the breach of individual rights, not simply to those that apply to women, or to the plight of women who are unable to enjoy the protection that is alleged that trail-blazers receive. I hope you see the fallacies in that argument, without being made to suffer a boring exegesis of the matter.
This discourse, it's underlying context and philosophy, attributes and correlation is based in a society that only mimics west, superficially at that... so, where exactly does India stand, on a discourse, that is female emancipation? scattered and scrambled ground
Hang the west. I am saying this in the Indian context, purely.
For your viewing pleasure, I suggest looking up 'Blank Noise'.
On to the core issue...
How do you define female emancipation? What is that emancipation grounded in?
Free will.
Can it be implemented without legislation?
Yes, but legislation will lend it additional support. As legislation inevitably does, sometimes generations after the essential problem is diagnosed.
Is state patronage necessary if legislated? Who is responsible in case of any fallout... on health, happiness, security and lives of people subjected to it? Can the proponents be held accountable for the subsequent fallout?
I see that the dire consequences of adult franchise without property qualifications haunts you, and the horrors of extending the franchise to women is even heavier on your psyche.
Forgive the pachydermal undertone, but it is tempting to issue a clarion call to come into the 19th century, forthwith, and to prepare the foundations for a future desperate break into the 20th.
You say, no body should or shouldn't tell women... yet, from over clothing such as breast tax or French veil tax to indecent exposure fines are/were mostly legislated... with shabby grounding or pretexts.
Does that not show that patriarchy is pernicious, in whatever form it is encountered?
So, which is it...
clothing optional? clothe or not to clothe? Or Only a fashion statement?
Not my business, nor anybody else's. It is that of the individual. When Japanese men and women share baths, and walk home stark naked in the freezing snow, nobody bats an eyelid. When some kid wears a head-scarf, people go ballistic and other people, in their mature wisdom, contemplate the implications of such pernicious libertarian behaviour. Pity, that.
It just so happens... might makes right! And legislation whatever it maybe on whomsoever's rights... inclusive or exclusive... remains an understanding among men... to honor or not... yield yet to a rules based order.
What do you think women are complaining about?
While you are in contemplative mode, do look up the theories of Marija Gimbutas regarding the change in society due to the injection of patriarchal religion.
Whose order? Another tale, another time... perhaps.
I shall look forward with keen anticipation to your post. Please be sure that your challenges and brilliantly formulated thrusts are admired, and it is hoped that you will continue.
Define emancipation...
Trojan horse, disingenuous or naive...
It obviates in fact obfuscates the role men play in the society ...
Men are known to share a woman for a sum as long as the consequence of their copulation with opposite gender remain with her...(oldest profession, some say)
Hadid or any such ... emancipated, on the throne, trailblazers... represent curated and choreographed narrative carefully presented as uninhibited and nonchalant "role models"!
Of course living captive to their own narrative... only to become victims to it!
Remember "me too"?
Who then gets the blame?
Why those who peddled the first wave/stage feminism then back peddle or retract as aspects play out and come full circle... only to show remorse and find pitfalls in their own narrative followed subsequently in it's second and third iteration(and who by the way enlightens the larpers that we are now playing the third act in countries like India?).
Victims of all this remain nameless and speechless with no recourse, their grievances muffled and lives destroyed... except the namesake trailblazers and role models keep drawing new lines in the sand, changing the narrative, shifting goal post or otherwise drifting with the sands of time and never held culpable.
This discourse, it's underlying context and philosophy, attributes and correlation is based in a society that only mimics west, superficially at that... so, where exactly does India stand, on a discourse, that is female emancipation? scattered and scrambled ground
On to the core issue...
How do you define female emancipation? What is that emancipation grounded in? Can it be implemented without legislation? Is state patronage necessary if legislated? Who is responsible in case of any fallout... on health, happiness, security and lives of people subjected to it? Can the proponents be held accountable for the subsequent fallout?
You say, no body should or shouldn't tell women... yet, from over clothing such as breast tax or French veil tax to indecent exposure fines are/were mostly legislated... with shabby grounding or pretexts.
So, which is it...
clothing optional? clothe or not to clothe? Or Only a fashion statement?
It just so happens... might makes right! And legislation whatever it maybe on whomsoever's rights... inclusive or exclusive... remains an understanding among men... to honor or not... yield yet to a rules based order.
Whose order? Another tale, another time... perhaps.
This is perhaps the most brilliant post on the subject so far.
I happen to disagree; even a cat may look at a king.
