Muslim girls wearing Hijab barred from classes at Indian college

[satyamev]

You can label them whatever you like, that is your choice, he is an educated scholar of Islamic scripture and has more rights and credentials to talk on matters related to Islam than a random website.

And they always quote their reference when making claims with Quranic verses and/or Hadith.


There's no "we", there is only "you".

An individual decides how he interprets something for himself, not you, not your government.

Your random articles that are a statistically insignificant minority to the beliefs of actual Muslims mean nothing. 99.9% of Muslims, and educated Islamic scholars who Muslims refer to for knowledge, have mandated the hijab as compulsory.

And you pull up a couple politically motivated articles and insignificant websites thinking you have disproved decades of educated Islamic scholars' rulings.

Lol.

You are making yourself look like a fool here, honestly, either make some logically coherent arguments or just stop replying.

By the way, one of your own links seems to be disproving your own argument. @Adonis

A lot of travel videos of Pakistan show women roaming around without any hijab or even their head covered ? Is it frowned upon ? are they mostly expats ?
If hijab is compulsory under Islamic why is the Islamic republic not enforcing it ?
If its voluntary then it's not compulsory .

 

[TheSolution]

A lot of travel videos of Pakistan show women roaming around without any hijab or even their head covered ? Is it frowned upon ? are they mostly expats ?
If hijab is compulsory under Islamic why is the Islamic republic not enforcing it ?
If its voluntary then it's not compulsory .

Have you ever heard of "freedom of choice"?

I'm sure it must exist in the "world's largest democracy", does it?

What is stated as compulsory in religion is compulsory, whether someone chooses to follow the religion is a choice they personally make.

We don't force anyone to be Muslim, nor do we force anyone to follow Islamic rulings. That's called a choice. But that does NOT change religious ruling.

And how do you know they are Muslim? Do they tell the camera, or personally message you?

I know Sikhs who do not wear turbans, Hindus who eat beef, don't consider the cow as anything special. Does this mean the turban is not compulsory? Eating beef is perfectly acceptable in Hinduism, and the cow is just an ordinary animal, correct?

 

[Adonis]

Tell me what is factually incorrect? Hindu temples show images of beastiality, sati was a common practice until it was banned by the British. Hindu temples had and have deodasis. Even today Hindus widows are thrown out their of homes and have to live at the mercy of others. Caste system is embedded into the Hindu culture of today. There are enough videos on YouTube where Hindus are consuming or using excrement. Indian prime minister and actors are on record that they consume human excrement. These are facts. You cannot deny them. They are not hate content.

It is ironic that you try to disguise your obvious Islamophobia because of some individual choice to wear a Hijab but when facts are stated about your own beliefs you cry “hate content”. Height of hypocrisy.

1. I am not a Hindu
2. The topic is on whether hijab compulsory or matter of choice?....as you mentioned "choice", then choices cannot be accommodated where there is a dress code.....I cannot go to a mosque in shorts, just because it's my choice.....there are rules to follow..... that Indian school is not stopping those girls from wearing hijab in school or out of school, they said it's against dress code to do so in a class room.....what is wrong in that?

 

[Bossman]

Have you ever heard of "freedom of choice"?

I'm sure it must exist in the "world's largest democracy", does it?

What is stated as compulsory in religion is compulsory, whether someone chooses to follow the religion is a choice they personally make.

We don't force anyone to be Muslim, nor do we force anyone to follow Islamic rulings. That's called a choice. But that does NOT change religious ruling.

I know Sikhs who do not wear turbans, Hindus who eat beef, don't consider the cow as anything special. Does this mean the turban is not compulsory? Eating beef is perfectly acceptable in Hinduism, and the cow is just an ordinary animal, correct?

Bleek, I am sorry you don’t have the right to speak and represent all religions. You have to take a stand. You are totally confused.

 

[TheSolution]

Bleek, I am sorry you don’t have the right to speak and represent all religions. You have to take a stand. You are totally confused.

What did I say wrong?

 

[Bossman]

1. I am not a Hindu
2. The topic is on whether hijab compulsory or matter of choice?....as you mentioned "choice", then choices cannot be accommodated where there is a dress code.....I cannot go to a mosque in shorts, just because it's my choice.....there are rules to follow..... that Indian school is not stopping those girls from wearing hijab in school or out of school, they said it's against dress code to do so in a class room.....what is wrong in that?

Ok then start with changing the dress code for Sikhs in the Indian Military. Get rid of the Turbans and then see what happens to the Indian Military.

One thing you don’t understand is the power that the Hijab gives to Muslim women. It gives them the power to go out and take on the world. 100% of the Hijab is the choice of the women not something forced upon them as your RSS types and even Liberals want the world to belief. I know European and American women who were not born Muslim who by choice have started to wear the Hijab. Open your mind and smell the roses. It has been stuck in your own a$$ too long.

 

[Longhorn]

What a person wears should not be a question of religious requirement or practice but a question of civil liberties and democratic rights and choices.
It is a personal choice if someone wishes to cover their head or hair, much the same as anyone that doesn't wish to do so.
As far as uniform or dress code goes, uniform or dress codes should always take into consideration the religious and cultural sensibilities of all sectors of the population, and they do in most sensible and reasonable societies, and not try to impose the wishes and preferences of the majority onto the minority.
It is a fundamental right of anyone to wear whatever they feel comfortable wearing as long as their mode of dress is culturally appropriate and acceptable.
No one can argue that covering ones head is culturally unacceptable, offensive or something unfamiliar to any religion or community in India.

 

[Adonis]

You can label them whatever you like, that is your choice, he is an educated scholar of Islamic scripture and has more rights and credentials to talk on matters related to Islam than a random website.

And they always quote their reference when making claims with Quranic verses and/or Hadith.


There's no "we", there is only "you".

An individual decides how he interprets something for himself, not you, not your government.

Your random articles that are a statistically insignificant minority to the beliefs of actual Muslims mean nothing. 99.9% of Muslims, and educated Islamic scholars who Muslims refer to for knowledge, have mandated the hijab as compulsory.

And you pull up a couple politically motivated articles and insignificant websites thinking you have disproved decades of educated Islamic scholars' rulings.

Lol.

You are making yourself look like a fool here, honestly, either make some logically coherent arguments or just stop replying.

By the way, one of your own links seems to be disproving your own argument.

"Short Answer:

Is Hijab, recommended or mandatory?
All qualified Muslim scholars throughout Islamic history agree on the obligation of hijab and that it is not a religious symbol to differentiate between Muslim and non-Muslim women, rather it’s a dress code ordained for Muslim women.
The command in the verse is considered as an obligation, not a recommendation."

@Adonis

Your figures (99.9% etc) are from where?...... Now which verse?, where it said Hijab?..... Quoting a so called scholar is not authentic enough as what is written in holy Quraan.....as I said interpretation...

And dress code are there for men also.....but we are ok ignore it, while making hue and cry about women only...anyways it's a separate topic of discussion.

What a person wears should not be a question of religious requirement or practice but a question of civil liberties and democratic rights and choices.
It is a personal choice if someone wishes to cover their head or hair, much the same as anyone that doesn't wish to do so.
As far as uniform or dress code goes, uniform or dress codes should always take into consideration the religious and cultural sensibilities of all sectors of the population, and they do in most sensible and reasonable societies, and not try to impose the wishes and preferences of the majority onto the minority.
It is a fundamental right of anyone to wear whatever they feel comfortable wearing as long as their mode of dress is culturally appropriate and acceptable.
No one can argue that covering ones head is culturally unacceptable, offensive or something unfamiliar to any religion or community in India.

Civil code is dictate by the constitution not religion.....to accommodate everyone's wish is not possible anywhere....hence civil code

 

[satyamev]

What did I say wrong?

my point is that you were arguing its compulsory under Islam for women to wear the hijab. But then you said they have the freedom to choose. Its like saying its compulsory to wear seat belts while driving but they have the freedom to choose.
Either women have to wear the hijab or they don't ? if it's not compulsory and a choice , then the non purdah women dont become non Muslim by not wearing. I am sure they still consider themselves muslims.
My earlier point was if the little girls were not wearing till a year back, then it's a recent trend and the school authorities have the right to question it.
Now it's with the courts and it will probably rule in favor of some sort of hijab for the kids.

 

[TheSolution]

my point is that you were arguing its compulsory under Islam for women to wear the hijab. But then you said they have the freedom to choice. Its like saying its compulsory to wear seat belts while driving but they have the freedom to choose.
Either women have to wear the hijab or they don't ? if it's not compulsory and a choice , then the non purdah women dont become non Muslim by not wearing. I am sure they still consider themselves muslims.
My earlier point was if the little girls were not wearing till a year back, then it's a recent trend and the school authorities have the right to question it.
Now it's with the courts and it will probably rule in favor of some sort of hijab for the kids.

Stop quoting a message that was not meant for you!

I clearly responded to your message in full, which you ignored clearly due to having no reply.

Keep this BS you wrote to yourself and go reply to my actual response.

 

[Bossman]

What did I say wrong?

Go back and read your posts

 

[TheSolution]

Your figures (99.9% etc) are from where?...... Now which verse?, where it said Hijab?..... Quoting a so called scholar is not authentic enough as what is written in holy Quraan.....as I said interpretation...

It's not an actual figure, the point is that the people who believe that the hijab isn't compulsory, are a statistically insignificant minority.

Your own link stated this.

Secondly, quoting a scholar certainly is authentic enough, they have credentials to talk on the matters of Islam after studying Islamic scripture for many years. Better than the "5 point" random article you posted.

If you understand interpretation, then you would understand the vast majority of interpretations consider it compulsory.

And dress code are there for men also.....but we are ok ignore it, while making hue and cry about women only...anyways it's a separate topic of discussion.

This is called whataboutism, not going to respond to something irrelevant.

Go back and read your posts

Can you point to something specific? Because I didn't comment or speak for all religions?

I believe we may have a misunderstanding. My only point here has been that the hijab is considered compulsory in Islam.

 

[satyamev]

Stop quoting a message that was not meant for you!

I clearly responded to your message in full, which you ignored clearly due to having no reply.

Keep this BS you wrote to yourself and go reply to my actual response.

can't reply to your confused comment.
You even questioned that many Muslim women in Pakistan don't wear the hijab, when its obvious from so many videos that it's not a compulsion and they have a choice. Doesn't make them lesser muslims.
I will give a example what happens when religion becomes over important. In India millions of girls and women drive scooters and bikes. In the north like delhi helmets were made compulsory in the 80s but the sikhs objected that their women cannot wear helmets. Since their is no way to distinguish a sikh woman from another non sikh on a bike, the government had to dilute the helmet rule for all women in delhi. At some point commonsense has to prevail.

 

[Maula Jatt]

A lot of travel videos of Pakistan show women roaming around without any hijab or even their head covered ? Is it frowned upon ? are they mostly expats ?
If hijab is compulsory under Islamic why is the Islamic republic not enforcing it ?
If its voluntary then it's not compulsory .

Plenty of people drink booze too, there are booze shops and its not enforced even though religion is clear on what's expected
So what a particular country does or does not do /= the religion itself
And plenty of Sikhs don't wear the turban but nations around the globe not just india accommodate them

 

[TheSolution]

can't reply to your confused comment.
You even questioned that many Muslim women in Pakistan don't wear the hijab, when its obvious from so many videos that it's not a compulsion and they have a choice. Doesn't make them lesser muslims.

It's not difficult to understand.

It is a compulsion under religion, not by the state.

Freedom of choice is granted by the state, we are not a dictatorship that demands every one of our citizens to follow every compulsory Islamic ruling.

In Islam it is compulsory to wear the hijab. If a woman chooses not to wear this, the state cannot force her to do so, neither does it change the Islamic ruling.

If she chooses to object to this rule, she did that using her own personal freedom granted by the state, but that does not mean Islam allows that choice. She has gone against compulsory Islamic ruling. We don't judge.