Muslim family expelled from Empire State building for praying get payout

[gambit]

I agree those who want to pray should look for clean and quiet place to concentrate well . what do you think about public display of nudity and drinking at public places ? It don't gather unnecessary attention of crowds and give this impression as in 'I am modern than thou' and very little about genuine modernity. A guy praying at one corner of garden or street will not bring as much trouble as a guy who is drunk but still he has freedom

Ultimately, the devout religionist performing an act of piety to his god is far less disruptive and dangerous than public nudity and drunkenness. We associate nudity with sex and everyone wants sex, correct ? We associate alcohol intoxication with festivities and everyone want to be happy, correct ? But not many want to pray.

But the issue is not about making comparisons of the levels of 'offensiveness' between acts but whether public displays of religiosity is necessary. Do you NEED to pray in public, in other words, does your god demand your acts of devotion to be noticeable by the local people ? Does Christianity require Christians to wear symbols of Christianity ? Believe it or not -- no. Christians displays symbols such as carrying the Bible or wearing the cross by choice, not from godly commandments.

When you are in a public area, temporarily you are allowed a great deal of autonomy over a piece of that public area that you physically occupy. You can sit, stand, dance, lie down, or even pray to your god. But just as the alcoholic have the freedom to get inebriated in private or in public, you have equal freedom to perform your religious devotions in private or public. Does the alcoholic NEED to get drunk in public ? If he says 'Yes', then naturally we would feel the man is short a few brain cells. So what do you think people who do not share your religion thinks of you if you say that you NEED to pray in public when there are no godly expectations to do so ?

 

[Djinn]

Some people like to offer prayers on time and those who offer them 5 times a day regularly do prefer to offer no matter where ever they are and it doesn't mean they are putting up a facade. In KSA, whenever it's a prayers time, people offer them on road sides quite commonly.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Ultimately, the devout religionist performing an act of piety to his god is far less disruptive and dangerous than public nudity and drunkenness. We associate nudity with sex and everyone wants sex, correct ? We associate alcohol intoxication with festivities and everyone want to be happy, correct ? But not many want to pray.

But the issue is not about making comparisons of the levels of 'offensiveness' between acts but whether public displays of religiosity is necessary. Do you NEED to pray in public, in other words, does your god demand your acts of devotion to be noticeable by the local people ? Does Christianity require Christians to wear symbols of Christianity ? Believe it or not -- no. Christians displays symbols such as carrying the Bible or wearing the cross by choice, not from godly commandments.

When you are in a public area, temporarily you are allowed a great deal of autonomy over a piece of that public area that you physically occupy. You can sit, stand, dance, lie down, or even pray to your god. But just as the alcoholic have the freedom to get inebriated in private or in public, you have equal freedom to perform your religious devotions in private or public. Does the alcoholic NEED to get drunk in public ? If he says 'Yes', then naturally we would feel the man is short a few brain cells. So what do you think people who do not share your religion thinks of you if you say that you NEED to pray in public when there are no godly expectations to do so ?

First of all its our assumptions that people are praying in public places only because they want to show us that they are more pious than us. They might be praying to please God without caring about their surroundings.

I can also assume that some girls are flashing boobs in public for me but it will be far from reality or i can say that couple should not kiss each others in public places as bedroom is best suitable place for it but can i impose my own theory on them? No, i cannot. All i can do is to close my eyes and dont look at them. People should be free to do whatever they like as long as they dont impose that thing on us and keep it to themselves without distrubing others. A guy praying at his personal space will not hurt anyone so he should be free and you are also free to not look at them if it irritate you but you boht should not live according to expectation of others

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I bet this is the only time they ever prayed and the reason they prayed on the deck of the building was to provoke an attack so they could file a lawsuit..

The best people I have yet met are religionists, but the worst people I have yet met are also religionists. Not the same people, but of the same type. Islam and Muslims maybe prominent in current times, but that is because of circumstances. I have no problems with outward displays of one's religious beliefs, such as symbols, but I do have a problem with when one's religious ACTIONS begins to manifest and often interfere with the public's daily activities, regardless of specific religion.

what do you say about yoga in parks? It is a Hindu religious thing adopted by many people. Infact Muslim pray is like yoga, you stand up bend and bow...

 

[gambit]

First of all its our assumptions that people are praying in public places only because they want to show us that they are more pious than us. They might be praying to please God without caring about their surroundings.

You want to please your god ? That is fine. But the question is does your god require public displays of devotion ? If you are a policeman at the scene of a traffic accident, the immediate public needs outweighs your own private need to please your god. But if you are shopping or playing tourist why not make time for religious devotions in private ? Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, it is a childish need that pretty much said 'I am holier than thou'.

I can also assume that some girls are flashing boobs in public for me but it will be far from reality or i can say that couple should not kiss each others in public places as bedroom is best suitable place for it but can i impose my own theory on them? No, i cannot. All i can do is to close my eyes and dont look at them. People should be free to do whatever they like as long as they dont impose that thing on us and keep it to themselves without distrubing others. A guy praying at his personal space will not hurt anyone so he should be free and you are also free to not look at them if it irritate you but you boht should not live according to expectation of others

When I was active duty, the US military frowns upon 'public displays of affection' (PDA). A hug or a light kiss to a family member are acceptable, but if two spouses are in uniform, as many military members are wedded to each other, then even a light kiss can bring on a reprimand from a hardass superior. PDAs are not required, do they ? The point here is that some actions that have significant values, such as praying or crying or hugging, can provoke unfriendly reactions from others in public areas. Yes, you can PDA or pray as much as you want, but do not expect praise as a given.

what do you say about yoga in parks? It is a Hindu religious thing adopted by many people. Infact Muslim pray is like yoga, you stand up bend and bow...

A park is different. It is a designated area of recreation, usually of the physical kind. An act of religious devotion in a park will bring less attention than one in a subway or in a restaurant. You can toss a ball in a park, but not in a restaurant.

 

[Psychic]

Observation deck is not for praying purposes.

Pray in mosques or in your homes.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

You want to please your god ? That is fine. But the question is does your god require public displays of devotion ? If you are a policeman at the scene of a traffic accident, the immediate public needs outweighs your own private need to please your god. But if you are shopping or playing tourist why not make time for religious devotions in private ? Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, it is a childish need that pretty much said 'I am holier than thou'.
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God require 5 obligatory prayers from Muslims irespective of where they are or what they are doing but they are required to find 5/10 minute from busy life to bow infront of God at some tidy place facing toward qibla as thats the only requirement. Rest those who pray should find appropriate place without distrubing the public whether its at garden or road or any other places. I am not specfic to this Muslim family under discussion but general rule. Its always prefer to offer prayers in mosque. If you cannot find any mosque nearby then offer it in your private room/office at some quiet tidy place. If you dont have any of these then find some others appropriate places whther in garden,city centre or wherever you are at the time of prayers

 

[gambit]

Observation deck is not for praying purposes.

Pray in mosques or in your homes.

We know, or more precisely feel, that certain acts are tolerable in some places and times, acceptable in some places and times, and finally praiseworthy in some places and times. We may tolerate public displays of affection or religious devotions at the observation deck of the Empire State Building, but we tolerate such out of kindness or at least basic human decency, not necessarily because we find it sensible.

Modern Christians are not like medieval Christians. Modern Christians do not view marital affection and sex as something dirty. But that does not mean bodily groping between husband and wife are acceptable as they walk up to receive communion, or that churches have rooms set aside for horny couples whenever they are in the mood for sex.

I have been in a few mosques in my life and have never seen such rooms. Have you ?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Yoga is not a religion----it is a form of meditation with physical posturing. An individual or a group of people can perform it in a park and that is fie---. Unlike a prayer-----that needs a clean place to worship---yoga does not require that.

If all these muslims were so focused in their religious beliefs and so truthful and forthright in performing the basic fundamentals of islam with such fervor and zeal---then what is wrong with the failures in the rest of their lives----.

In their personal lives, in the lives of their communities, in the lives of their nations----why are they such a massive failure----. If there is so much truth in their devotion that they cannot hold back to say their prayers---but rather pray in a place where there may be dog faeces---human faeces---and other excretions and all kinds of filth---then where to you see the determination of their character in their daily lives and practices---BECAUSE IT IS ALL FRAUD AND SHOW.

See---the thing is----if there is so much total conviction to do something---if there is so much determination to perform that act---then by default such a performer of faith must have the characteristics of an ideal muslim person.

If there is so much truth in the prayers of these Saudis----then why we all curse those miserable bastards of their perversity all the time.

 

[monitor]

but whether public displays of religiosity is necessary. Do you NEED to pray in public, in other words, does your god demand your acts of devotion to be noticeable by the local people ? Does Christianity require Christians to wear symbols of Christianity ? Believe it or not -- no. Christians displays symbols such as carrying the Bible or wearing the cross by choice, not from godly commandments.

it is not necessary to pray in public but is their any problem if someone offer his prayer in public due to religious reason not to showcase devotion ?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

I hate it when people take time off from work and go to do prayers.

Its take 5 or 10 minute to offer prayers. I used to do that during my lunch breaks and never had any problem to manage it with work or study. They used to give me one quiet room even though i did not asked for it

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

During lunch is fine. That's your time. But at 11am suddenly you will see a line of people on the ablution room and in the multi faith room, when others are busy. Why do they even build these at work.

Same thing at about 4. And all the Muslims who do this have their trousers stitched above ankle or have the unkempt beard or both.

There is no prayer at 11 am

 

[Djinn]

Offering NAMAZ is an obligation and not the ticket to riches. I offer my prayers regularly, but when in public, i offer at specified area's only. There is a possibility that the couple was Arabic, since they are accustomed to offering prayers, wherever they deem apt. However the couple in question isn't entirely at fault here, the authorities at the building should have adopted an amicable approach rather then just throwing them out of the building and i am inclined to believe that they had to pay for the mistreatment that was meted out to the couple.

 

[I.R.A]

There is after all a reason for concession (qasar) given by Allah.

If I am not mistaken Qasar is not an option when you are not travelling and you are near your home place. And Qasar does not relax the timing of the prayer but the duration (Rikats) of the prayer.

And for people who say their prayers in planes and trains in aisles genius people , well I don't know why they do it but if the circumstances are such, I can offer my prayers while seated I don't see how that is not possible? And in trains the berths can be used. And after looking at pics of deck provided by Jungibaaz, I would say that couple could have shortened their trip and said their prayers in some appropriate place.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Then why do they keep streaming in and our at around that time?

I dont know. May be they like more breaks and no work lol

First prayer is before sun rise and second prayers you can offer between 1 to 2.30 PM
. Third short prayer is during afternoon when its tea break.. Fourth is in the evening and last one you can pray anytime before going to bed

So normally its one or two prayers during work or study and rest you can pray at home