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10 Terrorists, manage to capture 600+rooms taj and almost same size hotel oberoi at the same time, and manage to retain it for 72 hours with heavy fire all around, against World's 3rd largest Army.

This is great really, whoever they're , salute to them, Indian Army should learn from them atleast how to fight with your enemy :chilli:

It looks too funny to hear these facts.For sure after this incident Indians special forces have earned a big name by killing 9 men who captured 600+rooms...
 

NEW DELHI – In the days after the deadly Mumbai attacks, India demanded that Pakistan crack down on militants, shutter charities linked to extremists and jail suspected plotters.

With a flurry of raids, Pakistan took many of those steps this week. Now it's up to India to do what it likes least: share intelligence with its archrival about what it knows and how it knows it.

Keeping the alleged plotters in jail will require unprecedented investigative cooperation across a border mined with distrust and suspicion, and the onus has shifted to India.

Pakistani authorities say they will prosecute in their own courts anyone linked to the three-day siege in Mumbai that left 164 dead — they just need the proof.

"Our own investigations cannot proceed beyond a certain point without provision of credible information and evidence," said Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

But Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said it was too early to share any of what investigators say is ironclad evidence tying the attacks to Pakistani soil. According to India, the 10 gunmen were from Pakistan, as were the handlers, masterminds, weapons, training camps and financing.

"Whatever evidence we have, we can make available," Mukherjee told Indian news channel CNN-IBN in an interview to be broadcast Sunday. "We are also investigating. We have not come to any conclusion. Therefore, at this juncture, perhaps it would be premature to share the evidence."

It remains uncertain how much evidence, if any, India will actually provide.

India finds itself in the awkward position of having to investigate terrorist attacks hand-in-hand with its longtime nemesis. The two countries have fought three wars against each other since independence. Despite a peace process that began in 2004, tensions remain high.

"India grits its teeth and says 'They don't have to like us, we don't have to like them but ... we have to go through the process,'" said C. Uday Bhaskar, a prominent defense analyst in New Delhi.

Their tense relations were evident Saturday as Islamabad said Indian aircraft violated Pakistani airspace — crossing into Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and over the eastern city of Lahore — before being chased back over the border.

India's air force has told Islamabad the incursion was "inadvertent," Pakistan Information Minister Sherry Rehman said. Indian officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Much of India's information comes from Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the lone captured gunman. Through repeated interrogations, he has said he was trained by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned Pakistan-based militant group, and revealed key details such as names of fellow plotters and locations of camps.

Islamabad has refused to even acknowledge Kasab is Pakistani, complaining it has had to rely on news reports for information.

Most recently, a Pakistani newspaper, Dawn, tracked down Kasab's family in the village of Faridkot — his hometown according to Indian investigators — and said the suspect's father had identified his son from photographs of the gunmen.

Pakistan has taken action in recent days, closing 65 offices of a charity linked to militants, putting the charity's prominent founder under house arrest and arresting senior Lashkar leaders, including the attacks' suspected mastermind.

But Mukherjee said India was still not satisfied, and he wanted Pakistan to ensure banned groups don't "reappear in their new name with the new signboards but with the same old faces."

Pakistan outlawed Lashkar in 2002 under pressure from the United States, but many say the group resurfaced under the umbrella of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a charity group the United Nations this week labeled a terrorist outfit. Pakistan began shutting the group's offices late Thursday and ordered its assets frozen.

India has traced previous terrorist attacks back to Pakistan, but animosity and distrust at the time ruined any hopes for cooperation.

After the 1993 Mumbai blasts that killed 257, India provided evidence of Pakistani complicity — which Islamabad rejected as "fabricated," said Bhaskar.

"Pakistan has never accepted culpability of its own people or handed over anyone," he said.

This time may be different.

For starters, evidence collected by India from Kasab, as well as recovered phones and forensic evidence, may be too strong to dismiss, analysts say.

The siege also stands out because 26 foreigners were killed, which has brought investigative help from other countries and international pressure that makes it harder for Islamabad to avoid taking real action.

But India's probe also includes intelligence apparently gleaned through top-secret eavesdropping against Pakistan, which authorities will be loath to share.

In September, India's foreign intelligence agency intercepted telephone conversations apparently coming out of Pakistan that discussed possible attacks against Mumbai hotels, according to a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive matter.

India will almost certainly not disclose details of its espionage work to Pakistan, the program's main target.

While Indian investigators have raised possible links between the militants and Pakistan's spy service, Mukherjee has been very careful not to accuse Pakistan's government of complicity in the siege.

"That is why, repeatedly, I said 'elements from Pakistan'" were responsible for the attacks, he said. "That is a phrase I have used meticulously. I would not like to be more specific unless definitive conclusion is arrived at by the investigating agencies."
 
Secondly, one of the attackers captured by the Indian security forces was found carrying a GPRS mobile through which he made a call to an individual in Karachi. Nothing could be more preposterous and far from reality than this incredulous claim, because even the most naïve of terrorists knows that once he goes into an attack inside enemy territory there is no coming back.

He either achieves his mission or he dies in the attempt or worse still fall into enemy hands. Would he then be so stupid as to leave behind an obvious clue as to his place of origin? Any commando would tell you that once they go for a mission they sever all ties and leave no telltale signs as to who they are and where they come from. So what was the point of making contact with base?

No no, dear sir, you see the Hindi speaking, Kalava wearing terrorist was trained in a terrorist training camp, fattened up into a gargantuan lard *** trained to eat food and comb his hair everyday, that totally changed his physique from a thin poor dahi wallah merchant's son, into a big fat lump of wobbling jelly. They did not teach him about satellite phone usage, and he just decided to handily leave a clue in the form of a fotuitous call to Karachi, and then leave the very same phone handily on the trawler for investigators, complete with a list of LeT contacts :rofl:
 
10 Terrorists, manage to capture 600+rooms taj and almost same size hotel oberoi at the same time, and manage to retain it for 72 hours with heavy fire all around, against World's 3rd largest Army.

This is great really, whoever they're , salute to them, Indian Army should learn from them atleast how to fight with your enemy :chilli:

What do you know about such operations?:frown:
They could have brought down the hotel complex in minutes. The objective was to save any people and avoid more loss to the building.
 
The objective was to save any people and avoid more loss to the building.

The objective was to implicate Pakistan by allowing for as much destruction as possible also with the targeting of specific foreigners while delaying and fumbling any sort of quick rescue effort. Getting rid of troublesome police officials who were hot on the trail of of Hindu terror cells was also a major objective. Another objective was to leave an evidence trail longer than the Great Wall of China...If these terrorists were the crack hardcore operatives that India says they were (probably referring to RAW), why would they be leaving behind implicating material such as phones, identification cards, fingerprints, etc? How can one be a complete jackass yet fend off Indian special forces for half a week without much food or material?

I have seen the name of this supposed group change about 2 dozen times now, starting with Daccan Mujahideen all the way down to ISI and JuD. This is a typical Indian scam, and I know what an Indian scam looks like from much experience.
 
Dont trust their toilet and caste related news as well.

We all fully agree .. in Indian toilet, caste, rape & molestation cases the press is not neutral .. they like in the case of Pakistan are never neutral in writing the truth !
 
The Associated Press: India pressed to share Mumbai evidence with rival

By SAM DOLNICK – 9 hours ago
NEW DELHI (AP) — In the days after the deadly Mumbai attacks, India demanded that Pakistan crack down on militants, shutter charities linked to extremists and jail suspected plotters.
With a flurry of raids, Pakistan took many of those steps this week. Now it's up to India to do what it likes least: share intelligence with its archrival about what it knows and how it knows it.
Keeping the alleged plotters in jail will require unprecedented investigative cooperation across a border mined with distrust and suspicion, and the onus has shifted to India.
Pakistani authorities say they will prosecute in their own courts anyone linked to the three-day siege in Mumbai that left 164 dead — they just need the proof.
"Our own investigations cannot proceed beyond a certain point without provision of credible information and evidence," said Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.
But Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said it was too early to share any of what investigators say is ironclad evidence tying the attacks to Pakistani soil. According to India, the 10 gunmen were from Pakistan, as were the handlers, masterminds, weapons, training camps and financing.
"Whatever evidence we have, we can make available," Mukherjee told Indian news channel CNN-IBN in an interview to be broadcast Sunday. "We are also investigating. We have not come to any conclusion. Therefore, at this juncture, perhaps it would be premature to share the evidence."
It remains uncertain how much evidence, if any, India will actually provide.
India finds itself in the awkward position of having to investigate terrorist attacks hand-in-hand with its longtime nemesis. The two countries have fought three wars against each other since independence. Despite a peace process that began in 2004, tensions remain high.
"India grits its teeth and says 'They don't have to like us, we don't have to like them but ... we have to go through the process,'" said C. Uday Bhaskar, a prominent defense analyst in New Delhi.
Their tense relations were evident Saturday as Islamabad said Indian aircraft violated Pakistani airspace — crossing into Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and over the eastern city of Lahore — before being chased back over the border.
India's air force has told Islamabad the incursion was "inadvertent," Pakistan Information Minister Sherry Rehman said. Indian air force spokesman Mahesh Upasani later denied there had been any violation of Pakistani airspace.
Much of India's information about the Mumbai attack comes from Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the lone captured gunman. Through repeated interrogations, he has said he was trained by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned Pakistan-based militant group, and revealed key details such as names of fellow plotters and locations of camps.
Islamabad has refused to even acknowledge Kasab is Pakistani, complaining it has had to rely on news reports for information.
Most recently, a Pakistani newspaper, Dawn, tracked down Kasab's family in the village of Faridkot — his hometown according to Indian investigators — and said the suspect's father had identified his son from photographs of the gunmen.
Pakistan has taken action in recent days, closing 65 offices of a charity linked to militants, putting the charity's prominent founder under house arrest and arresting senior Lashkar leaders, including the attacks' suspected mastermind.
But Mukherjee said India was still not satisfied, and he wanted Pakistan to ensure banned groups don't "reappear in their new name with the new signboards but with the same old faces."
Pakistan outlawed Lashkar in 2002 under pressure from the United States, but many say the group resurfaced under the umbrella of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a charity group the United Nations this week labeled a terrorist outfit. Pakistan began shutting the group's offices late Thursday and ordered its assets frozen.
India has traced previous terrorist attacks back to Pakistan, but animosity and distrust at the time ruined any hopes for cooperation.
After the 1993 Mumbai blasts that killed 257, India provided evidence of Pakistani complicity — which Islamabad rejected as "fabricated," said Bhaskar.
"Pakistan has never accepted culpability of its own people or handed over anyone," he said.
This time may be different.
For starters, evidence collected by India from Kasab, as well as recovered phones and forensic evidence, may be too strong to dismiss, analysts say.
The siege also stands out because 26 foreigners were killed, which has brought investigative help from other countries and international pressure that makes it harder for Islamabad to avoid taking real action.
But India's probe also includes intelligence apparently gleaned through top-secret eavesdropping against Pakistan, which authorities will be loath to share.
In September, India's foreign intelligence agency intercepted telephone conversations apparently coming out of Pakistan that discussed possible attacks against Mumbai hotels, according to a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive matter.
India will almost certainly not disclose details of its espionage work to Pakistan, the program's main target.
While Indian investigators have raised possible links between the militants and Pakistan's spy service, Mukherjee has been very careful not to accuse Pakistan's government of complicity in the siege.
"That is why, repeatedly, I said 'elements from Pakistan'" were responsible for the attacks, he said. "That is a phrase I have used meticulously. I would not like to be more specific unless definitive conclusion is arrived at by the investigating agencies."
 
What do you know about such operations?:frown:
They could have brought down the hotel complex in minutes. The objective was to save any people and avoid more loss to the building.

600+room hotel, and a five star, for me it should have more then 300 entry/exit points from where they can attack those terrorists, and they were 10, in comparison with Indian forces who were in numbers.

Don't live in fools paradise budds.
 
Do you work in a 5 star Hotel ?

There can never be 300/exit or entry points ,Usually their is one /two entry/exit point for visitors and One/ two entry /exit for back area(for staff) and yes ,First job was to evacuate the people who were trapped inside the hotel .

And at one or two entry and exit points or doors, the gunmen with heavy bags full of explosive and weapons were not checked at all?
 
Do you work in a 5 star Hotel ?

There can never be 300/exit or entry points ,Usually their is one /two entry/exit point for visitors and One/ two entry /exit for back area(for staff) and yes ,First job was to evacuate the people who were trapped inside the hotel .

lol.

Can i ask why an average boeing plane has 6 exits ?

Man ......as per international Standard of Hotel industry, for every 50 individuals, one exit point is necessary, and in Taj's case, where covered area is more then the height, atleast 5 exits per floor.

and i know Taj has 6 gates from which two are in front.....
 
And at one or two entry and exit points or doors, the gunmen with heavy bags full of explosive and weapons were not checked at all?

AK-47
Satellite Sets
Hand grenades
Rae Explosives
Pistols
Communication Devices

All these things were cleared by Security, is'nt strange ???
 
they entered from the staff entry (Said by Ratan Tata in his interview or something ).Usually or what I have seen in Delhi, where I did my training ,there is no checking of employees.




I just asked you think that your are from hotel industry .

I said that from what I have seen in 5 star hotels of Delhi .

This is bulshit.....even a small cottage has substantial security measures if some forieign delegates are due to stay there (NON-Political figures and common people)
 
they entered from the back are(Said by Ratan Tata in his interview or something ).Usually or what I have seen in Delhi, where I did my training ,there is no checking of employees.

All were not employees. Those who were employees must be Indians because it is not possible that non-Indians specialy Pakistanis were given employment at the top hotel in India which is famouse among foreigners. Its clearly inside job.

At all big hotels with international reputation there is checking system and in most cases CCTVs are installed. Taj is one such hotel where all these measures should have been there. Its not possible for someone to enter from back in such building without being noticed.
 
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