Muhammad Bin Qasim

[Torch_v2.0]

your post i guess!!
if you are not against it, it looks like you are not in favor of teaching kids history of wars,conquests,defeats,sacrifices!

in this age of information and television and internet our kids are exposed to some of the weirdest bs produced in history of humanity and they are turning into weird creatures most of the kids going to those elite schools have zero idea about ideology of Pakistan or ideology of Islam and we are becoming what soft! this extreme exposure to poetry and music is turning us into cowards!!!! i am not saying teach them wars and turn them into barbaric hordes no ma'am teach them realities of life as Muslims we have been foretold many things by Prophets (SAW) and are we preparing ourselves and our kids for those harsh times!!! are they learning how to deal with coming realities.

education of Past will teach them how to deal with future!!!

@dsr478 Brother his(@newb3e ) thoughts are similar to us , isn't it ?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What non sense.

Pakistan foundations were laid when the first settlement of Indus civilization came into being.

 

[Torch_v2.0]

What non sense.

The first brick in the foundation of Pakistan was laid in 712 A.D. when Mohammad Bin Qasim anchored at Debal Port (now known as Karachi), freed the Muslim women and children from the prisons of Raja Dahir and constructed the first mosque at the town.
Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan, acclaimed the event- "the Pakistan Movement started when the first Muslim put his foot on the soil of Sindh, the Gateway of Islam in India."

So you don't believe your Quaid-e-Azam ??

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The first brick in the foundation of Pakistan was laid in 712 A.D. when Mohammad Bin Qasim anchored at Debal Port (now known as Karachi), freed the Muslim women and children from the prisons of Raja Dahir and constructed the first mosque at the town.
Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan, acclaimed the event- "the Pakistan Movement started when the first Muslim put his foot on the soil of Sindh, the Gateway of Islam in India."

So you don't believe your Quaid-e-Azam ??

This concept is wrong. Pakistani race, is the most ancient of all. We build the first human civilization. We are much bigger then the concept of nationhood, we are a civilization.

And with regards to the first Muslim, that in itself is not factually correct. 30-40% of Pakistani population consist of Pakhtoons, and according to their own history , they became Muslim when their leader Qais Abdur Rasheed took biyah on Prophet (PBUH), ofcourse long before Mohammad bin Qasim was even born.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Let get one thing stright when Mohammad Bin Qasim , landed in shore of Lands

1- There was no political statement that he must create Pakistan so he landed
2- There was no mandate to issue Pakistani passport
3- People of his domain were not called Pakistani , but perhaps citizens of Ummayd Dynasty

So the man came , won the battles bravely and deserves credit around Year 700's

But in end , No Pakistan was created by him or his King

Fast forward 1857, after many Kings and Governors passed , a new Political movement commenced which was based around establishing an educated mandate to grow awareness in people to focus on education and not be a
nominal member of society. And this is attributed to Sir Syed and later a political party was created
All Muslims League , the party itself seized to exist after Independence. It is important to know that
"All India Muslim League" is not Nawaz Sharif's party he created a similar sounding party


So in end , the political movement that commenced from 1857 ~ 1947 resulted in formation of Pakistan


While some credit may be due for Mohammad Bin Qasim , but when when we talk about History , Pakistan must teach the kids full scope of our history


Clearly every one is visibly educated and not holding sword or riding horse

It is correct to say , at a Religious level our religion is same as Mohammad Bin Qasim but
really our identity is connected to Islam and the hard work of educated people who politically were smart to deand a independence at right time.

 

[Jaanbaz]

How can Arab invader be a Pakistani?

 

[Big Tank]

It's better to teach some colorful nd light things rather than the violent nd bloody wars .
Kids should learn the light things , at such age teaching about worriors, islamic wars isn't healthy ... better get them admit into madrassas for that .

Even if we teach them about Islamic Conquests. We should teach them how Islam transformed people's lives. We should mention about Sufis etc.

 

[Hamza913]

Nice to see you changed your DP to someone from the Pakistan movement who had a beard, but from the looks of it he has a mustache too which according to you are un-islamic so back to the drawing board for you I guess.

Are you retarded? Moustaches are unanimously considered halal, it only becomes haram when it gets too big and you can twirl it (basically handlebars).

So you mean sindh and southern punjab is all what Pakistan is all about?

No, how did you reach that conclusion?

He was an Arab, my friend . Even a one class student can tell u this .

And that's relevant because?

Why do you see things through the cancerous lens of race, it's atrocious and often promotes very nasty ideals. We are all Bani Adam (Peace Be Upon Him), and Muslims before anything else.

Anyway your point is still null and void even by that perspective as many Pakistanis are descended from Arabs who came to the region during Islamic conquests, and many locals worked in Qasim's army and administration.

What exactly is the issue here?

Asalamu Alaikum

Some people disagree with the title of first Pakistani purely because they see things through the lens of race, which is a concept completely antithetical to Islamic values.

Others disagree for more mature reasons, saying that they don't think Qasim was very important.

Is the studying course same in Romania? Do the children know about the Christian worriors ?

I'm pretty sure they do, e.g Vlad the impaler.

And with regards to the first Muslim, that in itself is not factually correct. 30-40% of Pakistani population consist of Pakhtoons, and according to their own history , they became Muslim when their leader Qais Abdur Rasheed took biyah on Prophet (PBUH), ofcourse long before Mohammad bin Qasim was even born.

Asalamu Alaikum

That story is a lie and you know it.

Wrong..MbQ came as a invader...it is extremely shameful to glorify him..

Cry me a river.

How can Arab invader be a Pakistani?

Very immature view, we are a multi-ethnic society.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Asalamu Alaikum

That story is a lie and you know it.

You telling me Pakhtoons are lieing about their own accounts and their own history?

 

[Hamza913]

You telling me Pakhtoons are lieing about their own accounts and their own history?

Pretty much.

If this were true, why is he not mentioned in any sahih ahadith? Why are Pakhtuns never mentioned in sahih ahadith either?

 

[Well.wisher]

your post i guess!!
if you are not against it, it looks like you are not in favor of teaching kids history of wars,conquests,defeats,sacrifices!

in this age of information and television and internet our kids are exposed to some of the weirdest bs produced in history of humanity and they are turning into weird creatures most of the kids going to those elite schools have zero idea about ideology of Pakistan or ideology of Islam and we are becoming what soft! this extreme exposure to poetry and music is turning us into cowards!!!! i am not saying teach them wars and turn them into barbaric hordes no ma'am teach them realities of life as Muslims we have been foretold many things by Prophets (SAW) and are we preparing ourselves and our kids for those harsh times!!! are they learning how to deal with coming realities.

education of Past will teach them how to deal with future!!!

I , on the other hand belive in independency of mind .
Teach the kids whatever u want in their considerable ages , they should learn everything but at a specific age . I donot Care if they learn history of worriors to the history of serial killers ... but their independency of mind should not be hijacked .
Your last paragraph about pakistani ideology and that , that ... is again like ordering the children to do nd learn what and how you want them to .

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Are you retarded? Moustaches are unanimously considered halal, it only becomes haram when it gets too big and you can twirl it (basically handlebars).



No, how did you reach that conclusion?



And that's relevant because?

Why do you see things through the cancerous lens of race, it's atrocious and often promotes very nasty ideals. We are all Bani Adam (Peace Be Upon Him), and Muslims before anything else.

Anyway your point is still null and void even by that perspective as many Pakistanis are descended from Arabs who came to the region during Islamic conquests, and many locals worked in Qasim's army and administration.



Asalamu Alaikum

Some people disagree with the title of first Pakistani purely because they see things through the lens of race, which is a concept completely antithetical to Islamic values.

Others disagree for more mature reasons, saying that they don't think Qasim was very important.



I'm pretty sure they do, e.g Vlad the impaler.



Asalamu Alaikum

That story is a lie and you know it.



Cry me a river.



Very immature view, we are a multi-ethnic society.

You are being thrown curveballs here and there because the stance you and a lot of Pakistanis have taken is extremely disgraceful. You are glorifying invaders and the murderers of your ancestors. You and I have more in common with the men MBQ fought than MBQ himself. 70 years down the line we are still ridiculed for having an identitiy crisis because we identity more with invaders than the people who fought to defend this land. All religions and empires have been spread by the sword and as time has witnessed they come and go but what never changes is our identity as the people of this land.

 

[Well.wisher]

And that's relevant because?

Why do you see things through the cancerous lens of race, it's atrocious and often promotes very nasty ideals. We are all Bani Adam (Peace Be Upon Him), and Muslims before anything else.

Anyway your point is still null and void even by that perspective as many Pakistanis are descended from Arabs who came to the region during Islamic conquests, and many locals worked in Qasim's army and administration.

Brrrrr. .
Then you should have called him .. one of ibn adam came to pakistan ... why u called him pakistani then.

 

[Hamza913]

You are being thrown curveballs here and there because the stance you and a lot of Pakistanis have taken is extremely disgraceful. You are glorifying invaders and the murderers of your ancestors. You and I have more in common with the men MBQ fought than MBQ himself. 70 years down the line we are still ridiculed for having an identitiy crisis because we identity more with invaders than the people who fought to defend this land. All religions and empires have been spread by the sword and as time has witnessed they come and go but what never changes is our identity as the people of this land.

Did you even read my posts?

Muhammad Bin Qasim had many locals fight under him, he did not discriminate. I'll also say this again, many Pakistanis are descended from Arabs who migrated to the region during the Islamic conquests.

Anyway, if my ancestors acted against Islam, I would have finished them myself if I could. Ideology trumps all, including ethnicity.

why u called him pakistani then.

This is getting tedious.

Go read my previous posts.

 

[newb3e]

I , on the other hand belive in independency of mind .
Teach the kids whatever u want in their considerable ages , they should learn everything but at a specific age . I donot Care if they learn history of worriors to the history of serial killers ... but their independency of mind should not be hijacked .
Your last paragraph about pakistani ideology and that , that ... is again like ordering the children to do nd learn what and how you want them to .

okay an independent kid left in pool of dirt what will he turn into?

given full freedom of ideas and thoughts but surrounded by filth!