Muhammad Bin Qasim

[Torch_v2.0]

So has Buddhism and Zoroastrianism and Paganism and Hedonism.

What's the Point ?

 

[Wolfhunter]

What's the Point ?

The point is, someone claiming that an arab general was the first “Pakistani” is clearly FALSE.

 

[Ahmad Sajjad Paracha]

It would be an oversimplification if I said Indians and Pakistanis are both south Asian (which they are) but we're much more similar than just being from the same region. French and German speak different, eat different and live different but that's not the case with us and Indians. Think more like Germany and Austria. The norms, social construct (besides the caste system), architecture and even the physical side of things (well for Punjabis on both sides atleast) are mostly the same. The only major difference that rose is religion and the change in lifestyle that it bought. I'm not out here screaming WE WUZ MARATHAS AND SHIET but I don't see the big deal in admitting that we have a whole lot in common, we are a separate country now. Besides it's alot better than claiming that we and Arabs are somehow connected. Can't speak Arabic, don't look Arabic, don't eat Arabic, don't live in Arab lands but still relate to Arabs ? That's like saying an Indonesian is also related to Arabs just because at one point in time there was Arab influence in the area and now they share the same religion.

First of all, it's not pakistan and india only that come in southasia, there are other countries too. Secondly, pakistan is also part of south east asia, is india part of east asia too? I don't think so. We didn't part from India, we parted from British india which comprised of different areas with people of different orgin,culture and ethnicity annexed together over a period of 150 years so after britain left subcontinent, britain india was divided into pakistan and india, which is justifiable and was certain to happen and after sometimes pakistan was further divided into bangladesh and pakistan which was again certain to happen as we didn't have anything in common except religion(although the way it got partitioned was not appropriate). Speaking of commonality, tell me who speaks Sindhi,seraiki,pashto,hindko,kohistani,mishwani,chitrali,balti,shena,balochi,brahvi languages in India the only common language is punjabi. Who eats beef,mutton,chappal kabaab,khoya,swati rice(ghatghala locally known), dumpukht in india. Only common foods are daal and vegetables which are also common in other coutries too. In dresses our dresses are shalwar kameez, shall peshawari topi, turbun,chapali, ajarak and indian includes sari, some wierd shorts and shirts that their men wear. Who holds jirga in india, are their any mehfils organized in india, any sindhi dance, attan, rabbab music,baloch music. Speaking of values what values do we share they are superstitious as ****, and go to abroad see urself the difference in their way of living in pakistanis way of living. Pakistanis appearance is different they are taller,fairer and have sharper features. The only common thing is our eastern punjab and their nothern punjab nothing else. The commonality that we share is because of our history toghether because of rulers not because we are one. In conclusion the reason that pakistan and india are separate countries is beacuse the people living in these countries are mostly different. The sooner u guys gulp this fact, the better it would be for you or else live in some illusion that gives you frustration.

 

[Ahmad Sajjad Paracha]

It's my sleeping time, talk to you all in the mornin. Bye

 

[Torch_v2.0]

The point is, someone claiming that an arab general was the first “Pakistani” is clearly FALSE.

U see , Arab is an ethnicity & Pakistani is nationality ,So Why can't he be claimed as a Pakistani.

 

[Wolfhunter]

U see , Arab is an ethnicity & Pakistani is nationality ,So Why can't he be claimed as a Pakistani.

Because Pakistan didn’t exist during the time of Bin Qasim. It’s really that simple!

 

[Torch_v2.0]

Because Pakistan didn’t exist during the time of Bin Qasim. It’s really that simple!

It's not that simple ,
It's about perception again !
Do you know why Pakistan was formed ?

 

[Wolfhunter]

It's not that simple ,
It's about perception again !
Do you know why Pakistan was formed ?

Yes, what does Mohammad Bin Qasim have to do with the creation of Pakistan and the 1944 all India Muslim leauge?

 

[Torch_v2.0]

Yes, what does Mohammad Bin Qasim have to do with the creation of Pakistan and the 1944 all India Muslim leauge?

Congrats , get educated then : http://www.findpk.com/pof/pakistan_movement.html

 

[hussain0216]

Yes, what does Mohammad Bin Qasim have to do with the creation of Pakistan and the 1944 all India Muslim leauge?

Both wanted to create a muslim state where Pakistan exists today

Its the reason for some to make the connection

Its more emotional then historic as well as the fact we hate india and indians and most want no connection to them

 

[khanz]

U see , Arab is an ethnicity & Pakistani is nationality ,So Why can't he be claimed as a Pakistani.

wtf because there no such thing as pakistani nationality back then ! this makes no sense how the hell can he be claimed as a Pakistani when he wasn't born there and he himself never claimed such a thing nor is there any reputable historical source that cites him as pakistani.
Why don't you also claim Khalid ibn al-walid as the "first Iranian" ? because he helped conquer the Persian empire and modern day Iran is Muslim today also due to Arab Muslim conquest and invasion same as modern day Pakistan why not Afghan Khilji as the "first Bangladeshi" see how stupid that sounds ? He can't be claimed as a pakistani because that is an absurd claim and makes you look like you have a serious inferiority complex.

 

[hussain0216]

wtf because there no such thing as pakistani nationality back then ! this makes no sense how the hell can he be claimed as a Pakistani when he wasn't born there and he himself never claimed such a thing nor is there any reputable historical source that cites him as pakistani.
Why don't you also claim Khalid ibn al-walid as the "first Iranian" ? because he helped conquer the Persian empire and modern day Iran is Muslim today also due to Arab Muslim conquest and invasion same as modern day Pakistan why not Afghan Khilji as the "first Bangladeshi" see how stupid that sounds ? He can't be claimed as a pakistani because that is an absurd claim and makes you look like you have a serious inferiority complex.

Its simply a emotional connection to one of the first people to bring muslim civilisation to the sub continent

No reason to get your panties wet

 

[Torch_v2.0]

He can't be claimed as a pakistani because that is an absurd claim and makes you look like you have a serious inferiority complex.

So you don't respect what the Jinnah said ?

 

[Wolfhunter]

No reason to get your panties wet

Reported @The Eagle

 

[Torch_v2.0]

see how stupid that sounds ?

It's all about Perception.