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Mughal’s Rajput policy vs Afghan policy

None taken, it's only historical discussion. :)
At least my ancestors where never ruled by them.:azn:
Yes, no one is arguing that Afghans where brilliant warriors but the main reason was because they were united, a good battle would have been a United Rajput force vs Pathans.
The Pakhtoons were not united bro:o::o::o:
The rival tribes were always at each others throats!
Every time there was an invasion it was just a confedracy of a few major tribes and some small tribes.
you should look in to Ghilzai and durrani rivalry. Basically every Pakhtun considered himself a warlord. that is why they were so hard to control and large empires loosely controlled them or did not bother with them much(including the Brits).
That is also one of the major reason they did not make a major empire, they always got good starts but due to their disunity failed.
Look at the mongols very similar to us in this regards however they were very strongly united by Changez Khan
 
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The Pakhtoons were not united bro:o::o::o:
The rival tribes were always at each others throats!
Every time there was an invasion it was just a confedracy of a few major tribes and some small tribes.
you should look in to Ghilzai and durrani rivalry. Basically every Pakhtun considered himself a warlord. that is why they were so hard to control and large empires loosely controlled them or did not bother with them much(including the Brits).
That is also one of the major reason they did not make a major empire, they always got good starts but due to their disunity failed.
Look at the mongols very similar to us in this regards however they were very strongly united by Changez Khan
Interesting, what tribe are you from?
I doubt your disunity was on the same level as Rajputs, we would fight each other for no reason while high on opium.:rofl:
Very few instances where we have been united.:tdown:
 
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Interesting, what tribe are you from?
I doubt your disunity was on the same level as Rajputs, we would fight each other for no reason while high on opium.:rofl:
Very few instances where we have been united.:tdown:
Yousafzai well i think so anyways too much intermixing lol
Lol Pakhtoons were famous for the same things,they would from woman to even just showing your off Ghairat(manhood) lol
 
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None taken, it's only historical discussion. :)
At least my ancestors where never ruled by them.:azn:
Yes, no one is arguing that Afghans where brilliant warriors but the main reason was because they were united, a good battle would have been a United Rajput force vs Pathans.
Actually Afghans were/are notorious for disunity. When babur arrived , there was civil war going on between afghan, infact babur was invited to hindostan by a lodhi noble dualat khan lodhi.
Sher shah suri had to get rid of powerful lodhi and lohani afghans to assume power......in central india he slaughtered an entire afghan tribe, miana for unknown reason.
His son saleem shah suri exterminated every nine out of ten niazi tribesmen who contested to snatch deldhi throne from suris......

In their homeland pakhtunkhwa and afghanistan, they used to have continuous inter-tribal wars unless invaded by foreigners.
 
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Actually Afghans were/are notorious for disunity. When babur arrived , there was civil war going on between afghan, infact babur was invited to hindostan by a lodhi noble dualat khan lodhi.
Sher shah suri had to get rid of powerful lodhi and lohani afghans to assume power......in central india he slaughtered an entire afghan tribe, miana for unknown reason.
His son saleem shah suri exterminated every nine out of ten niazi tribesmen who contested to snatch deldhi throne from suris......

In their homeland pakhtunkhwa and afghanistan, they used to have continuous inter-tribal wars unless invaded by foreigners.
Sher Shah Suri sounds brutal, cheers mate,
 
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Afghans where brutal and uncivilised compared to the disciplined Rajputs.

Brave ,not 'disciplined'.The nobility despite being extremely courageus and hardy was addicted to opium and was casteist.They also lacked unity or vision and were heavily outnumbered.
 
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The Mughals were bad news and personally shouldn't be considered a Muslim Empire, you can call it a Indian empire that makes me happier. They just created shirk after shirk in Islam and good riddance of them.
they should not have brought islam into hindu india. islam is better off in tribal lands and primarily caters to people owith lower human quotient in them.
 
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they should not have brought islam into hindu india. islam is better off in tribal lands and primarily caters to people owith lower human quotient in them.

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Good for you. But were they ever ruled by Rajputs the answer is NO!!
Did the Pakhtuns rule the Rajputs yes :azn: no offence btw :D

So that is why South India still retains a lot of the classical Hindu culture I guess.
 
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Aurangzaib was short-sighted, he provoked afghans un-necessarily and took panga with rajputs, the reliable allies of mughals.
Does any one knows what was policy of jahangir and shahjahan towards rajputs and afghans?

However according to a marathi booki Shivaji Maharj said that Aurangjeb's policy towards Rajputs was right.

Marathi kingdom Sawarajya founded by Shivaji raje had 1/3 Maharashtra under control.

His success inspired many people including Chharasaal Bundela.

Shivaji Raje, according to book Shreeman Yogi concluded that Aurangzeb realized the mistake of compromise with Rajput Hindu families and wanted that mistake to be righted.

Rajput Policy of Aurangzeb
Rajput policies of Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb were stern and he attempted to destroy the power of the Rajputs and annex their kingdoms.​

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Rajput policies adopted by Aurangzeb were strict and stern. Aurangzeb reversed the policy which was enunciated by Akbarand pursued by Jahangir andShah Jahan. The Rajputs were the greatest obstacle in his pursuance of policy against the Hindus. Aurangzeb, therefore, attempted to destroy the power of the Rajputs and annex their kingdoms. There were three important Rajput rulers at that time, viz. Raja Jaswant Singh of Marwar, Rana Raj Singh of Mewar and Raja Jai Sing of Jaipur. All the three were at peace with the Mughals when Aurangzeb ascended the throne. But, Aurangzeb never kept faith in the loyalty of these Rajput rulers.

Aurangzeb deputed Raja Jai Singh in the Deccan where, ultimately he died in 1666 A.D. Raja Jaswant Singh was deputed to defend the north-western frontier of the empire. Two of his sons died fighting against the Afghan rebels and he himself died in Afghanistan in 1678 A.D. Aurangzeb was waiting for this opportunity. At that time, there was no successor to the throne of Marwar. He occupied Marwar immediately and, with a view to disgrace the ruling family, sold the throne of Jaswant Singh for rupees thirty-six lakhs. It seemed that the existence of Marwar was lost for ever. But, Marwar was saved. While returning from Afghanistan, the two wives of Rana Jaswant Singh gave birth to two sons at Lahore. One of them died but the other named Ajit Singh remained alive. Durga Das, the commander-in-chief of the Rathors came to Delhi with the prince and requested Aurangzeb to hand over Marwar to Maharaja Ajit Singh. Aurangzeb did not agree. Ajit Singh was declared the ruler of Marwar and the war of independence of Marwar began from that time.

Rana Raj Singh of Mewar, who realised that it was in the interest of Mewar to fight against the Mughals, gave support to Marwar. In 1681 A.D., Akbar, son of Aurangzeb revolted against his father with the support of the Rajputs. The revolt of Akbar failed and he fled toMaharashtra under the protection of Durga Das. Aurangzeb offered peace to Mewar and it was accepted. The Rathors of Marwar, however, continued their fight against the Mughals. Pursuing his son Akbar, Aurangzeb left for Deccan and could never come back from there. Marwar fought against the Mughals till the death of the emperor in 1707 A.D., of course, accepting peace in between twice, and finally succeeded in gaining its independence.

Thus, Aurangzeb failed to subdue either Mewar or Marwar. The only result of his policy against these states was that he lost the support of the Rajputs. The Rajputs, who were one of the best supporters of the Mughal Empire since the reign of Akbar, revolted against Aurangzeb. Their services could no more be utilised in strengthening the Mughal empire. On the contrary, it added to the troubles of the empire. It encouraged other revolts also. Thus, the Rajput policy of Aurangzeb failed and its failure contributed to the failure of Aurangzeb and resulted in the weakening of the Mughal Empire.


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There has been a lot of debate on Akbar’s relations with the Rajputs. It is stated that Akbar’s Rajput policy was a part of a broad policy of wooing the zamindars and martial classes which included the Rajputs and Afghans. Akbar’s alliance with the Rajputs began as a political coalition but later, it developed into an instrument of closer relations between Hindus and Muslims which formed the basis for a broad liberal tolerant policy towards all, irrespective of faith.

Mughal-Rajput relations in the 16th century developed according to the political requirement of the two main ruling elites in North India-the Mughals and Rajputs. In the 17th century however it suffered a setback against the backdrop of steady expansion of the Empire, internal conflicts among the Rajputs and proclamation of the principle of regional autonomy by different sections. Jahangir and Shah Jahan During the reign of these rulers the alliance with the Rajputs established by Akbar was strengthened despite certain hurdles.

Aurangzeb was the third son of the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan; his mother was Mumtaz Mahal, who is buried in the Taj Mahal. Aurangzeb showed his ability in administrative and military matters in various appointments, which gradually caused him to envy his eldest brother Dara Shikoh, the designated successor to the throne.

During his reign the mughal Rajput relation got strained due to Aurangjeb’s intereference with the internal affairs of the Marwar’is rule of succession after the death of Jaswant singh. But during this time relation of Mughal with other Rajput sates except Marwar and Mewar were as usual. During the Aurangjeb’s reign the percentage of Rajput mansabdar in the Mughal army was greater in comparison to his predecessors.

According to historians Aurangzeb reversed Akbar’s Policy of religious toleration. He basically used those policies which were already introduced by his predecessor but those were not that strong so again Aurangzeb during his reign again used those policies and one of them in Religious policy.

Aurangzeb’s religious policy was largely based on his analysis of the first half of Aurangzeb’s reign, which in his opinion was climaxed by the rein position of Jizyah (poll tax). The other orthodox measures of Aurangzeb were insidious attempts on his part to establish an Islamic state in India which in effect implied conversion of the entire population to Islam and the extinction of every form a dissent.

The religion policy of Mughal was largely the reflection of the personal religious views etc. It was a very narrow and orthodoxy kind of policy taken by Aurangzeb. He put ban on the practice, which were considered as against Islamic spirit. And many ceremonies and festivals were banned that time.

Many temples were also destroyed that time. It was earlier found that long standing temple should not be demolished but no new temples allowed to be built. But later on it was found that many temples were demolished. And this was so because Aurangzeb started fearing for his political existence because there was some temple where both Hindu & Muslim used to go and learn teachings and Aurangzeb thinking that this kind of practice may hamper therefore, there should be stopped so demolishment took place.

There was also tax, which was imposed on non- Muslims like Jizyah. It was that tax which was ream- posed by Aurangzeb on the non-Muslims. Aurangzeb considered reimpostion of Jizyah, but postponed the matter due to “certain political exigencies”.

That it was reimpossed twenty-two years after Aurangzeb’s accession to the throne is clear indication that its institution was on account of political considerations. Jizyah was used to be collected by honest God-fearing Muslims, who were especially appointed for this purpose. Because of this tax many got converted I and enjoyed benefits but many did not left their religion and were being harassed.

There was exception I in this tax was that the women, children and the person who cannot earn even for his own livelihood will be taken into consideration. So basically Jizyah was not an Income Tax but was a kind of property tax, which is imposed only it non-Muslim. These many let Islam grow.

There been several bad impacts of Aurangzeb’s policies. Some historians had said that Aurangzeb’s policies made Mughal very weak. Earlier there was no respect left for Islam and its adherents; mosques were without splendor, while idol-temples flourished; the requisites of canonical practice remained closed under bolts, while the gates of irreligious practices were flung open.

That time Aurangzeb was the defender of the truth faith, converts to Islam were made much of. Many temples were given order of destruction and instead mosques built. But now because of this religious policy Mughal State had failed to yield the expected dividends. Now Aurangzeb faced difficult task of bringing under Imperial control the extensive country extending up to Jinji, populated by Hindu population and simultaneoudy he had to deal with Marathas.

And situation became so worst that there seem like Aurangzeb need to make some modification in his policy. His attitude towards Hindu temples also varied from time to time according to circumstance that is political exigencies. And his attitude towards Marathas also varied. But policy was not changed. During that time many festivals & ceremonies banned and all practice, which is found against Islamic spirit, were also banned. Jizyah’s impact was also very bad.

After reading or researching it can said that Aurangzeb was very orthodox regarding his religious policy but indeed was a hardworking personality and he was of such kind that he did not even allow his officers to be spare. But even Aurangzeb got only disappointment. Reason can be that he was very orthodox regarding religious policies and also Jizyah. Religious policy was basically concern with Islamic spirits.

And Jizyah was there because of this Religious policy, People who do not belonged to Islamic religion or who were non-Muslim were charged with this Jizyah tax. To conclude Aurangzeb’s religious policy we will have to go through a numbers of phases. Through Aurangzeb’s policy he brought system under tremendous pressure especially by his religious policy and also political policies.

Aurangzeb’s religious policy should be seen in a wider context. Aurangzeb was orthodox in his outlook and tried to remain within the framework of Islamic law. But this law was development outside India in a vastly dissimilar situation, and could hardly be applied rigidly to India.

His failure to respect the susceptibilities of his non-Muslim subjects can be seen on many occasions. And his re-imposition of Jizyah did not help him to rally the Muslims to his side or generate a greater sense of loyalty towards a state based on Islamic Law. So overall his policies had weakened his administration.

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So that is why South India still retains a lot of the classical Hindu culture I guess.

South India had little Muslim rule, and just when it could have gotten worse, the Maratha power automatically (not intentionally) shielded them.

Did you know the most inspirational wars in our history (and purposely underplayed in Indian history books) is the war of 26 years, when the most powerful mughal of all time, Aurangzeb spent his last 26 years in Deccan trying to suppress the marathas? The maratha capital then was in Gingee, all the way in Tamilnadu!

The marathas won, and 6 years from Aurangzeb's death, were in Delhi.
 
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South India had little Muslim rule, and just when it could have gotten worse, the Maratha power automatically (not intentionally) shielded them.

Did you know the most inspirational wars in our history (and purposely underplayed in Indian history books) is the war of 26 years, when the most powerful mughal of all time, Aurangzeb spent his last 26 years in Deccan trying to suppress the marathas? The maratha capital then was in Gingee, all the way in Tamilnadu!

The marathas won, and 6 years from Aurangzeb's death, were in Delhi.

Before that, Vijayanagar Empire shielded the culture for centuries. After Vijayanagar empire fell then Marathas rose to prominence after several decades.
 
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