MRCA ::: India May Cancel Fighter Competition

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If its $20 billion for 126 aircrafts then each aircraft will be costing around $158 million. You guys sure you want to spend that kind of money per aircraft?

 

[Paan Singh]

If its $20 billion for 126 aircrafts then each aircraft will be costing around $158 million. You guys sure you want to spend that kind of money per aircraft?

life cycle cost is too included

 

[Chrome Missiles]

If its $20 billion for 126 aircrafts then each aircraft will be costing around $158 million. You guys sure you want to spend that kind of money per aircraft?

LM and Boeing can deliver aircrafts within the 10 billion threshold.

 

[tvsram1992]

@Chrome Missiles
Ur lobbying wont work here , ask Obama to contact madam sonia ji if u want to see F18 in wild card entry .

 

[ashokdeiva]

If its $20 billion for 126 aircrafts then each aircraft will be costing around $158 million. You guys sure you want to spend that kind of money per aircraft?

that does not only amount to the planes cost, but also includes the assembly line and production costs at home.

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@Chrome Missiles
Ur lobbying wont work here , ask Obama to contact madam sonia ji if u want to see F18 in wild card entry .

i'll kill Sonia if that happens, no more money laundring in Defence procurment, we have already had enough of our money eaten away by the Congress a$$ holes.

 

[pmukherjee]

Where is the substance in this piece of news? Is it even news? Just one man's conjectures based on hearsay and innuendos he overheard. They will print anything, it seems. We should wait for the official declaration instead of going to town on this piece of unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[JayAtl]

oh yes the US appologist, I know you would come up with this comment, but you have to offer your F35 probabaly for the next tender that is 2040

what is US apologist to do with simple math and common sense. don't trip over yourself on the way to hug a tree bubba...

 

[Chrome Missiles]

The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter that shares a heritage with 5th generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. Evolutionary integration of 5th generationtechnologies makes the Super Viper the most advanced 4th generation fighter in the world today. The Super Viper is ready for integration into India’s military force structureand operations. This Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter was tailored exclusively to meetor exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft requirements and is absolutely the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF).


F-16IN Super ViperThe Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter

Capability Tailored for the Indian Air Force The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter that shares a heritage with 5th generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. Evolutionary integration of 5th generationtechnologies makes the Super Viper the most advanced 4th generation fighter in the world today. The Super Viper is ready for integration into India’s military force structureand operations. This Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter was tailored exclusively to meetor exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft requirements and is absolutely the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF). F-16IN SuperViper

The Most Advanced Technology

Proven AESA Radar The Northrop Grumman APG-80 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar is a fully developed, integrated AESA that is operational on the global market today. This revolutionary all-weather, precision targeting sensor provides outstanding situational awareness and detection, ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved with automatic terrain following and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.

Modern, Full-Color,All-Digital Glass Cockpit
The pilot receives easy-to-interpret information via the all-digital cockpit and helmet-mounted cueing system. The large color displays are capable of fusing data from on- and off-board sensors, reducing the workload and enabling the pilot to focus on the mission.

Enhanced High-Thrust Engine

The F-16IN offers the highest thrust engine in the competition,the General Electric F110-132A. It has 32,000 pounds of thrust with an unprecedented record of safety, reliability, maintainabilityand durability.

Large Weapon Inventory

The Super Viper has an external load capability of 8,000 kg – more than any other fighter in the competition. The F-16IN can deliver more than 1,500 kg of ordnance on targets more than 1,700 km away and return home without refueling. The latest modern operational precision-guided weapons are integrated on the F-16IN. Newadvanced weapons have been integrated to meet IAF requirements, and the Indian Air Force has the ability to integrate indigenous or third-party weapons

Advanced Survivability Features

The low radar signature of the F-16IN reduces detection by enemy radars. Its single-engine design has a smaller infrared and visual signature than twin-engine fighters. The Raytheon internal electronicwarfare system avoids or defeats the most advanced threats


Safety, Reliability and Maintainability

The F-16 is the most reliable, maintainable and safest multirole fighter inthe world – based on more than 13 million flight hours in peacetime andcombat operations. Our support approach provides the lowest life-cycle cost and is consistent with existing IAF maintenance practices.

Net-Centric Warfare Capability

The F-16IN Super Viper is ready for integration with the Indian AirForce. The fusion of net-centric operations and onboard data providesa total battlespace picture and optimizes mission accomplishment. Data integrates through all phases of the mission, transforming thepilot from an aircraft system manager to a tactician

Proven F-16 Combat andOperational Effectiveness

• Over 400,000 combat hours
• More air-to-air victories (72–0)
• Over 100,000 combat missions flown
• More than 2,200,000 kg of ordnance delivered in combat

The F-16IN Super Viper provides the Indian Air Force with a partnership for the future that no other air force and industry combination can offer

 

[JayAtl]

Super Hornet - sonic boom.

nah, we need to give them the opportunity to join F35 JSF program ...wait I thought we did. F18/F16 is not going to cut it. they need to be in 5th gen aircraft if this falls through( which I doubt it will) , but for the sake of argument- F35 is the only option.

 

[Black Widow]

Why russia did not offered its su 37/47 in MMRCA instead of mig-35?

And moreover they are not MRCA... They are heavy class fighter..

Light weight Fighters: LCA, MiG21, FC1, J10, F16 (Some variant).
Medium weight fighters : Rafael, EFT, F18 (Some put it in heavy class),MiG29 (series)
Heavy weight fighters: F22, F15, MiG31, Su27 series (27 to 47), PAK-FA.

India was looking for medium weight multi/omni role fighter, not heavy class fighter...

 

[harpoon]

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i'll kill Sonia if that happens, no more money laundring in Defence procurment, we have already had enough of our money eaten away by the Congress a$$ holes.

The comments like this is that forced Kapil Sibal to ask for internet surveillance.

 

[Chrome Missiles]

nah, we need to give them the opportunity to join F35 JSF program ...wait I thought we did. F18/F16 is not going to cut it. they need to be in 5th gen aircraft if this falls through( which I doubt it will) , but for the sake of argument- F35 is the only option.

The technologies offered to India are unmatched. There is no equal to the Super Viper and the Super Hornet apart from the fifth gen JSF program and the Raptor.

 

[janon]

The technologies offered to India are unmatched. There is no equal to the Super Viper and the Super Hornet apart from the fifth gen JSF program and the Raptor.

Oh come on, this is pure flaim bait. Is there anyone reading this thread who doesn't know that super viper and super hornet were both found inferior performance-wise, and thats why the eurobirds were selected? You could make an argument about price, but don't claim that the technologies offered by the teens are unmatched. Well they are unmatched in a sense - they are outclassed. Unmatched could mean either way. "There is no equal" is also true in the exact opposite sense to what you meant - the rafale and EF are far more than equals to the F-teens.

The two selected aircrafts performed far better than the teens. Everybody and their dog knows this much.

 

[tvsram1992]

The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter that shares a heritage with 5th generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. Evolutionary integration of 5th generationtechnologies makes the Super Viper the most advanced 4th generation fighter in the world today. The Super Viper is ready for integration into India’s military force structureand operations. This Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter was tailored exclusively to meetor exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft requirements and is absolutely the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF).


F-16IN Super ViperThe Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter

Capability Tailored for the Indian Air Force The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter that shares a heritage with 5th generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. Evolutionary integration of 5th generationtechnologies makes the Super Viper the most advanced 4th generation fighter in the world today. The Super Viper is ready for integration into India’s military force structureand operations. This Ultimate 4th Generation Fighter was tailored exclusively to meetor exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft requirements and is absolutely the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF). F-16IN SuperViper

The Most Advanced Technology

Proven AESA Radar The Northrop Grumman APG-80 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar is a fully developed, integrated AESA that is operational on the global market today. This revolutionary all-weather, precision targeting sensor provides outstanding situational awareness and detection, ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved with automatic terrain following and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.

Modern, Full-Color,All-Digital Glass Cockpit
The pilot receives easy-to-interpret information via the all-digital cockpit and helmet-mounted cueing system. The large color displays are capable of fusing data from on- and off-board sensors, reducing the workload and enabling the pilot to focus on the mission.

Enhanced High-Thrust Engine

The F-16IN offers the highest thrust engine in the competition,the General Electric F110-132A. It has 32,000 pounds of thrust with an unprecedented record of safety, reliability, maintainabilityand durability.

Large Weapon Inventory

The Super Viper has an external load capability of 8,000 kg – more than any other fighter in the competition. The F-16IN can deliver more than 1,500 kg of ordnance on targets more than 1,700 km away and return home without refueling. The latest modern operational precision-guided weapons are integrated on the F-16IN. Newadvanced weapons have been integrated to meet IAF requirements, and the Indian Air Force has the ability to integrate indigenous or third-party weapons

Advanced Survivability Features

The low radar signature of the F-16IN reduces detection by enemy radars. Its single-engine design has a smaller infrared and visual signature than twin-engine fighters. The Raytheon internal electronicwarfare system avoids or defeats the most advanced threats


Safety, Reliability and Maintainability

The F-16 is the most reliable, maintainable and safest multirole fighter inthe world – based on more than 13 million flight hours in peacetime andcombat operations. Our support approach provides the lowest life-cycle cost and is consistent with existing IAF maintenance practices.

Net-Centric Warfare Capability

The F-16IN Super Viper is ready for integration with the Indian AirForce. The fusion of net-centric operations and onboard data providesa total battlespace picture and optimizes mission accomplishment. Data integrates through all phases of the mission, transforming thepilot from an aircraft system manager to a tactician

Proven F-16 Combat andOperational Effectiveness

• Over 400,000 combat hours
• More air-to-air victories (72–0)
• Over 100,000 combat missions flown
• More than 2,200,000 kg of ordnance delivered in combat

The F-16IN Super Viper provides the Indian Air Force with a partnership for the future that no other air force and industry combination can offer

If F-16 is the most advanced plane then what is the necessity of US offering F18E/F . U only agreed that F18 is not the best and in ur previous posts u are lobbying for F18 .
Mig35 is far economical and potential plane .

Why to buy rafales or eft which were now top 2 competitors of mmrca deal?
Just buy 2 mig 35's instead of one rafale or one euro fighter typhoon

I heard that trials at bangalore,jaisalmer and leh were completed,
EFT and RAFALE occupied first two positions.

Why mig 35 werw discussed in various threads and topics where greatness of mig 35 is described ,which proves it can win the deal .
Here we are going to discus why 2 migs.

Rafale/eft costs $85million so for that cost we can buy 2 migs as its unit cost is $ 38 million.

Why 2 migs?

Increases no. of squadrons as we buy more no. of migs

Less cost : We can get 2 mig 35 for cost of one rafale or eft

cost of rafale/eft=$85million
cost of 2 migs = 2*40=$80 million

More fuel

2 migs can carry more fuel, while combat both can undergo air air refuelling ie
if one carries more fuel and other carries more payload if fuel becomes less in one mig other can transfer fuel to other in case of emergency

More fuel means more range!

Rafale eft can carry 9000 kg of payload
where as 2 migs can carry 15000 kg payload, so double advantage.

Same rcs
While on a mission migs can move with mach speeds one hidden behind other which can go in formation at high speeds to confuse the enemy to think that one plane is coming.

Strategic bombing

Two migs can be useful for strategic bombing instead of high rcs strategic bomber

Both migs can bomb parallely at a time in two places which is not possible in case of single rafale. It has to come again to bomb parallely.

More air superiority

Being the most maneuverable fighter , 2 migs can carry double air to air weapons which increases its dominance.

More survivability

Two migs at dog fight means two different rcs which confuses a2 a missiles to decide which target to be hit.

So 2 migs can prove to be more dominant even at dog fight or strategic/tactical bombing

so better to buy 252-400 migs instead of 126-200 rafale/eft


This proves disadvantageous only in case of light weight air craft carrier where size of planes and their weight becomes important. In this case rafales can be used

 

[Chrome Missiles]

If F-16 is the most advanced plane then what is the necessity of US offering F18E/F . U only agreed that F18 is not the best and in ur previous posts u are lobbying for F18 .
Mig35 is far economical and potential plane .

F-16 is from "Lockheed"
F/A-18 is from "Boeing"