Mountain Strike Corps: A Strategic Audit

[Genesis]

Few fires of brahmos on bridges connecting china and Tibet is all we need to cut off chinese supply to chinese troop in Tibet. Than we can do what ever we like to Chinese forces in Tibet.

But we can't do the same to you? Beside the fact we have huge transport capabilities if it's so near our own border, you don't even have a reliable satellite system to use in case of war. The US can redirect your missiles if they want or make it completely useless, if you are using GPS. India doesn't have a dedicated system that would allow accurate missile fire.

The US won't openly support any war against China when it's non US treaty allies.


@applesauce

We are in fact catching up fast, and I do believe 2017/2018 is a key year for us, that's when I believe most of our current known project will mature and go into mass production. At that time, the west won't have a system that can create a generation difference, it may still have a slightly better version, but by that point the difference is marginal and thus meaningless.

So this they can buy more is a blessing and a curse.

 

[OrionHunter]

what is the logic to base MSC at Panagarh , West Bengal ?

The Pak specific Strike corps are also located deep in interior of India ...

Does that serve the purpose ?

You can't put the the strike corps bang on the borders permanently, for a number of reasons.

Then there's something called 'battle indicators'. You just don't go into a war overnight. Indicators start manifesting themselves months before hostilities by humint, satellite surveillance, sigint, build-up of enemy forces, establishing and moving up their logistic nodes and so on. These would be pointers to escalation and the probability of an offensive by the enemy.

These indicators give own forces adequate warning to deploy for battle and be ready at 'battle stations'. If you think the Chinese for example will just materialize out of nowhere in a day or two at the borders and launch an offensive, then you're way off track. That kind of build-up would take at least a month if not more. And that's sufficient time for own forces to mobilize to counter any offensive.

 

[HariPrasad]

this is one of the reasons why china is working hard on large air transports such as the y-20, but even now china operates many y-8/9 transports more than enough to handle any Tibetan issue with india even if the train lines/roads are destroyed

But we would have best in class air defense and long range SAM to counter enemy Planes. K 100 has 400 KM range. By 2018 we shall have 300 KM sam. It will not be easy for Transport air craft to operate in this area.

 

[applesauce]

We are in fact catching up fast, and I do believe 2017/2018 is a key year for us, that's when I believe most of our current known project will mature and go into mass production. At that time, the west won't have a system that can create a generation difference, it may still have a slightly better version, but by that point the difference is marginal and thus meaningless.

So this they can buy more is a blessing and a curse.

correct buying the best is indeed a blessing and curse at the same time, which is why i say in a short term, localized, high intensity fight its very dangerous but in a more general war its a big handicap

 

[HariPrasad]

But we can't do the same to you? Beside the fact we have huge transport capabilities if it's so near our own border, you don't even have a reliable satellite system to use in case of war. The US can redirect your missiles if they want or make it completely useless, if you are using GPS. India doesn't have a dedicated system that would allow accurate missile fire.
The US won't openly support any war against China when it's non US treaty allies.

We have rugged roads in border areas and not bridges like you guys have. Beside we have almost 0 CEP missiles to target any tactical location within 500 KM. We have access to GPS as well as GLONAS. Our own network is coming up. US will directly or Indirectly support india so as russia as they have done in past. that is not an issue.

 

[applesauce]

But we would have best in class air defense and long range SAM to counter enemy Planes. K 100 has 400 KM range. By 2018 we shall have 300 KM sam. It will not be easy for Transport air craft to operate in this area.

The transports arnt going to the front lines, but to a staging area then they drive to the front lines so they wont be facing your sams. further more china has its own anti air, in fact china has more anti air than india. unless you are going to claim that india can cover the entire Tibetan area with anti air, you cant stop any Chinese mobilizations. then we must consider how india will fare in its attempts at mobilization, its well know that india's infrastructure in the area is far behind china's and further-more all that you said here can be use against india as well, china has MLRS with 400+ km range and they are gps/baidou guided given china a cheap way of raining down missile from relative safety(of course china has tons of short/medium ranged missiles too, far more than india). and remember china holds the high ground, giving its radars a advantage.

We have rugged roads in border areas and not bridges like you guys have. Beside we have almost 0 CEP missiles to target any tactical location within 500 KM. We have access to GPS as well as GLONAS. Our own network is coming up. US will directly or Indirectly support india so as russia as they have done in past. that is not an issue.

you think russia will side with india in a war with china? lol
heck i bet even the US wouldnt wanna get its hand dirty

btw, china has plenty of roads in tibet, the trains gets more publicity because they are alot faster and newer

 

[cirr]

The 54th mechanized brigade consists of 6 battalions and 1 regiment，as follows:

1st and 2nd Tank Battalion （62 X ZTZ96A）
1st、2nd and 4th Infantry Battalion（123 X ZSD89 APC）
3rd Infantry Battalion（41 X ZSL92 APC）
Artillery Regiment：
1st and 2nd Howitzer Battalion（36 X PLZ07-122mm guns）
Combined Air-defence Battalion（12 X HN6 anti-aircraft missile launchers ，18 X PGZ04A-25 tracked armoured anti-aircraft guns ）
One Rocket Artillery Company （6 X PHL81-122mm rocket launchers）
One Assault Gun Company
One Anti-Tank Company

 

[OrionHunter]

But we can't do the same to you?

You see there was this earlier strategy of not building infrastructure near the Sino-Indian borders by India precisely for this reason. If there's no infrastructure, what would you destroy? But that needless to say was a double edged sword as it would hinder the movement of own troops too. That has now changed. However, we have far less infrastructure to bother about than the Chinese in Tibet. In other words, there are far more VAs/VPs as lucrative targets in Tibet for missiles and the air force.

Beside the fact we have huge transport capabilities if it's so near our own border, you don't even have a reliable satellite system to use in case of war. The US can redirect your missiles if they want or make it completely useless, if you are using GPS.
India doesn't have a dedicated system that would allow accurate missile fire.

Transport needs a road network, right? Without one, you're transport fleet would be useless, meaning destruction of roads and especially bridges would render your transport fleet as dead as a dodo. How would you then move your military hardware and personnel?

Secondly we are gradually shifting to the Russian GLONASS system and so would not be dependent on the whims and fancies of the Yanks. In addition, India will have its own sat-nav system, the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System (IRNSS) up and running soon.

 

[HariPrasad]

The transports arnt going to the front lines, but to a staging area then they drive to the front lines so they wont be facing your sams. further more china has its own anti air, in fact china has more anti air than india. unless you are going to claim that india can cover the entire Tibetan area with anti air, you cant stop any Chinese mobilizations. then we must consider how india will fare in its attempts at mobilization, its well know that india's infrastructure in the area is far behind china's and further-more all that you said here can be use against india as well, china has MLRS with 400+ km range and they are gps/baidou guided given china a cheap way of raining down missile from relative safety(of course china has tons of short/medium ranged missiles too, far more than india). and remember china holds the high ground, giving its radars a advantage.

But If they do not go front line and drop them away from front line the whole benifit of airlifting is weast. You can transport them by road as well. It is true that our infrastructure is not as good as you but it is ragged you can not cut it.

So far as Air defense is concern, We have best in class Russian, Indian, Israelis systems. American systems are also in offer. Your Radars can not match the capability of indian Radars having 1500 KM range such as derivatives of Green pan. We have our own 500 to 600 KM rage AESA radars installed a long back.

Do not remain in delusion so far as US is concern. They are helping all your adversaries be it Vietnam or NK or Japan. They recently did a deal with Vietnam to give them nuclear technology. What did you guys did in response? Nothing.

 

[applesauce]

You see there was this earlier strategy of not building infrastructure near the Sino-Indian borders by India precisely for this reason. If there's no infrastructure, what would you destroy? But that needless to say was a double edged sword as it would hinder the movement of own troops too. That has now changed. However, we have far less infrastructure to bother about than the Chinese in Tibet. In other words, there are far more VAs/VPs as lucrative targets in Tibet for missiles and the air force.

cheap chinese guided rockets can hit as far a the indian capital, there plenty to destroy there. and what we assuming here anyways? is china doing the attacking or defending? cause if china is defending, the lack of infrastructure in India will only help china, if china is attacking, they yea im pretty sure they wont be occupying any significant parts of india either.

Transport needs a road network, right? Without one, you're transport fleet would be useless, meaning destruction of roads and especially bridges would render your transport fleet as dead as a dodo. How would you then move your military hardware and personnel?

Secondly we are gradually shifting to the Russian GLONASS system and so would not be dependent on the whims and fancies of the Yanks. In addition, India will have its own sat-nav system, the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System (IRNSS) up and running soon.

if india destroyed roads/bridges it will for sure slow any PLA advance but india isnt exactly a fast mobilizing force either. its movement problems are worse than what china faces

 

[rockstarIN]

@cirr

All defense modernization is aimed at looking at china threat, be it Rafale deal, American transport plane etc.

It is not only few rifle, a new tank. There will be more than 200 LCHs, new light weight artillery guns, more air fields. Deployment of Akash SAM system at those areas are on. So basically, apart from the Mountain Corps there are lot of developments you can see as a whole.

 

[applesauce]

But If they do not go front line and drop them away from front line the whole benifit of airlifting is weast. You can transport them by road as well. It is true that our infrastructure is not as good as you but it is ragged you can not cut it.

being able to fly 80% of the distance to the battle zone is a vast improvement over driving the entire way there. so no its not a waste. and if your road are impossible to destroy what make you assume china's are destroy-able? fr the record, the chinese have far more modern road building experience than india.

So far as Air defense is concern, We have best in class Russian, Indian, Israelis systems. American systems are also in offer. Your Radars can not match the capability of indian Radars having 1500 KM range such as derivatives of Green pan. We have our own 500 to 600 KM rage AESA radars installed a long back.

the greatest radar system in the universe still cannot see through a mountain, where as chinese radars have a clear line of sight. also china has ground radars well in the ball park of the best of the world.

Do not remain in delusion so far as US is concern. They are helping all your adversaries be it Vietnam or NK or Japan. They recently did a deal with Vietnam to give them nuclear technology. What did you guys did in response? Nothing.

name one instance where the us/russia got directly involve in any of modern china's wars. where was us/russia during '62? where was us/russia during '79 where was us/russia during '88? US russia knows better than to directly face a near peer. where was the US during the georgia war of 2008? otoh china got directly involve with a american fight in korea during the 50's. if you beleive they would risk their own lives for india, then we'll just end that point here and debate it no more. at best they will given indirect support, nothing decisive

 

[HariPrasad]

cheap chinese guided rockets can hit as far a the indian capital, there plenty to destroy there. and what we assuming here anyways? is china doing the attacking or defending? cause if china is defending, the lack of infrastructure in India will only help china, if china is attacking, they yea im pretty sure they wont be occupying any significant parts of india either.

So as our missiles can hit Beijing and other Chinese cities. Not a big issue but hardly war will escalate to that level. Area of conflict is going to remain border area.

 

[cirr]

The Tibetan Command can do with an armoured brigade，but the PLA is too ”stingy“ to oblige。

 

[applesauce]

So as our missiles can hit Beijing and other Chinese cities. Not a big issue but hardly war will escalate to that level. Area of conflict is going to remain border area.

then rather than the cities, they will target your staging areas, you still have to worry about the cities being hit diverting your forces and attention, even if the chinese have no intention of doing it.

but frankly this particular point is irrelevant. a boarder fight is going to be decided on who can bring the most fire power in the short amount of time to the target location. i have shown that china can move its forces faster than india, any tactic you suggest for attacking chinese transport capabilities can be use by china against india as well.