Most Pakistanis hate Afghani namak harams

[Rusty]

Of course relations can improve.
But Afghanistan needs to accept the border. And despite Pakistan giving refuge to millions of Afghans she still does not accept the border.
Also the British had wars with the USA and now look at them.

You see the real issue is an existential issue.
Afghanistan sees Pakistan as an "occupier" Pakistan's mere existence is an affront.
Pakistan extended the hands of friendship in the early days but Afghanistan rebuffed it.

Of course relations can improve but NOT by giving millions of Afghans citizenship. That will make relations worse.
In all of human history Iblis has so far not accepted Adam (PBUH).

I would also like to add that Canada is the "junior" in the relationship with the US.

I gave you a thumbs up as I respect what you are saying.
I still like to think that Pakistan and Afghanistan can have a blood bond.
We both just need to grow up a little and start acting like adults.

As for refugees lets just agree to disagree.
I would still like them integrated into Pakistani society.

 

[TMA]

I gave you a thumbs up as I respect what you are saying.
I still like to think that Pakistan and Afghanistan can have a blood bond.
We both just need to grow up a little and start acting like adults.

As for refugees lets just agree to disagree.
I would still like them integrated into Pakistani society.

It is Afghanistan that needs to grow up and accept the border. And in my estimation it will longer than 200 years before that happens.
We already have a blood bond. But what is more important is a دل bond.
I would also like to see the refugees become loyal Pakistanis...But I realise that Pakistan has difficulty with her own Pakistanis being loyal. Why add to this burden? It is unreasonable to expect this from refugees from an anti Pakistan nation.
One's likes and wishes cannot always be actualized.
I take it by integration you mean citizenship as opposed to another legal status like legal resident?

 

[Kabira]

And you dont spew hate speech against us???

Parroting ideas of manzoor pashteen of Punjabi army and punjabistan.

This Paksword is anti-army Pakistan/punjab MQMite, do not take him seriously.

 

[khansaheeb]

My experience as well. It has nothing to do with education.
The fact is that they see Pakistan as an occupier on their territory. This predates the Soviet Afghan war.
Why do Pakistanis forget this?


The reason is Pakistan is "occupying" part of Afghan land. Which country did not accept Pakistan in 1947/48?
It is the same reason that Iblis did not accept Adam (PBUH).

Now the only way Pakistan can appease this, is by "returning" parts of KPK and Balochistan to Afghanistan.
There is no other way. You can throw money, passports, letting them come into Pakistan during the Soviet-Afghan war, whatever you want....you will not be able to change the opinion of the Afghan nation....the sooner Pakistan realises this the better for herself unless Pakistan does what I have proposed above.


What can you expect from them? Why should they not badmouth an "occupier"? Would you not bad mouth an occupier?
The reason those who have Pakistan papers are more hateful, and the reason why those Afghans who have British/EU papers here in the UK are more hateful of Pakistan is because they have now no worry of being repatriated. It is that simple.
What the hearts conceal is far worse than what the tongue reveals....

Look man, don't curse them. Have cordial relations with them. Even be friends with them.
Even I have dinner with Afghan colleagues/friends of mine in the UK. But we just have learned not to speak about Pakistan/Afghanistan issues.
Just do not expect an Afghan refugee who was born and bred in Pakistan to be loyal to Pakistan in case of a border skirmish with Afghanistan. Just do not expect them to have the national interests of Pakistan at heart. Even Pakistanis like Nawaz or Asif Ali did not have this interest at heart.
What folly to expect it from some one from another nation, and a nation that considers Pakistan an "occupier"!


If I may be so blunt and do forgive me. But what naivety it is to think that Pakistan/Afghanistan can work like the USA or Canada.

Thanks for your Indian opinion but it is not true:- "reason why those Afghans who have British/EU papers here in the UK are more hateful of Pakistan "

I have many Afghan friends in the UK and they are really big hearted people who bare no hate.

 

[El Sidd]

Critique is wasted upon retired trolls.

And you thought you had the permission to ask questions. Now get down on all fours and start polishing my shoes.

Was it my response, or your impertinence to question without permission?

Last time you were lying on the ground, spitting up in the air out of desperation, when you decided to call it a night.

You are trying to. A lame, feeble, incoherent attempt.

@WebMaster @The Eagle @Horus this is outright and blatant hate speech. This is disturbing to an extent that I would like these people identified in real life so we can correct their misplaced perceptions.

Less than half a day it took you from asking people to polish your shoes to crying about someones misplaced priorities.

@Ahmet Pasha

He is just like as you observed, someone who considers himself superior to others.

 

[PakSword]

This Paksword is anti-army Pakistan/punjab MQMite, do not take him seriously.

Accidentally I have seen your comment. Next time, tag me properly so that I know what you are saying on my back..

And yes, I don't need any certificate from a person who was creating a Khalistan in Pakistan a few months back because he loves his ghaddar leader more than anyone else..

Secondly, Karachiites, whether they are urdu speakers or non- urdu speakers, voted for PTI.. They voted for candidates who belong to any ethnic background and alhamdolillah we have won 2/3rd majority in a single city.. This was the first election after Altaf the Ghaddar spread his filth in 2016..

This shows that we have love for Pakistan.. unlike you lot.. (and I am not talking about all Punjabis), who don't care about your country and even go on asking for a separate homeland in love of Qatari Aunty and her abba..

Merely repeating that I am a Anti Pakistan/ Anti Army will not make me one.. but asking for break up of Pakistan has certainly made you a traitor..

Karachi is a mini Pakistan.. you hate it or love it, but you guys can't ignore it.. I love it when people like you with inferiority complex about the largest city in Pakistan cry like babies against Karachi.. but you can't do anything..

 

[CriticalThought]

My experience as well. It has nothing to do with education.
The fact is that they see Pakistan as an occupier on their territory. This predates the Soviet Afghan war.
Why do Pakistanis forget this?


The reason is Pakistan is "occupying" part of Afghan land. Which country did not accept Pakistan in 1947/48?
It is the same reason that Iblis did not accept Adam (PBUH).

Now the only way Pakistan can appease this, is by "returning" parts of KPK and Balochistan to Afghanistan.
There is no other way. You can throw money, passports, letting them come into Pakistan during the Soviet-Afghan war, whatever you want....you will not be able to change the opinion of the Afghan nation....the sooner Pakistan realises this the better for herself unless Pakistan does what I have proposed above.


What can you expect from them? Why should they not badmouth an "occupier"? Would you not bad mouth an occupier?
The reason those who have Pakistan papers are more hateful, and the reason why those Afghans who have British/EU papers here in the UK are more hateful of Pakistan is because they have now no worry of being repatriated. It is that simple.
What the hearts conceal is far worse than what the tongue reveals....


Look man, don't curse them. Have cordial relations with them. Even be friends with them.
Even I have dinner with Afghan colleagues/friends of mine in the UK. But we just have learned not to speak about Pakistan/Afghanistan issues.
Just do not expect an Afghan refugee who was born and bred in Pakistan to be loyal to Pakistan in case of a border skirmish with Afghanistan. Just do not expect them to have the national interests of Pakistan at heart. Even Pakistanis like Nawaz or Asif Ali did not have this interest at heart.
What folly to expect it from some one from another nation, and a nation that considers Pakistan an "occupier"!


If I may be so blunt and do forgive me. But what naivety it is to think that Pakistan/Afghanistan can work like the USA or Canada.

This is categorically wrong, and flies in the face of facts. There was no need for fencing when the Taliban were in power. It's only after the current Afghan government came into power that we started seeing these problems. So, the solution is simple: topple the current government.

Less than half a day it took you from asking people to polish your shoes to crying about someones misplaced priorities.

@Ahmet Pasha

He is just like as you observed, someone who considers himself superior to others.

OK, you took that very seriously. For the record, I was treating you as your handle demanded: retired troll, and it was in pure jest. If this hurt your feelings, then I truly apologize.

But whatever I have said absolutely pales in comparison to the generalized and highly derogatory diatribe spewed by the other member. That you should try to compare myself with him only reflects your own biasedness.

Anyway, just so there are no further confusions, and because my jests become too much for you to handle, let's reach an understanding: if we address each other, it will be in all seriousness. No snide remarks, no jests, no trolling. Is this OK with you?

 

[El Sidd]

biasedness

there exist no such word in the English dictionary.

 

[CriticalThought]

there exist no such word in the English dictionary.

Does it convey my intentions to you?

 

[El Sidd]

Does it convey my intentions to you?

It does not answer my question.

Which camp are you in? All in or All out?

 

[CriticalThought]

It does not answer my question.

Which camp are you in? All in or All out?

See, now you are giving me an open invitation to jest with you, after which you start crying about superiority. I am treating you with respect, show respect and don't divert the current discussion. If you didn't know, you are being impolite.

 

[El Sidd]

See, now you are giving me an open invitation to jest with you, after which you start crying about superiority. I am treating you with respect, show respect and don't divert the current discussion. If you didn't know, you are being impolite.

Sure. So what do you have to say more about the current discussion at hand?

 

[CriticalThought]

Sure. So what do you have to say more about the current discussion at hand?

You need to learn respect. And I have the utmost patience to teach you. Drop the attitude.

 

[El Sidd]

You need to learn respect. And I have the utmost patience to teach you. Drop the attitude.

So you always feel like teaching others. @Ahmet Pasha you were right.

 

[CriticalThought]

So you always feel like teaching others. @Ahmet Pasha you were right.

Right.

@WebMaster @The Eagle @Horus apologies to involve you, but Mr @Retired Troll is engaging in continuous personal attacks. This behaviour is continuing even after I remedied whatever slight he felt because of earlier conversation. I thank you gentlemen for you consideration.