Moscow rapidly becomes Islamized

[Alienoz_TR]

Sir, i can tell in detail but we are talking according to article and i am describing what i observed living there lot of time and you should understand that a Muslim is giving such comments about Muslim community and please read carefully what i wrote in last "It is sad indeed"

Even in Pacific regions and cities like Khabarovsk, Muslims are forming communities. With Russian, (generally Slavic) population declining, RU offers many job opportunities for Muslim countries which have excessive manpower reserve.

 

[k_arura]

Personally, i don't want that Moscow becomes a Muslim city because of rubbish and uncultured behaviour of Muslim population. They are not clean, civilized community. It's right that before 4 years ago there were not Muslim strength as today so they brought with them all things which could contaminate society and turn into they used to live. I saw this change with my own eyes and observation in last years and it is sad indeed.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you I am curious to know
1) What observations etc. led you to believe that muslims are not clean?
2) What instances or general observations you can offer in support of there being uncivilized
3) You said you have seen with your eyes. What? Perhaps thats in answer to 1 and 2.

I will be looking fwd to your response.

 

[DV RULES]

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you I am curious to know
1) What observations etc. led you to believe that muslims are not clean?
2) What instances or general observations you can offer in support of there being uncivilized
3) You said you have seen with your eyes. What? Perhaps thats in answer to 1 and 2.

I will be looking fwd to your response.

It is good that you want to know on which bases i made comment so i will give you answer and reason here but in short time.

Even in Pacific regions and cities like Khabarovsk, Muslims are forming communities. With Russian, (generally Slavic) population declining, RU offers many job opportunities for Muslim countries which have excessive manpower reserve.

Sir, you still fail to understand what i am talking about.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Criticism mainly doing when you count yourself out of it. I think it may answer you SIR.

Tell me, did i write something wrong? Look around you and tell me if i am wrong. (Don't want to be off topic)

Yes. You extrapolated from a subset of a few Muslims to ALL Muslims.

Just as those who who generalize that because a few Muslims are terrorists, all Muslims are terrorists.

And to the indians who thanked you. Have you been to indian communities here or seen the behaviour of your fellow indians in the U.S.?

 

[hussain0216]

A couple of quick questions

What percentage of the russian army is muslim? I met a russian muslim during ramadan who told me he used to be in the russian army and the number of muslim conscripts is hugh

its not just immigration its conversion, since the collapse of the soviet union alcoholism has become rampant, and russians are not only nit getting married but also not having children, i think only this year saw.an increase in the russian birth rate

Rusdian muslim birth rate is much larger, combined with immigration and increased conversion you grt todays situation

 

[kobiraaz]

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you I am curious to know
1) What observations etc. led you to believe that muslims are not clean?
2) What instances or general observations you can offer in support of there being uncivilized
3) You said you have seen with your eyes. What? Perhaps thats in answer to 1 and 2.

I will be looking fwd to your response.

i have little idea about Central Asia and Russia. But i guess those who migrate in search of Jobs are dirt poor and uneducated!! Poor and uneducated people are not liked by anyone!

 

[sur]

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[A.Rafay]

Russian Muslims swarm Moscow for ‘Feast of Sacrifice’ (PHOTOS)
Muslims in Russia are celebrating the Feast of Sacrifice, an Islamic holiday dedicated to the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). More than 150,000 prayers are taking place across Moscow at traditional prayer halls, and unconventional spots like golf courses.
The main celebration of Eid al-Adha – known as Kurban Bayram in Russia – began at Moscow’s Cathedral Mosque at 8:30am local time. Despite the cold and rainy weather, worshipers gathered outside of mosques in the pre-dawn hours. Since there was limited space in the prayer halls, thousands poured out onto the streets as a mixture of rain and snow fell.

Moscow residents who live near the mosques also said the celebrations seem slightly noisier than in previous years.
Public prayers had finished by noon, and the huge crowds dispersed and traffic in Moscow returned to normal levels. Police reported that the celebrations passed peacefully without any major incidents.

Muslim worshipers have also been known to slaughter sacrificial animals for Eid in the streets of Moscow, a practice that has been banned in recent years. Leaders of the Muslim community of Moscow argue that these and other public disturbances are due to an insufficient number of mosques in the city.

For a number of years, Islamic leaders have asked city authorities to allow for more mosques to be built – a proposition that even won support from former Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov. But the move was met with widespread protest, with Muscovites holding a number of demonstrations against the construction of new mosques. Mayor Sergey Sobyanin bowed to public pressure and put the proposal on hold.

Russian Muslims swarm Moscow for

 

[KS]

OT :

But can any Indian tell me in whose cities public roads are used for namaj ?

 

[jnd3x0]

Sir, i am the one who against media brain wash and its influence so it is sure that i am talking about out of any influence but only TRUTH.

okay, can you list three things that make you label Muslims as "rubbish and uncultured behavior of Muslim population. They are not clean, civilized community" , you might have experiences few from your community, but here you are stereotyping entire "Muslims"

 

[KingMamba]

Does that mean Muslims can celebrate Christmas?

I buy gifts for my friends on Christmas and they buy me gifts on eid.

A couple of quick questions

What percentage of the russian army is muslim? I met a russian muslim during ramadan who told me he used to be in the russian army and the number of muslim conscripts is hugh

its not just immigration its conversion, since the collapse of the soviet union alcoholism has become rampant, and russians are not only nit getting married but also not having children, i think only this year saw.an increase in the russian birth rate

Rusdian muslim birth rate is much larger, combined with immigration and increased conversion you grt todays situation

Some people say within 10-15 years the Russian army will be 100% Muslim.

 

[KingMamba]

Increased grow of Islam & the xenophobic attitude of Russians against "Muslim Caucasians"...this WILL lead to trouble in the future.
And, for such a large population, Muslims have only 4 mosques in the city.

I didn't know we had a Pole on the forum.

Yeah that is why a lot of them pray on the streets, I have met some Russian Muslims (ethnically Russian) they do not talk about any apprehension between the faiths.

Yes. You extrapolated from a subset of a few Muslims to ALL Muslims.

Just as those who who generalize that because a few Muslims are terrorists, all Muslims are terrorists.

And to the indians who thanked you. Have you been to indian communities here or seen the behaviour of your fellow indians in the U.S.?

One must only go to queens in NY to see the ***** of the Indians.

Even in Pacific regions and cities like Khabarovsk, Muslims are forming communities. With Russian, (generally Slavic) population declining, RU offers many job opportunities for Muslim countries which have excessive manpower reserve.

That is not all unlike in other European countries Russia has a higher number of local converts so that is why there is not any big problems between the faiths also they all speak Russian for the most part even the immigrant Muslims. Unlike in places like England where the Arabs are so hostile I feel bad for the local populace.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Increased grow of Islam & the xenophobic attitude of Russians against "Muslim Caucasians"...this WILL lead to trouble in the future.
And, for such a large population, Muslims have only 4 mosques in the city.

Greetings ....
We have representation from poland too.

Please spare a moment here http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-introduction/

 

[Vassnti]

Before you cruicify DV perhaps i can clarify a few points.

Though he could have phrased it a different way i think i understand his point. A lot of the new immigrants are Chechens and from similar areas, they dont have paper cant get a decent job end up with lousy pay and living in over crowded conditions.
End result they hate being in Moscow but because they are making more than they could at home they stay at least for a while.

Living some where you hate you dont care about the city, areas end up looking like slums Muscovites resent it. Add in that people earning what is really less than they need to survive in Moscow many end up in crime and you get resentment of the newcomers, not because they are Muslim but because they are outsiders trapped in a vice between poverty at home and the rules of moving to Moscow.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Desert Fox, you cant talk the same thing we discussed earlier here.

Russian Federation soil was Islamic long before Christianity took root. In 922, Ibn Fadlan the emissary of Caliphate arrived in Bulgar Khanate and described Muslim communities in his journal. Till mid 16th century, Muslim traders and Arab preachers were common in Eurasian steppes.

And Russian army was never 100% Christian. They used Tatars against Tatars, then Tatars against Ottomans. But that was history. Muslim Russian army is so natural, as the Muslims are native to the soil.