Morsi Shopping For Nuclear-Capable Missiles in China, Saudis Have Already B

[chauism]

That was before MTCR and NPT came into existence.

Oh, really!! Last time I checked, NPT was effective in 1970s, and MTCR was established in 1987. Trident D5 SLBM wasn't even operational in US until 1990, and UK didn't get their hands on it until 1994. So please explain to me how that was before MTCR and NPT came into existence?

 

[anonymus]

Oh, really!! Last time I checked, NPT was effective in 1970s, and MTCR was established in 1987. Trident D5 SLBM wasn't even operational in US until 1990, and UK didn't get their hands on it until 1994. So please explain to me how that was before MTCR and NPT came into existence?

I already had explained

Nuclear missile capability.

Bombers are sometimes sold under the guise of reconnaissance aircrafts and Nuclear submarines are leased and sold without long range weapons.

 

[Audio]

Morsi supposedly shopping for weapons for Iran, while his biggest problem is probably obtaining a loan from the IMF in order to feed his populace so they dont revolt in the summer. Debka ftw!

 

[chauism]

I already had explained

You have explained nothing. If you think you did then you have no clue what Trident D5 is. It is a nuclear capable submarine launched intercontinental ballastic missile. The UK SSBN that carries this missile Vanguard is actually made in UK, however the missile Trident D5 and its nuclear warhead is well of US origin.

 

[anonymus]

You have explained nothing. If you think you did then you have no clue what Trident D5 is. It is a nuclear capable submarine launched intercontinental ballastic missile. The UK SSBN that carries this missile Vanguard is actually made in UK, however the missile Trident D5 and its nuclear warhead is well of US origin.

Calm down boy,

I have explained it earlier. It is not my problem if you do not read other's post

MTCR came into existence in April 1987 while Trident was transferred to UK under Polaris agreement in 1963 and a follow on for Trident II(D5) was signed in 1982.

It's sale has no relation to MTCR and MTCR does not cover servicing of existing missiles which D5 life extension program is.

You have quoted that post of mine but seem to have got the date of Trident transfer wrong.


And that missile carries UK warhead not American. There was some assistance from US in construction but Britain had it's independent Nuclear program.

Probably you are aware that UK is a Nuclear Weapon State or even this has to be told to you.

 

[sami_1]

Muslim Brotherhood trying to make propaganda for Marina while everyone has seen a beggar and a failed Otherwise commanders Egyptians do not trust him from the foundation other than the difficulty of instruction anything related to domain military or national security because of his failure in the economy and its dependence on loans and the failure of the budget the first year of his reign trying polished and give any advantage to stick any Old achievement, although he Responsible for all the disasters in Egypt now and the people will turn it quickly as a result of economic destruction and repression of the people doing now, which is not related to weapons of mass destruction Egyptian

 

[Falcon29]

Muslim Brotherhood trying to make propaganda for Marina while everyone has seen a beggar and a failed Otherwise commanders Egyptians do not trust him from the foundation other than the difficulty of instruction anything related to domain military or national security because of his failure in the economy and its dependence on loans and the failure of the budget the first year of his reign trying polished and give any advantage to stick any Old achievement, although he Responsible for all the disasters in Egypt now and the people will turn it quickly as a result of economic destruction and repression of the people doing now, which is not related to weapons of mass destruction Egyptian

It's only been one year, give him a break.

 

[chauism]

Calm down boy,

I have explained it earlier. It is not my problem if you do not read other's post

MTCR came into existence in April 1987 while Trident was transferred to UK under Polaris agreement in 1963 and a follow on for Trident II(D5) was signed in 1982.

It's sale has no relation to MTCR and MTCR does not cover servicing of existing missiles which D5 life extension program is.

You have quoted that post of mine but seem to have got the date of Trident transfer wrong.


And that missile carries UK warhead not American. There was some assistance from US in construction but Britain had it's independent Nuclear program.

Probably you are aware that UK is a Nuclear Weapon State or even this has to be told to you.

The problem here is although the agreement of Trident D5 was signed in 1983, the missiles weren't transferred to UK until early 1990s. MTCR should work as any other sanctions, no matter when the agreement was signed, after it is put into effectiveness all transfer of such missile and its technology should be stopped. By the same token Argentina, Egypt, and Iraq abandoned their joint Condor II ballistic missile program. Brazil, South Africa, and Taiwan also shelved or eliminated missile or space launch vehicle programs. Those projects and programs existed well before the establishment of MTCR.

Being a Nuclear State bears no relations to MTCR. If otherwise, then China and Russia have no problem of supplying ICBM technology to nuclear states such as India and Pakistan now.

 

[anonymus]

The problem here is although the agreement of Trident D5 was signed in 1983, the missiles weren't transferred to UK until early 1990s. MTCR should work as any other sanctions, no matter when the agreement was signed, after it is put into effectiveness all transfer of such missile and its technology should be stopped. By the same token Argentina, Egypt, and Iraq abandoned their joint Condor II ballistic missile program. Brazil, South Africa, and Taiwan also shelved or eliminated missile or space launch vehicle programs. Those projects and programs existed well before the establishment of MTCR.

Being a Nuclear State bears no relations to MTCR. If otherwise, then China and Russia have no problem of supplying ICBM technology to nuclear states such as India and Pakistan now.

If two parties have agreed upon an arrangement before the treaty came into force, that arrangement stands unless otherwise stated in the treaty.

You should know that as China is supplying Nuclear reactors to Pakistan in theoretical violation of NPT under the grandfathering clause of Chashma reactor.Since the Trident deal was agreed upon before MTCR came into effect, it does not place any restriction on US to transfer Trident II.

And to add to this, MTCR does not have legal penalties. It is bound together by the understanding that if one violates MTCR, others would do so jeopardizing the interest of that country.

Condor II was not scrapped due to MTCR but due to US pressure as it had involvement of Iraq (Gulf War).

UK's nuclear weapon status was mentioned to counter the assertion of it using US warheads on Trident II.

 

[chauism]

If two parties have agreed upon an arrangement

before the treaty came into force, that arrangement stands unless

otherwise stated in the treaty.

You should know that as China is supplying Nuclear reactors to

Pakistan in theoretical violation of NPT under the grandfathering

clause of Chashma reactor.Since the Trident deal was agreed upon

before MTCR came into effect, it does not place any restriction on US

to transfer Trident II.

And to add to this, MTCR does not have legal penalties. It is bound

together by the understanding that if one violates MTCR, others would

do so jeopardizing the interest of that country.

Condor II was not scrapped due to MTCR but due to US pressure as it

had involvement of Iraq (Gulf War).

UK's nuclear weapon status was mentioned to counter the assertion of

it using US warheads on Trident II.

Since India was a victim of several sanction before, I don't have to

remind you that how many those so call agreement that was signed

before sanctions was not honored after the sanction. As you pointed

out yourself since MTCR has no legal penalty, for the trident deal, no

one is putting pressure on US or UK to terminate that deal where as

othe nations such as Argentine, Brazil, South Africa and Taiwan were

force by others to eliminate their projects.

UK's nuclear weapon status has nothing to do with its ability to

design or manufacture MIRV warheads because miniaturization of

themonuclear warhead is always the hardest part. So one can safely

say that without the assistance from US for the warhead UK's Trident

D5 missile might end up equiped with only a single warhead design

rather than MIRV as it carries now. Talking about proliforation of

weapon of mass dstruction. That is why UK government has been denying

any accusation of this warhead had anything to do with US until

someone leaked it to the public.

 

[The SC]

Nuclear missile capability.

Bombers are sometimes sold under the guise of reconnaissance aircrafts and Nuclear submarines are leased and sold without long range weapons.



Even if a missile has a longer range, it could not be used for that range in event of war as its flight characteristics for extended range has not been tested.

One can reverse engineer the missile to a long range one test it and change its name.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pakistani nuclear missiles are not "RAYWARI" kay sab ko bant dain gay.

Ballistic missiles can also fitted with other kind of warheads to cause hell of destruction on your enemy and secondly Pakistan most probably will provide nuclear war heads in case of use

 

[SHAMK9]

secondly Pakistan most probably will provide nuclear war heads in case of use

Q bhai? Theka Utha rakha he hum ne?

 

[Sinnerman108]

There is only one solution. We need China as our main ally. KSA and the GCC should really work in that direction. I am a strong supporter of China and if I had to adopt a non-Muslim country it would be China.

I am happy that the Saudi-Chinese relations are as good as they are.

Also Debka cannot be trusted. I doubt that KSA and Iran have reached any agreement. I would be very surprised if both worked together to develop the bomb, LOL. It would be world class trolling if so.

Actually, why not? Then both should bomb Israel.

That is not going to happen.

Can you guess why ?

 

[Nishan_101]

Better to talk with Pakistan, Ukraine and China along with Russians as they have the real Solid and Liquid fuel technologies. I am sure that doing a JV can help them a lot especially by joining Pakistan in it with KRL and NESCOM on board. INSHA ALLAH.