Morsi Shopping For Nuclear-Capable Missiles in China, Saudis Have Already B

[ChineseTiger1986]

Tell that to the UK SSBN force, their onboard missiles are US made trident D5 although with UK warhead.

The warheads are also Made in America, W-76.

 

[Zarvan]

Morsi to shop for nuclear-capable missiles in Beijing en route for Tehran. Netanyahu, Obama meet Sept. 27

DEBKAfile
Exclusive Report
August 25, 2012, 12:43 PM (GMT+02:00)

The White House has fixed an appointment for President Barack Obama and
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to hold talks on Sept. 27, debkafile’s
Washington sources report. Netanyahu will spend ten days in the United
States, during which he will address the UN General Assembly and launch
Israel’s counter-attack on the virulently anti-Semitic themes of Iran’s
official anti-Israel propaganda.

This timeline indicates that the prime minister is inclined to
accommodate President Obama by delaying once again an Israeli attack on
Iran’s nuclear program until after the US presidential election on Nov.
6.

It stands to reason that Netanyahu would not fix a date with Obama to
take place after an attack, or that the president would receive him.
That being the case, there will not be much for them to talk about.

Obama stood up to the blasts from a number of influential American
editorial writers and strategic analysts who urged him to offer Israel a
solemn commitment for a pre-emptive American offensive against Iran
from the Knesset podium, as a means of holding the Netanyahu government
back from military action in the fall of 2012. Another suggestion was
for the president to formally notify the US congress of his plans for
military action if Iran persisted in speeding the development of
ifs nuclear weapon capacity.

Obama rejected both suggestions – and Iran continued to accelerate its advance towards a nuclear weapon undisturbed.

Thursday, diplomats close to the International Atomic Energy Agency in
Vienna, disclosed that Iran had installed another 1,000 uranium
enrichment machines in its fortified underground facility at Fordo, and
was expanding its production of 20-percent refined uranium.

Experts not bound by the IAEA’s diplomatic constraints report that
enrichment climbed to 30 percent some months ago and was now on the way
to 60 percent. At least 3,000 centrifuges were now spinning at Fordo.

Israel recently passed information to Washington that Iran had already developed a radioactive (dirty) bomb.

Yet US official spokesmen keep on intoning that there is still room for
diplomacy - even after all the parties admitted that the Six Power
talks with Tehran broke down irretrievably weeks ago. And Friday, Aug.
24, seven hours of argument between the IAEA and Iranian representatives
failed to dent Iran’s implacable opposition to any reduction in its
nuclear drive or the slightest transparency.

One can only conclude that, even after Iran has the bomb, the mantra
“there is still room for diplomacy” will continue to issue from official
US mouths and the Washington-Tehran dialogue drag on, possibly through
new channels, as it does with Pyongyang.

After they meet, the US President may reward the Israeli Prime Minister
with a marginally more assertive statement about Iran as a sort of
consolation prize for his restraint. But that will not change the fact
that neither has raised a finger to halt a nuclear Iran, both preferring
to bow to domestic political pressures and considerations.

Their inaction has given two Middle East leaders a major boost for progress on their own nuclear initiatives.

Last March, Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who was recently appointed
head of general intelligence, travelled secretly to Beijing and
returned with Chinese President Hu Jintao’s consent to sell Saudi Arabia
nuclear-capable CSS-5 Dong-Feng 21 MRBM ballistic missiles. He also
agreed to send over Chinese nuclear engineers and technicians to help
Saudi Arabia develop uranium enrichment and other nuclear production
capacities.

This work is already in progress at the King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology near Riyadh.

In the last few weeks, Saudi Crown Prince Salman launched negotiations
with Tehran on a non-aggression pact and other understandings covering
bilateral cooperation behind America’s back on such issues as Syria.

It should be obvious from this development alone that the Middle East
nuclear race, which both President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu
admitted would be triggered by a nuclear Iran, unless preempted, is in
full flight, a fact of which they have neglected to inform the general
public in both countries.

But there is more.

After less than three months in office, the Egyptian President Mohamed
Morsi is following in Saudi footsteps: He will kick off his first
foreign trips next week with a visit to Beijing, where he hopes to take a
leaf out of the Saudi nuclear book. He then touches down in Tehran,
ostensibly to attend the Non-Aligned Organization’s summit opening there
on Aug. 26, but meanwhile to cultivate ties with Tehran for common
action in the Middle East.

He has laid the ground for this by proposing the creation of a new
“contact group” composed of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey to
disentangle the Syrian conflict – again behind America’s back.

The optimistic presumption that the Egyptian president will have to
dance to Washington’s tune to win economic assistance is proving
unfounded.

And Obama’s hands are tied.

In June 2009, he bound his administration’s Middle East policy to
mending American ties with the Muslim Brotherhood. Today, he can hardly
starve the new Cairo administration of financial aid.

And the Egyptian president is riding high. Believing he can get away
with it, he may even proclaim from Tehran that the two nations have
decided to resume diplomatic relations after they were cut off for 31
years.

This chain of events confronts Israel with three strategic predicaments:

1. Even if Riyadh, Cairo and Tehran are unable to come to terms in
their first efforts at understanding, the fact remains that Saudi Arabia
and Egypt have set their faces toward détente with Iran.

2. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are on the road to a nuclear weapon although Egypt is still trailing far behind.

3. In the five weeks remaining before the Obama-Netanyahu meeting,
Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and China will be moving forward vigorously
toward their strategic, military and nuclear goals, while the US and
Israel will be stuck in the doldrums of their interminable argument over
who goes first against Iran.

********.com - Morsi Shopping For Nuclear-Capable Missiles in China, Saudis Have Already Bought Them

I have been saying this for quite some time but every one denied my Saudi Arabia was trying to buy Dong Feng 21 Missiles and one other Missile with the range of 500 KM and these missiles are the ballistic missiles and Egypt may be trailing far behind but Saudi Arabia I don't think so we have nuclear weapons @BLACKEAGLE @ArabianLegend

 

[chauism]

The warheads are also Made in America, W-76.

It was made in UK with US made W-76 components.

UK Trident programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sinnerman108]

Egypt does not have nuclear warheads.

It makes little sense for Egypt or anyone else for that matter to buy an expensive nuclear missile and mount it with conventional warhead.

Lastly, anything coming from Debka should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I have been saying this for quite some time but every one denied my Saudi Arabia was trying to buy Dong Feng 21 Missiles and one other Missile with the range of 500 KM and these missiles are the ballistic missiles and Egypt may be trailing far behind but Saudi Arabia I don't think so we have nuclear weapons @BLACKEAGLE @ArabianLegend

I do not understand this part.
Saudi Arabia has access to a lot more than that. they don't need to go through this cycle.

 

[Zarvan]

Egypt does not have nuclear warheads.

It makes little sense for Egypt or anyone else for that matter to buy an expensive nuclear missile and mount it with conventional warhead.

Lastly, anything coming from Debka should be taken with a pinch of salt.



I do not understand this part.
Saudi Arabia has access to a lot more than that. they don't need to go through this cycle.

Ballistic missiles can also fitted with other kind of warheads to cause hell of destruction on your enemy and secondly Pakistan most probably will provide nuclear war heads in case of use

 

[jha]

Interesting Development if true. This will prompt Iran to get involved with Nuke program with renewed urgency. Saudi is claimed to have Chinese MRBM for sometime now. No idea if its true or, not. If they are able to mate this with nuclear warhead, the situation will not be good for whole region.

 

[anonymus]

Tell that to the UK SSBN force, their onboard missiles are US made trident D5 although with UK warhead.

That was before MTCR and NPT came into existence.

Interesting Development if true. This will prompt Iran to get involved with Nuke program with renewed urgency. Saudi is claimed to have Chinese MRBM for sometime now. No idea if its true or, not. If they are able to mate this with nuclear warhead, the situation will not be good for whole region.

It may be true. Before mid 1980's China was a large scale version of North Korea. They may have sold their MRBM's but any new sale is highly doubted and unless pakistan decide to give it's nuke to Saudi which would spell doom for them as Nukes could be traced to country of origin by Nuclear forensics, Saudi Arabia has between 0 and 0 chance of possessing a Nuke.

Ballistic missiles can also fitted with other kind of warheads to cause hell of destruction on your enemy and secondly Pakistan most probably will provide nuclear war heads in case of use

Ballistic missiles are only useful with WMD's ie Nuke. Chemical weapons never had the capability to inflict mass casualties and Biological weapon would be sterilized by searing heat at re-entry.Also few diseases are contagious enough to harm a nation appreciably.

Really?? Try telling that to the Chinese! They care a fig about rules, regulations and control regimes. They've indulged in this skulduggery since time immemorial. Pakistan and North Korea have been the recipients of missiles and designs from China that are nuclear capable having ranges in excess of the 300km restriction imposed by the MTCR.

No one cares a damn about control regimes etc, especially the Chinese, who have even trashed the UNCLOS and claim the whole of South China Sea as their private property! And what has the world done about it? Are they going to slap sanctions on China? Treaties nowadays are not worth the paper they're written on!

Not true.

Had China been so hell bent on not adhering to treaty,Pakistan would not have to turn to North Korea for missile tech. Pakistani missiles are Korean in origin of Nodong variety. Pakistan has to turn to Korea only because China refused to supply it with longer range missiles.

Also irrespective of all the noise that China is making, it has not abrogated UNSCLOS. It is only making claims.

Countries adhere to treaty not because of some inherent morality but for the reason that if they don't other would also not adhere to it.

But why double standards with the PRC. Canada assisted India in its nuclear program? Israel was assisted by the US,Iraq by the Russians and the list goes on and on. With that being said, I don't think China was the only State to break such rules.

Canada did not helped us. The apsara reactor you are talking about was diverted for military us by GoI unilaterally. In other words we stole nuclear material. Similarly Israel being assisted by US is a myth propagated by Antisemitic media. US never willfully helped Israeli Nuclear weapon program.

 

[Zarvan]

That was before MTCR and NPT came into existence.



It may be true. Before mid 1980's China was a large scale version of North Korea. They may have sold their MRBM's but any new sale is highly doubted and unless pakistan decide to give it's nuke to Saudi which would spell doom for them as Nukes could be traced to country of origin by Nuclear forensics, Saudi Arabia has between 0 and 0 chance of possessing a Nuke.



Ballistic missiles are only useful with WMD's ie Nuke. Chemical weapons never had the capability to inflict mass casualties and Biological weapon would be sterilized by searing heat at re-entry.Also few diseases are contagious enough to harm a nation appreciably.

I am not talking about chemical weapons Sir not biological simple bomb material can be also used

 

[anonymus]

I am not talking about chemical weapons Sir not biological simple bomb material can be also used

On an average a ballistic missile has CEP error of 200-600m. Even the most powerful conventional bomb does not have that kill radius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable

Without nukes, a ballistic missile is useless.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@BLACKEAGLE

I can't trust Debka

Morsi's visit to Russia was for the sake of developing their bilateral relations. Next month, Morsi will go to India too for the same reason. As for the PRC arm-sell I don't think they would provide the Egyptians with such weaponry. The Egyptians can take care of themselves for well though, I know how tough their armed forces and Generals are. Yesterday, they busted a spy-cell BTW.

Yes, Saudi and Iran talked about some current issues. They are not interested in leaving Bahrain/Jordan/Morocco/Egypt alone ,and we don't want their proxies to wage wars with the Israelis at the expense of innocent Palestinian blood ,so the talks will remain a dead letter ,for now.

Debka is mad at KSA maybe! Last year, Obama didn't receive BiBi at the White House for an urgent meeting, but he did with Al-Faisal 4 days ago. The US Neo-Cons are very angry!

Sorry to hear about the chaos in Al-Zaatari camps : (
@Arabian Legend

China is a cool friend of ours

I don't care about what the Americans are thinking about today. But, If Saudi or any other GCC member were harmed, jeopardize , or whatever things will get ugly with Iran. Perhaps we might convince the Indians to be on our side with Iran too

I didn't know it was Debka as it says Live sth. However, I think the missile and nuclear cooperation is true since it has been stated in other sources. As for having negotiations with Iran, it could be true as well, it was reported before that KSA has it's fears that USA could make an agreement with Iran behind their back on their expense. And it was reported as well that GCC demanded to be informed of the advancement of Iran-Western nuclear talks.

 

[Doritos11]

All Iran has to do is launch many ballistic missiles on the oilfields in al hasa region put the oilfields on fire and KSA is in chaos, so dunno why these saudis want a war.

Saudi buys missiles with the range in Iran, but they have less quanitity then Iran

 

[anonymus]

All Iran has to do is launch many ballistic missiles on the oilfields in al hasa region put the oilfields on fire and KSA is in chaos, so dunno why these saudis want a war.

Saudi buys missiles with the range in Iran, but they have less quanitity then Iran

Oil fields are too dispersed and present such a small target that Iran would never be able to put them out of action even if it use more than 10,000 missiles.

Only good chance that Iran has of Disrupting Saudi oil production is to target stablization plant at aqabia and even for that it would need 1376 shabab missiles.

dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/66242

A good read for saudi fellas too. @BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani

 

[Doritos11]

Oil fields are too dispersed and present such a small target that Iran would never be able to put them out of action even if it use more than 10,000 missiles.

Only good chance that Iran has of Disrupting Saudi oil production is to target stablization plant at aqabia and even for that it would need 1376 shabab missiles.

dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/66242


A good read for saudi fellas too. @BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani

Saddam hossein tactics won’t work then.

 

[anonymus]

Saddam hossein tactics won’t work then.

Saddam's tactics worked even though not to the point he would have wished them to as

1. For Iran, he used his Airforce in a bombing campaign over Iranian Oil fields.

2. For Kuwait, he was in Physical possession of Kuwait so he could destroy oil wells physically.

These tactics will not work in case of Saudi-Iran war as missile force is not accurate enough. Read the attachement and you will understand why. I can't post relevent sections from it as it is a pdf document.

 

[al-Hasani]

There is only one solution. We need China as our main ally. KSA and the GCC should really work in that direction. I am a strong supporter of China and if I had to adopt a non-Muslim country it would be China.

I am happy that the Saudi-Chinese relations are as good as they are.

Also Debka cannot be trusted. I doubt that KSA and Iran have reached any agreement. I would be very surprised if both worked together to develop the bomb, LOL. It would be world class trolling if so.

Actually, why not? Then both should bomb Israel.