More classified US documents shared in new leak – NYT

[Genghis khan1]

Nothing released in those documents (I read so far on news) is really TS or even secret. The only reason they were classified at that level is because of their time sensitivity. Few years down the road this will be public knowledge I.e adversely displaying their weapons or intentions or information getting declassified to academia and or defense experts.

 

[jhungary]

How the hell can a 21 year old have access to such sensitive information ??????? Even if he worked in intelligence - such aggregrated information should have more restrictions on its distribution. At 21, i would expect him to work in an individual stream and not know or ever see the bigger picture ?!?!?!

Shocking !!!!!

I was 23 when I was granted TS/SCI clearance. Working on Military intelligence when I was 24.

The thing is, as I explained, these info aren't really top range clearance item, it wasn't even needed to store on a armed guard SCIF, these document is not considered anything but general knowledge, the implication is not those info being leak, or who leak it, the implications is the people who gather these information. Those people generate information, not just according to their security status, say I have a leak in Kremlin in a high level position, I don't expect them to generate SCI all the time, they will generate every type of information, low security, high security and maybe even higher. The problem is, if one of the info he generated is in this leak, that can expose him, and that would stop anything from coming (he would be arrested, shot or whatever) which mean that even tho these info is not really important, who or how these info come to light itself is an issue. Because the source is always more valuable than the info they generate, and this leak threaten the source, not those info.

 

[BHAN85]

USA and the "top secret" docs leaks

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/top-5-us-intelligence-leaks.764783/ Human behaviour can be predictable, specially thanks to electronic espionage in young people who used electronic internet devices sine child age. Specially in people who some kind of mental issue. If you want to leak something...

defence.pk

30 years jail for Pollard espionage, no punishment for USA spying Israel

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/09/leaked-pentagon-documents-draw-denials-from-us-allies https://www.wionews.com/world/us-intel-leak-includes-ukraine-war-mossad-spy-agency-and-more-is-america-spying-on-allies-580835 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard Another example...

defence.pk

 

[jhungary]

Guess… it’s really sad…what is the one thing many organizations large and small skim on; cybersecurity

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646649508648960000

I think it’s more accurate to say, you remember what it’s really like, until you forget again.

They won't, that's the problem.

Everyone working for NSA, CIA and co are some young enthusiast, that's because they were cheap, 70K a year, if you want one of those Corporate Secret CEO type to work in National Security, that would be costing them too much, do bear in mind, corporate outside hire people who do this for 2 or 3 times the salary they are paying for even an intel specialist (60k a year +)

Everyone from PFC to AIrmen can get access to sensitive information because they were cheap, and that's a problem.

 

[BHAN85]

I was 23 when I was granted TS/SCI clearance. Working on Military intelligence when I was 24.

The thing is, as I explained, these info aren't really top range clearance item, it wasn't even needed to store on a armed guard SCIF, these document is not considered anything but general knowledge, the implication is not those info being leak, or who leak it, the implications is the people who gather these information. Those people generate information, not just according to their security status, say I have a leak in Kremlin in a high level position, I don't expect them to generate SCI all the time, they will generate every type of information, low security, high security and maybe even higher. The problem is, if one of the info he generated is in this leak, that can expose him, and that would stop anything from coming (he would be arrested, shot or whatever) which mean that even tho these info is not really important, who or how these info come to light itself is an issue. Because the source is always more valuable than the info they generate, and this leak threaten the source, not those info.

Those docs talk about USA spying Mossad.

That's not top secret and it's general knowledge? But it's good to know how USA pissing "allies" is general knowledge and no top secrt.

 

[jhungary]

Those docs talk about USA spying Mossad.

That's not top secret and it's general knowledge? But it's good to know how USA pissing "allies" is general knowledge and no top secrt.

Do you really think you need some leak to tell you US spy on EVERYBODY, they spy on American themselves, what make you think they won't spy on Israel?

 

[BHAN85]

They won't, that's the problem.

Everyone working for NSA, CIA and co are some young enthusiast, that's because they were cheap, 70K a year, if you want one of those Corporate Secret CEO type to work in National Security, that would be costing them too much, do bear in mind, corporate outside hire people who do this for 2 or 3 times the salary they are paying for even an intel specialist (60k a year +)

Everyone from PFC to AIrmen can get access to sensitive information because they were cheap, and that's a problem.

So a higher paid and a more skilled people does harder the leaks.

I think it's unrelated.

That can be true when are unintentional leaks due to errors working.

But it's not the case.

The leaks are the willing of people with mental issues.

So the problem is not salary or studies of worker.

The problem is the psychological selection of workers.

But I think it was not a error, it was somthing well planned by USA deep state: In manning, in Snowden and in Teixeira.

Electronic espionage makes really easy a good psychological selection, specially in young people who used internet his whole life.

Do you really think you need some leak to tell you US spy on EVERYBODY, they spy on American themselves, what make you think they won't spy on Israel?

Yes.

Maybe intel community is aware and paranoid enough to already know it.

But if you ask dumbshit politicians of USA allies if they think they are spied by USA, they will answer NO until see the leak.

 

[jhungary]

So a higher paid and a more skilled people does harder the leaks.

I think it's unrelated.

That can be true when are unintentional leaks due to errors working.

But it's not the case.

The leaks are the willing of people with mental issues.

So the problem is not he salary or the studies of worker.

The problem is the psychological selection of workers.

But I think it was not a error, it was somthing well planned by USA deep state: In manning, in Snowden and in Teixeira.

Electronic espionage makes really easy a well psychological selection, specially in young people who used internet his whole life.

You don't know much on intelligence, don't you?

It's not about pay itself, it's about who the person working for.

If I earn 21k which is this airmen earn, and I get in some sort of intel I can generate for money, and you would be tempted if someone offer you 50grands for something you know?

There are a lot of reason why someone leak document, money is the big one, someone want to do it because they wanted to do it, and also the length of employment is a factor too, If I was in this field for over 20 years, I am less likely to leak because why when i am satisfied with the condition of the last 20 years? And would you pay a person who had 20 years experience on this for starter salary?

This is not a psychological condition, I used to work Human Intelligence, I can tell you first hand, EVERYONE can be turned regardless of their psychological condition, because nobody in this world is a stone wall, you are a person, then you are susceptible to some kind of vulnerability, it was my job to find those vulnerability, I am of course not going to tell you how I do that, I don't want to spend the next 20 years in a federal pen, but I can tell you this, there is a way for just about everybody.

 

[BHAN85]

You don't know much on intelligence, don't you?

It's not about pay itself, it's about who the person working for.

If I earn 21k which is this airmen earn, and I get in some sort of intel I can generate for money, and you would be tempted if someone offer you 50grands for something you know?

There are a lot of reason why someone leak document, money is the big one, someone want to do it because they wanted to do it, and also the length of employment is a factor too, If I was in this field for over 20 years, I am less likely to leak because why when i am satisfied with the condition of the last 20 years? And would you pay a person who had 20 years experience on this for starter salary?

This is not a psychological condition, I used to work Human Intelligence, I can tell you first hand, EVERYONE can be turned regardless of their psychological condition, because nobody in this world is a stone wall, you are a person, then you are susceptible to some kind of vulnerability, it was my job to find those vulnerability, I am of course not going to tell you how I do that, I don't want to spend the next 20 years in a federal pen, but I can tell you this, there is a way for just about everybody.

Manning and Teixeira leaks were not done due to money.

So the cause was a bad psychological selection of workers.

Maybe US army psychologists should be fired or get a better salary to get more skilled people in human resources. But like I said, I think it was not a error, it was something well planned by USA deep state.

If something is published in Western massmedia, it's the willing of USA deep state, they can minimize things when they want and they are not minimizing this.

First consequence of these leaks: make a break up between Israeli politicians and foreign Israel intel service.

 

[jhungary]

Manning and Teixeira leaks was not done due to money.

So the cause was a bad psychological selection of workers.

Maybe US army psychologists should be fired or get a better salary to get more skilled people in human resources. But like I said, I think it was not a error, it was something well planned by USA deep state.

If something is published in Western massmedia, it's the willing of USA deep state, they can minimized things when they want and they are not minimizing this.

First consequence of these leaks: make a break up between Israeli politicians and foreign Israel intel service.

Money is not the reason directly, but it is ALWAYS involved with leak either directly or indirectly.

Again, if you hire someone who have had this clearance long enough, you have less chance to have a leak, because again, using the 20 years experience example, if I am in this field for 20 years, why will I leak now if I have not in the last 20 years?

you don't get to access SCI in the first 5 or 7, so if I leak when I was at an earlier stance, it would not be that much of an issue, but you don't want to pay for someone who had experience on those job, that would be the issue, because everyone is susceptible to some kind of attack. You may not do it for money, but pay more, getting a person with resume, helps.

 

[BHAN85]

Money is not the reason directly, but it is ALWAYS involved with leak either directly or indirectly.

Again, if you hire someone who have had this clearance long enough, you have less chance to have a leak, because again, using the 20 years experience example, if I am in this field for 20 years, why will I leak now if I have not in the last 20 years?

you don't get to access SCI in the first 5 or 7, so if I leak when I was at an earlier stance, it would not be that much of an issue, but you don't want to pay for someone who had experience on those job, that would be the issue, because everyone is susceptible to some kind of attack. You may not do it for money, but pay more, getting a person with resume, helps.

Money is not related to Manning and Teixeira cases in any way, you're talking about unrelated things.

I think you dont need a psychology degree to know that Manning had obvious mental issues and he can't be trusted.

And Teixeira seems to be the same profile.

Snowden is another thing, but it's unrelated to money as well, I think he was brainwashed by a girl.

 

[blain2]

everytime docs leak we see world is more dirty then previously .

Well, one should never have a very pacified view of the world. Everything imaginable and more goes on around this globe or ours.

 

[BHAN85]

people who does things by money are rational people.

nobody with brain will betray army by money because he knows he will be caught in the moment of spend money or even before. modern states control of information is full, specially in USA.

all recent famous leaks were done by nutjobs with mental issues, and it's unrelated to money.

 

[jhungary]

Money is not related to Manning and Teixeira cases in any way, you're talking about unrelated things.

I think you dont need a psychology degree to know that Manning had obvious mental issues and he can't be trusted.

And Teixeira seems to be the same profile.

Snowden is another thing, but it's unrelated to money as well, I think he was brainwashed by a girl.

Dude, i never said Money was the reason why manning and Teixrira leak, by the way Manning is both famous and rich now with books deals and speakperson salary, so you be the judge whether she is doing this for money.

Problem is, Manning did not leak when he join the military, he was "Groomed" by a group of hacker after MOS, he joined in 2004 and the first leak is in 2009, the problem is, he was too young and too inexperience to handle all those information and he did not have a background in counter-intelligence op, he felt for the grey group, THIS COULD HAVE and WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED if you hire someone with more experience on their job, thus you need to pay more.

Take me for an example, I was an trained Counter Intelligence Specialist, I went thru Defence Intelligence School for a 12 months program and have other sort of training in Virginia before I was allow to work on my position, but then that's because what I did was very delicate, you can't do them if you weren't trained. But Manning, and Teixeira were to handle those info, which you can technically do so with an untrained person because you are just a filing clerk, only thing is, you fil top secret documents.

So if you put a person with training (which is going to cost you more money) on that position, it will limit the leak.

People leak because of many issue, I mean if you hire a Private to do the job I was doing in Afghanistan, Your are not going to look secure, because you aren't trained enough, and you weren't pay enough. You need to put people with creditability in those job and let people like Manning or Teixeira do low level job instead, they don't and they are suscepible to leak

And Snowden tried to sell those document when he was in hong kong..They weren't interested because those have no value on them (it's about how US monitor American, not Chinese or Russian).......

 

[BHAN85]

Dude, i never said Money was the reason why manning and Teixrira leak, by the way Manning is both famous and rich now with books deals and speakperson salary, so you be the judge whether she is doing this for money.

Problem is, Manning did not leak when he join the military, he was "Groomed" by a group of hacker after MOS, he joined in 2004 and the first leak is in 2009, the problem is, he is too young to handle all those information and he did not have a background in counter-intelligence op, he felt for the grey group, THIS COULD HAVE and WOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED if you hire someone with more experience on their job, thus you need to pay more.

People leak because of many issue, I mean if you hire a Private to do the job I was doing in Afghanistan, Your are not going to look secure, because you aren't trained enough, and you weren't pay enough. You need to put people with creditability in those job and let people like Manning or Teixeira do low level job instead, they don't and they are suscepible to leak

And Snowden tried to sell those document when he was in hong kong..They weren't interested because those have no value on them (it's about how US monitor American, not Chinese or Russian).......

That could be prevented with a better psychological examination, Manning was and is insane, it's obvious even for people who knows nothing about psychology. And he's jailed, he can't enjoy money.

decades working without betray is not a guarantee of nothing, because the likely reason is in those decades it was not happen the opportunity to betray by money. Betray by money is not something commonly offered to everybody.

The real guarantee is electronic espionage and psychological exams through espionage, you can't act 24/7, if you have some mental issue, army psychologists can know through life internet online history.

And that's the reason I dont believe in this circus nonsenses stories, because I think USA deep state doesnt make errors.
And I like I said, because western massmedia control by USA is worst than in soviet press in USSR.

Teixeira leaks were intentional by USA deep state to make troubles in Israel state, they need a BIG war in Middle East, and Israel will be the trigger.

And like I said, betray is not a thing of loyalty, it's a thing of to be insane or sane. At least in this modern age.
A smart sane person will never betray, it's not due to loyalty, it's due to modern control of money and information, if you custody state secrets and you get black money, you can never use it without to be caught.