Mohsin Dawar's side of the story about Kharqamar incident

[PakSword]

Agreed. War zone. But, 15 dead is excessive force, that too on civilians. Idk if you're getting my point but those 15 dead gave a lot of fuel to a certain fire.

If 15 people attack and then killed in response, it can't be called excessive use of force.

I suggest you to watch videos in which US police killing people just because they were threatened..

 

[Xestan]

Murad Saeed, Love you man!


This ptm has flavour of mqm and as we know how Karachi bled and today mqm has nothing to show when given power to serve the people. All fraud.

I get the feeling the people has asked for it so just like anp which was full of fart gases and amounted to nothing ptm is on the same path.

Lest see how many decades people in waziristan want to endure this.

There's a disturbing trend seen in recent times with people from tribal areas, they all in one way or the other blame the state and the Military for the destruction of their area. Of course you can argue and bring in history but there are grievances, valid or not is a different discussion.

The friend I mentioned in my opening post, his family, a very influential one in Kurram Agency, when they had a disagreement with the local sector commander, were picked up, alongwith 50 other jirga leaders and they spent 3 months in Bannu jail. And then the Army chief himself went to the area and ordered inquiry against the local commanders. So, my whole point is, maybe we need to rethink our strategy for the tribal areas. Active combat is over, when the border is secured, we try something different with these guys.

 

[Awan68]

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

An attack on forces by armed protestors would've been dealt with the same force if not more not only in any other place in the country but anywhere in the world.

 

[PakSword]

It's known that the crowd was allowed to pass one point.

Why would Army start killing people without any reason.. that too after allowing elected people to pass the check posts?

In my opinion, when Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar reached the point, they ordered their men to kill security forces so that when they are killed in response, these two make a story to malign the state of Pakistan..

This incident has all the qualities of RAW's planning..

 

[Path-Finder]

I hope our agencies are not waiting for PTM to become MQM part 2. It will be far worse.

Get rid of this cancer. They should be eliminated.

No, I kind of understand the strategy. as I mentioned the bigger picture is to let them come into parliament that way the world cannot be misled by the west and its indian ally that 'oh look Pakistan is against pashtuns' These people will gather a huge dislike as their purpose is NOT to serve the people. Its to do their masters bidding by attacking the state.

dawar would go to america and he is seen with nds and afghan army among other enemies of Pakistan, you can only fool the people for limited time. anp did, mqm did the baloch separatist did as well. Net result was that people eventually see through the charade.

 

[pakpride00090]

No, I kind of understand the strategy. as I mentioned the bigger picture is to let them come into parliament that way the world cannot be misled by the west and its indian ally that 'oh look Pakistan is against pashtuns' These people will gather a huge dislike as their purpose is NOT to serve the people. Its to do their masters bidding by attacking the state.

dawar would go to america and he is seen with nds and afghan army among other enemies of Pakistan, you can only fool the people for limited time. anp did, mqm did the baloch separatist did as well. Net result was that people eventually see through the charade.

Bro , do you even realize how much damage they will do before they will be gone ?
Haven't MQM caused enough damage ?

Seriously , this approach will harm us. Better to nip the bud. I am not saying kill them overtly. Learn from Russians for gods sake.

 

[Path-Finder]

There's a disturbing trend seen in recent times with people from tribal areas, they all in one way or the other blame the state and the Military for the destruction of their area. Of course you can argue and bring in history but there are grievances, valid or not is a different discussion.

The friend I mentioned in my opening post, his family, a very influential one in Kurram Agency, when they had a disagreement with the local sector commander, were picked up, alongwith 50 other jirga leaders and they spent 3 months in Bannu jail. And then the Army chief himself went to the area and ordered inquiry against the local commanders. So, my whole point is, maybe we need to rethink our strategy for the tribal areas. Active combat is over, when the border is secured, we try something different with these guys.

I have spoken to many people from KP. (There are NO MORE TRIBAL AREAS! Its KP! Lets get that straight) Most People tell me these people are nothing more than idiots who have nothing better to do than cause mischief. Now this entire movement is almost a copy paste of mqm. using mqm as a guide we can see the direction and actions this so called ptm will take.

The strategy is a good one, let them come to parliament and lets see what the deliver to the people. Murad Saeed has told the parliament they have no intention to help the people!

I can see that you are trivialising the incident after coming out of hibernation into some war crime by the state? Question is were you on the ground and witnessed the said incident it in person? I wasn't BUT having seen dawar in america meeting enemies of Pakistan and standing with nds, afghan army. In Fact the points raised by Murad cover everything I want to say.

We know who is behind them.

Bro , do you even realize how much damage they will do before they will be gone ?
Haven't MQM caused enough damage ?

Seriously , this approach will harm us. Better to nip the bud. I am not saying kill them overtly. Learn from Russians for gods sake.

Bro, hosla. I have learned that emotions must be suppressed and we shouldn't let them dominate our thinking. mqm, peepee and other such parties are killing themselves off. Just look at that batty chairmen of peepee, always doing bakwas but the state is operating with a cool collected mind. Things happen slowly and not as quickly as we want them to but is it not better that people see these scum for what they actually are!

We have had the experience of mardood phutto, he got hanged but his wretched stench lived on for 40 years.

However evil destroys itself from within. In our culture this is the best approach. otherwise false deity like phutto will be plentiful.

The damage is something the quom will have to endure for its choices, that comes with the territory. If the quom could be easily straightened then there would be no mqm, peepee, ptm etc.

 

[Xestan]

I have spoken to many people from KP. (There are NO MORE TRIBAL AREAS! Its KP! Lets get that straight) Most People tell me these people are nothing more than idiots who have nothing better to do than cause mischief. Now this entire movement is almost a copy paste of mqm. using mqm as a guide we can see the direction and actions this so called ptm will take.

The strategy is a good one, let them come to parliament and lets see what the deliver to the people. Murad Saeed has told the parliament they have no intention to help the people!

I can see that you are trivialising the incident after coming out of hibernation into some war crime by the state? Question is were you on the ground and witnessed the said incident it in person? I wasn't BUT having seen dawar in america meeting enemies of Pakistan and standing with nds, afghan army. In Fact the points raised by Murad cover everything I want to say.

We know who is behind them.

Easy there, mate. That's what I meant when I said that PDF I knew tolerated different POVs. I can call it tribal areas if I like, because it's easy to explain which area I am talking about. Secondly, I'm concerned about human lives. A long ago I realised that I should be mourning civilian deaths too. My life's been spent being around soldiers, some of them I had to bury too, so I know what I am talking about.

If you'd believe every word DG ISPR says, and if he convinces you 15 dead people is fine. God help this Nation!

There should have been an inquiry.

 

[Path-Finder]

Easy there, mate. That's what I meant when I said that PDF I knew tolerated different POVs. I can call it tribal areas if I like, because it's easy to explain which area I am talking about. Secondly, I'm concerned about human lives. A long ago I realised that I should be mourning civilian deaths too. My life's been spent being around soldiers, some of them I had to bury too, so I know what I am talking about.

If you'd believe every word DG ISPR says, and if he convinces you 15 dead people is fine. God help this Nation!

There should have been an inquiry.

Interesting.

 

[El Sidd]

I am always wary of accounts that return after hibernation and have an agenda. same goes for new accounts!

indoctrinated wonderful boy i guess

 

[Areesh]

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

Is that why they got very little votes in recent provincial elections in ex FATA?

 

[PakAlp]

What is the problem with this guy Dawar speech?
His demands in the video were genuine

The government needs to form a high level commission and investigate the incident that occurred. If the army is responsible then they should be punished and if Dawar group is responsible then he should be hanged like he suggested himself.

It was the Pakistan military who wanted the operation in order to clean fata and I dont disagree with it but the demand to name the terrorists is genuine? Why do we cover the faces of the terrorist snakes.

Pti opposed the operations but did not give a solution on how to get rid of terrorists.

Some propaganda by Dawar such as people were removed from houses and houses were destroyed. The army had no choice but to clear fata before the operation in order to protect the people of Pakistan. Now it is the states job to build their fallen house and markets, otherwise backlash will happen.

 

[zeeshe100]

I love Pakistan army but killing 15 protesters if it's TRUE is not acceptable

 

[Ace of Spades]

I see lots of people mumble and try taking the moral high ground by negating the ground realities. First thing first, these so called moral brigade needs to separate institutions from individuals. Now the question; who is right and who is wrong in all the fog of propaganda? From facts we know, we messed up by joining the war twice in Afghanistan. But let's not negate the fact that Afghanistan was/is asking for it when they are interfering in Pakistan's territorial integrity from the very beginning. Now the methodology, how some individuals tackled it/ what were their intentions can be trialed but not the state's policies/ interests, regardless if they were right or wrong.

Now PTM can cry rivers about their legitimate demands but they have made them invalid as soon as they started bashing/attacking army as an institute, attacking Pakistan's sovereignty. You just can't do that. They know their narrative will weaken the state and they are knowingly doing that. That's not forgivable.

Where our institutes are wrong is the cult behavior, where an action against a single member of their community, for their wrongdoings is taken against the whole institute. Let it be, politicians, judges, bureaucracy, police or army. If an individual have misused their powers or did corruption or made intentional bad policies, against the state's interest. The institutes shall step aside and let them be trialed.

That's the essence of it, and as far as i can see, this drama will continue. Individuals (in institutes) nourishes such entities and then dispose them when time comes, with no consequences, no accountability. PTM is guilty for what they are, they are propaganda outlet for afghais and Gangadeshies. But they base their propaganda on some bad policies of some individuals. IMO both have to be trialed accordingly.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's a well spoken story by Mohsin Dawar, but I find it hard to believe that a checkpost, once after letting them go, would start firing at the protesters, especially when it'll stir up such a shi#storm.

Why and how did the checkpost fire? That is the only question.

He should also answer the questions DG ISPR raised btw.

Not only that but there are videos showing ptm protestors snatching weapons from soldiers before firing them indiscriminately.

2 soldiers also embraced martyrdom at the check post.

Why would Army start killing people without any reason.. that too after allowing elected people to pass the check posts?

In my opinion, when Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar reached the point, they ordered their men to kill security forces so that when they are killed in response, these two make a story to malign the state of Pakistan..

This incident has all the qualities of RAW's planning..

Actually a video shows ali wazir manhandling a soldier with his gang.

The soldiers at the check post are seen acting rather passively & ali wazirs own supporters trying to calm him down while he abuses the army.