MOHAN BHAGWAT IS RIGHT: India is a 'Hindu' Nation.

[Joe Shearer]

LOL. That is because I get noticed and accepted and respected in REAL LIFE and do not seek validation on an online pakistani forum

Marxist when associated with the likes of you becomes a gaali.

Heh.

I seem to have been well accepted in real life too. Three times chief executive. Full professor (I'm packing to go to my lecture series in a prestigeous university elsewhere as I write these). Invited by my junior batch to their IIMC reunion as a special guest.

AND I am respected by Pakistanis and by Kashmiri militants, and have been asked by some of them to write on the subject, without any conditions or stipulations.

Are you competing with me by any chance?

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

Heh.

I seem to have been well accepted in real life too. Three times chief executive. Full professor (I'm packing to go to my lecture series in a prestigeous university elsewhere as I write these). Invited by my junior batch to their IIMC reunion as a special guest.

AND I am respected by Pakistanis and by Kashmiri militants, and have been asked by some of them to write on the subject, without any conditions or stipulations.

Are you competing with me by any chance?

Clearly you are respected by pakisani, terrorists and 'seculars' ...... no one is disputing that. Only someone like you will take pride in something so absurd.

I have heard your claims earlier too...... heard claims from skulls & bones too. Both of you make a good pair. ............. it all seems pretty sad.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Clearly you are respected by pakisani, terrorists and 'seculars' ...... no one is disputing that. Only someone like you will take pride in something so absurd.

I have heard your claims earlier too...... heard claims from skulls & bones too. Both of you make a good pair. ............. it all seems pretty sad.

And that's it? A couple of smileys and a lame repetition of what I wrote, and all the piss and wind is out of you?

 

[temp1994]

Fight Fight Fight Fight

 

[RazPaK]

Lets calm down gentlemen.

 

[temp1994]

Nope. Hindi/hindu was derived from Sindhu and India was derived from Hindu. The arabs had a problem with pronouncing S, the Europeans had no problem pronouncing S though. But yes the root word is Sindhu.

Anyway the fact stand that the name " India " ,which many people of Hindutva camp hates, is more representative of India than " Hindustan ". India is the name of India or Bharat since 300BC while Hindustan is there only since 1000 AD. India was a name given to India or Bharat by a greek ambassador to the court of Chandragupta Maurya, while Hindustan was the name given to India or Bharat by Islamic Invaders.

So which one according to you better describes India or Bharat? India or Hindustan.

 

[jbond197]

Are you really comparing a set of irregular resistances by a number of feudal lords with the reactionary movements of Freedom struggle? Do you even have slightest idea about the nature of Rajput resistance to the Islamic invasion in the 12th century? Was it a resistance to save their religion or their very own feudal state? If it was necessarily a native religion versus a invading one, then why the feudal lords never became united and fought as a single force? One's brain has to be absolutely ingrained with absurd fantasies to term them as nationalist struggle.

If they didn't what do you think would be the reason for India not turning into Persia. Do you think the folks who invaded India after converting Persia would not have repeated the act unless they were not forced stopped in doing so? Who and what according to you stopped them ? Don't tell me they fell in love with various religions of land and dropped the idea of converting people. They faced stiff resistance at each step. It was a battle and every one fought to defend what they believe was right. Sikh Gurus were beheaded. Yeah everything was to save the feudal state. I agree you are quite knowledgeable about the turn of events at that point of time. Your disgust for claims of Rajputs/Sikhs/Jats/Marathas as savior of Hinduism is such an eye opener and yes I agree Bengalis were the only nationalists and Freedom fighters of the time. Everyone else was an idiot.

@Skull and Bones
The reason why I am avoiding these thread is I don't like people who support treachery, lies and murder in the name of religion. Ignorance about history, if we can excuse.

Your answer to my questions above will prove what you support? And please stop pretending. We all know you like the murder of culture of the land and like to degrade various he resistances of the land in the name of sickularism.

 

[scorpionx]

If they didn't what make you think would be the reason for India not turning into Persia. Do you think the folks who invaded India after converting Persia would not have repeated the act unless they were not forced not to do so? Who and what according to you stopped them ? Don't tell me they fell in love with various religions of land and dropped the idea of converting people. They faced resistance at each step. It was a battle and every one fought to defend what they believe was right. Sikh Gurus were beheaded. Yeah everything was to save the feudal state. I agree you are quite knowledgeable about the turn of events at that point of time. Your disgust for claims of Rajputs/Sikhs/Jats/Marathas as savior of Hinduism is so enlightening and yes I agree Bengalis were the only nationalists and Freedom fighters of the time. Everyone else was an idiot.

Just google a map and see the density of Muslim converts in medieval India. We will argue further.

 

[jbond197]

Just google a map and see the density of Muslim converts in medieval India. We will argue further.

Why don't you point me to one?

As far as I know the below regions were least converted -

Land of Rajputs - Rajasthan, Land of Jats - Haryana, Himachal, Land of Dogras - Jammu, Land of Marathas, Gujarat, Land of Sikhs - part of Punjab, Madhya Pradesh, states down south, except Andhra and Kerala.

The northern states were the entry point for rest of India and Islamic forces faced stiff resistance all over this route. But once they were able to penetrate the northern barrier and reach other parts of India, the kingdoms fell much like how leaves do in the fall. Since I am so ignorant please do tell me about Bengali resistance during those times. Did they even tried to save their feudal state?

 

[abjktu]

Are you supporting her highness, Your Malayalis are more into love for communism compared to Bengalis.

Please...I have very much doubt about his so called Malayali ancestry...I haven't seen him posting anything in Malayalam,except some slur usages(that too in grammatical errors)..just like the @manlion for Tamils...No Malayalis in this PDF consider him as a Malayali though..

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

And that's it? A couple of smileys and a lame repetition of what I wrote, and all the piss and wind is out of you?

LOL..... I think old farts are more concerned with piss and wind. I have better things to do in life than waste my time with useless wind bags like you.

Please...I have very much doubt about his so called Malayali ancestry...I haven't seen him posting anything in Malayalam,except some slur usages(that too in grammatical errors)..just like the @manlion for Tamils...No Malayalis in this PDF consider him as a Malayali though..

........ no Mallu certificate for me ? ....... does this thing work like the Oscar ? majority votes determines the winner and the grand prize of being "accepted" as a mallu

 

[temp1994]

The freedom movement has been dominated by Bengalis and Punjabis through it's entire duration, as their kind lacked the intellectual stand, nor the courage to stand against the British.

I never heard of any Hindutwa agent being hanged by the British at the age of 18,nor they had the spine to loot the British armoury to arm the freedom fighters, the first flag of Independent India was raised in Imphal by a Bengali, while their kind was busy dividing India on the basis of religion.

Wasn't Savarker , founder of Hinduism , transported to Kalapani for life?

 

[Bong]

But once they were able to penetrate the northern barrier and reach other parts of India, the kingdoms fell much like how leaves do in the fall. Since I am so ignorant please do tell me about Bengali resistance during those times. Did they even tried to save their feudal state?

There were no Bengali state but states. Bengal kings were having a time of peace. So their forces were no places to defend themselves. As they didnt expect any invasion. Only 18 horsemen were enough to defeat one Bengal king.
Bengal wasnt the first part to fall under Muslim rule. Other North Indian parts were defeated before it.

 

[MilSpec]

LOL. Rather than shoot the messenger it would be far better if bengali's modify their thinking and behaviour which will earn them others respect. Other wise its just another Bihar.....and you know how much respect Bihari's get

BTW is India. ALWAYS CAPIAL "I". ......... so much for Bengali patriotism.

to me there is bihari's maharahtrians, and all are Indians, no one has the right to the give license of nationalism of an Indian based on thier origins... such gross generalization of stereotyping regions is a great disservice to the nation...
As for as gramer, it is an oversight in typing, just like capital... became CAPIAL...

India is a fake secular state. Show me a secular state which formulates laws based on religion. The constitution was tweaked based on "Jiski lathi uski bhains" logic.. I hope that clarifies things for you..

Ok then, there is no room for discourse then... you have your views I have mine....

Don't just threaten me, feel free to negatively rate me or get me banned but don't run away from facts. I just said a few thing which is a common knowledge and you came back with a threat. How cool is that!!

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That wan't a threat, I wasn't aware that you on the bengali bashing bandwagon... I am a bengali, tell me am I any less patriotic then you are....

 

[scorpionx]

Why don't you point me to one?

As far as I know the below regions were least converted -

Rajasthan, Haryana, Himachal, Land of Dogras - Jammu, Land of Marathas, Gujarat, part of Punjab, Madhya Pradesh, states down south, except Andhra and Kerala.

These were entry point of rest of India and since the Islamic forces faced resistance all over this route. But once they were able to penetrate and reach other parts of India, they fell much like how leaves do in the fall. Since I am so ignorant please do tell me about Bengali resistance during those times. Did they even tried to save their feudal state?

The reason I pointed out to the map is, it is perfectly apt to show even after Islamic Invasion in the Ganga-Doab valley in the 12th Century, vast number of Muslim converts are concentrated profoundly on the peripheral patches of India i.e. North West and East Bengal which explains the fact that the Rajput/Maratha resistance even after failing to restrict the invasion quite successfully prevented mass conversion of Indians in the region where the Islamic empire build its foundation mainly which is Central India.This data refutes the assumption that, in the absence of Rajput/Maratha resistance India would have become an Islamic country like Persia.

As far as, Bengali resistance to Islamic Invasion is concerned, the comparison is again utterly absurd when you are failing repeatedly to explain the reason why Rajput principalities failed to act as an united force against the invasion.