Modi's bravado ups the ante in India-Pakistan fighting

[pakdefender]

You know thats what ayub khan said in 1965 when he sent in his boys to take kashmir.
''Hindu morale won't stand a couple of hard blows at the right time and place''.Then he ended up defending lahore instead of giving his victory speech at lalchowk,srinagar.

In 1971 General niazi bragged repeatedly to nixon how his superior martial race would pound the inferior wimpy indians.And then he went did something like this.
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As for the wimpy indians.
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I mean this must be the single most embarassing stamp in the history of any country ever.

So better let us not discuss the virtues and vices of the wimpy indians and the martial race and focus on the issue which is the senseless violence on the border which is slaughtering civilians on both sides for absolutely no strategic gain and dick comparisons.

when one sees an Indian in real life , the wimpiness of this real Indian is such that one almost feels pitty rather than animosity, but then there is the 'internet Indian' , the hypocracy and two facedness of you people is such that one wonders WHO is the real indian , then one you met in real life or the one on the internet

speaking of 1971, that is a confirmation of india supporting terrorism , you had to prop up a large cadres of terrorists and traitors to help you out , on your own you tried chagrin into Lahore in 1965 and got you *** packed nice and proper.

The stamp was a political stunt by ZA Bhutto , nothing more ... this figure is not accurate.

 

[Glorino]

The trouble with Pakistan is that Pakistani army establishment likes to dictate to Nawaz Sharif government on Foreign Policy and Defence matters. Therefore, in these matters PM Nawaz Sharif is made to look like a paper tiger. Imran Khan is not helping either. Imran Khan's actions recently has strengthened the hands of the Pakistani top brass- PM Nawaz Shariff must tow Army orders on Foreign and Defence policy matters. In sum ,it is not meaningful to hold a peaceful dialogue with the democratically elected government in Pakistan.EXERCISE IN FUTILIY

 

[Kinetic]

Even worse...then Indian govt was willing to go out of it's way to absolve Pak army of any wrong doings! How can one forget that idiotic statement by AK Antony about the beheaded Indian soldiers!

if intolrnce is tolerated its increases... our guys from congress nver learned that.

 

[SledgeHammer]

Because our policy is "China's peaceful rise".

Note that we haven't had cross-border bloodshed with any of our neighbors over the past 30 years. Compare that to India's bloody borders with Pakistan and Bangladesh.

That also shows that India is a responsible country.

Btw what problem we have with Bangladesh army?

Anyway, haven't you been reading my posts, or the Reuters source? Or even the thread title?

It's Modi's "new aggressive posture" (from Reuters) that is inflaming India's border issues with Pakistan and China.

It is not "Aggressive posture", but "Assertive posture". It is the new normal, get used to it.

Wars happen accidentally all the time, especially when one side tries to be especially assertive. Someone is going to make a mistake, an accident, or maybe something deliberate and things can spiral out of control very fast on the border.

Firing is happening between India & Pakistan for last 3 generations, that is 'normal' there, what is worrisome is the constant Chinese bullying on the border areas in last few years, I am sure you have seen the videos.

 

[Raul_AD]

when one sees an Indian in real life , the wimpiness of this real Indian is such that one almost feels pitty rather than animosity, but then there is the 'internet Indian' , the hypocracy and two facedness of you people is such that one wonders WHO is the real indian , then one you met in real life or the one on the internet

You mean to say that in real life you nowhere find "Cunning Hindu Baniya", by a "Innocent Islamic Pakistani". And in real life is it not true all you find is "Brute Brainwashed Islamist" Pakistani who is dominating "Law Abiding Well Cultured Hindu". Be it Uk, US, EU.

And this perplex you. And this perplex the whole world about the Culture which Pakistan actually carries.

speaking of 1971, that is a confirmation of india supporting terrorism , you had to prop up a large cadres of terrorists and traitors to help you out , on your own you tried chagrin into Lahore in 1965 and got you *** packed nice and proper.

And Pakistan tried to mimic it in 90's and 2000's by promoting terrorism in Kashmir, and gaining 1,00,0000 dead in Kashmir and 4,000 Pakistani Army Regulars in Kargil. Still Kashmir belongs to India and Pakistan perusing the same policy, with all the baggage of Doomed Economically.

The stamp was a political stunt by ZA Bhutto , nothing more ... this figure is not accurate.

As always a Pakistani in Denial mode refusing to accept the truth. Same standard of denial towards its history that Pakistanis were converted to "Islam under Sword". Your non acceptance to the Truth will however not change it. Live with your own self denial.

 

[danger007]

when one sees an Indian in real life , the wimpiness of this real Indian is such that one almost feels pitty rather than animosity, but then there is the 'internet Indian' , the hypocracy and two facedness of you people is such that one wonders WHO is the real indian , then one you met in real life or the one on the internet

speaking of 1971, that is a confirmation of india supporting terrorism , you had to prop up a large cadres of terrorists and traitors to help you out , on your own you tried chagrin into Lahore in 1965 and got you *** packed nice and proper.

The stamp was a political stunt by ZA Bhutto , nothing more ... this figure is not accurate.

who is wimps? ?? The guys who took money from US and allowed for drone attacks.. or the guys who stand up to US in Khobragade issue... India is not Pakistan we never been lapdog to US.. do you remember about non NATO ally of US... until a decade ago Pakistan depended on US now it is china.... nothing is changed...

 

[Kinetic]

The situation with Pakistan is that as long as PA keep irritating India at whim and India doesn't retaliate, it is good on India. But if India retaliates then India is bravado.

Pakistanis doesn't want to discuss their bravado army, but wasting time on all other moronic theories.

India is bravado, hegemonic now what, write a letter to UN ? Ask China to help ? Ask USA to mediate ? Make IB and LOC's hot ?

If u dont fight u r good. thats why MMS was a gud guy..

when one sees an Indian in real life , the wimpiness of this real Indian is such that one almost feels pitty rather than animosity, but then there is the 'internet Indian' , the hypocracy and two facedness of you people is such that one wonders WHO is the real indian , then one you met in real life or the one on the internet

speaking of 1971, that is a confirmation of india supporting terrorism , you had to prop up a large cadres of terrorists and traitors to help you out , on your own you tried chagrin into Lahore in 1965 and got you *** packed nice and proper.

The stamp was a political stunt by ZA Bhutto , nothing more ... this figure is not accurate.

i am much smaller but i am more powerful... this logic will destroy you oneday.

 

[Chakram Indian]

when one sees an Indian in real life , the wimpiness of this real Indian is such that one almost feels pitty rather than animosity, but then there is the 'internet Indian' , the hypocracy and two facedness of you people is such that one wonders WHO is the real indian , then one you met in real life or the one on the internet

speaking of 1971, that is a confirmation of india supporting terrorism , you had to prop up a large cadres of terrorists and traitors to help you out , on your own you tried chagrin into Lahore in 1965 and got you *** packed nice and proper.

The stamp was a political stunt by ZA Bhutto , nothing more ... this figure is not accurate.

kabhi fursat mein milo real life mein ..........

yeah the figure on stamp was not accurate Actually it was MORE than 90000

Nothing to do with topic in hand.. There is already a discussion about it in the same forum.. Members there already clarified on the issue.. Do read it..

it just goes on to show the level of technical capabilites of our radars, warning systems

but that is obviously beyond our friends from the other side

The 'calculation' is simple, India will not 'let it go' anymore, Pakistan started it first this time also, and Pakistani members here rejoiced for first few days asking "Where is Modi now"; and now they are complaining about Indian aggression, hilarious.

Same goes for China also, China was nibbling away Indian territory silently with frequent incursions, but not anymore.

Btw, this is a permanent stand of India, at least as long as BJP is in power (and BJP is likely to be in power for quite some time), and our neighbours are free to be frustrated or happy about it.

not only that but these steps will ensure that they return to power

 

[Chakram Indian]

I would like to refute Chinese Dragon.
Indian nuclear capabilities are all estimations by western think tanks so the figure quoted is just imaginary number.
India was able to successfully fool the USA and other western countries when exploding Nuclear devices in both 1974 and 1998.
Our Nuclear power capabilities were developed and are developing to maintain a credible minimum deterrence vis a vis Chinese. Going by the Chinese populated and economic centres most of which is located on east coast, every major industrial and populated centres will have to be taken out to effectively reply chinese in case of first strike.
Advance radars can pick up launches by Chinese before it can strike Indian landmass. So pre emptive strike is not possible by chinese. The time India picks up missiles on radar Nuclear buttons will be pressed. Ensuring Mutually Assured Destruction not only of Chinese but Pakistan also.
I hope no nation has to act this way.

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there is something called wind patterns and wind flows

even in case of India pakistan nuclear exchange in the Kashmir / HP/ Punjab Delhi/ etc

i.e. norhtern India these wind patterns / wind flows will ensure that nuclear fallout / nuclear cloud will go to china and china will suffer those effects even without being a party to nuke exchange

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That also shows that India is a responsible country.

Btw what problem we have with Bangladesh army?

You guys shoot anything that moves on your borders with Pakistan or Bangladesh.

Civilians, soldiers (some also have their heads cut off), cattle traders, children, immigrants, etc. Hell just a few days ago you killed 20 civilians in Pakistan by shelling civilian villages.

When we have disputes in the South China Sea, we use water cannons. Nobody actually dies, there is no bloodshed.

We certainly don't shell civilian villages in other countries? Or cut off the heads of foreign soldiers and mutilate their bodies, as happens on the India-Pakistan border?

I love the bolded part.. If this is your peaceful rise, then god help us all..

You didnt had the capability or resources to attack any of the neighbors for the last 30 years. Remember most of your neighbors were economically powerful than you and some are close allies of USA.. You were nowhere near on taking on US or Russia at that time. Also you needed support from world nations to enter WTO . Once you had the capability your country become a nuicense to every country who share your border..

We use water cannons in our territorial disputes, or tents.

You guys use artillery shells on innocent civilian villages along the LOC with Pakistan, you just killed 20 civilians in the past few days.

If you consider that to be more peaceful than water cannons, then yes let your Christian/Abrahamic God help you.

And let another Nehru rise again.

 

[rockstarIN]

You guys shoot anything that moves on your borders with Pakistan or Bangladesh.

Civilians, soldiers (some also have their heads cut off), cattle traders, children, immigrants, etc. Hell just a few days ago you killed 20 civilians in Pakistan by shelling civilian villages.

When we have disputes in the South China Sea, we use water cannons. Nobody actually dies, there is no bloodshed.

We certainly don't shell civilian villages in other countries? Or cut off the heads of foreign soldiers and mutilate their bodies, as happens on the India-Pakistan border?



We use water cannons in our territorial disputes, or tents.

You guys use artillery shells on innocent civilian villages along the LOC with Pakistan, you just killed 20 civilians in the past few days.

If you consider that to be more peaceful than water cannons, then yes let your Christian/Abrahamic God help you.

And let another Nehru rise again.

Needless to say since you are a senior here, go to wiki and see india pak relations. How is it compared to water cannons and tents.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Needless to say since you are a senior here, go to wiki and see india pak relations. How is it compared to water cannons and tents.

Our history with our neighbors is far worse and far older than the India-Pakistan dispute (which is relatively recent).

Yet we do not shoot each other constantly on the border, or use artillery and mortar shells on civilian villages.

The water cannons and tents we use in our territorial disputes are non-lethal, nobody dies. No children have to go without their parents, or parents without their children.

And needless to say, when using mortar/artillery, and killing soldiers/civilians on the other side, the chances of an accidental war occurring are much higher.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Also, while both China and India have "No First Use" nuclear policies (which makes a conventional war very possible), Pakistan does not have such a policy, so any India-Pakistan War will inevitably escalate to a point where the nuclear option is on the table.

What will be china's role in case Pakistan does use Nuclear warhead on India?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What will be china's role in case Pakistan does use Nuclear warhead on India?

The logical thing.

Use all our informants and all our information sources to decide whether or not India will launch a nuclear strike against China during this hypothetical India-Pakistan War, or keep it between India and Pakistan.

If the Chinese leadership believes that India will use nuclear weapons against us (for whatever reason) during an India-Pakistan nuclear war, we will of course have no other option but to strike first using our own nuclear arsenal, to try and disable as many Indian nukes as possible before they are fired at us.

That's simply self-preservation.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Our history with our neighbors is far worse and far older than the India-Pakistan dispute (which is relatively recent).

Yet we do not shoot each other constantly on the border, or use artillery and mortar shells on civilian villages.

The water cannons and tents we use in our territorial disputes are non-lethal, nobody dies. No children have to go without their parents, or parents without their children.

And needless to say, when using mortar/artillery, and killing soldiers/civilians on the other side, the chances of an accidental war occurring are much higher.

You mean to say, even if India fires bullets and mortars across the Indo-China border, China would use water cannons....
Your history could have been far worse but right now the situation is different...... You don't shoot at them because they don't shoot at you (just like Indo-China border)..............the situation could very well change in the future.

In case of Indo-Pak. border......they shoot at us first, we just retaliate.......when they stop,we stop (Pakistanis can say the same thing but the point is that both use violent means......one side cannot use water cannons when the other side is using bullets)

In case of Indo-Bangla border.......we're forced to shoot to stop illegal border crossing and smuggling........

Bottomline is, India's border situation with its neighbors cannot be compared with China's border situation with its neighbors at present.....