Modernizing PAK DEF.

[Myth_buster_1]

A strategic SAM network should be positioned to protect key infrastructure elements and the government, as well as key military facilities.

Long range SAM

-Islamabad
-Khusab reactor complex
-Lahore
-Hyderabad
-Karachi

Mediam range SAM

-AFB
-Key Army installations


"According to the official, one battery of FT-2000 defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million. FT-2000 is surface-to-air anti-radiation missile (ARM), it is apparently designed to counter U.S. airborne early warning (AEW) systems such as the E-2C Hawkeye and E-3 AWACS, upon which U.S. air forces rely for "situational awareness." This system would also be extremely effective against the E-8 JSTARS ground surveillance aircraft, which provides critical targeting data for U.S. long-range precision strike systems."

The Weekly Standard
IMINT & Analysis: Pakistan

 

[Awesome]

That's too little cover.

Western border is completely open, as well as half the coast.

We need to protect the entire border areas given the amount of airspace violations.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

How much can pakistan afford with such limited budget?
As for now PAK DEF plan is to accuire....
long range
4- batteries of FT-2000
short range
5~ batteries of SPDA 2000
? Bamse RBS23
? LeFlaSys (ASRAD)
and hopefully modify SD-10 for SAM role.

correct me if i am wrong?

 

[Comet]

with so much money used we are only going to protect small part. Isn't there any alternative?

 

[Awesome]

If this was a game of star craft I'd put another large circle on the western coast and one on the mid area of the border with Afghanistan (around south FATA). The border with Iran has little or no threat.

 

[Awesome]

What's the ceiling on these SAMs?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

If this was a game of star craft I'd put another large circle on the western coast and one on the mid area of the border with Afghanistan (around south FATA). The border with Iran has little or no threat.

Yes how could i miss that circle on western border!
those talibani electronic warfare flying carpet attacks.

Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system
Sunday, 25 May, 2008
ANJA A THIRD EYE: Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system
As per President Musharraf's directives Pakistan will acquire a high-tech air defence system next year, but it must come with transfer of technology, an official told The News.

"China and a European country have offered Pakistan High-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Low-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Medium-Altitude Air Defence System and Short-Range Air Defence System," said an official, who wanted not to be named. "The two countries have also offered to set up a project in Pakistan for manufacturing short- medium- and high-range air defence systems," he added.

The official said a former PAF chief had sent a summary to President Musharraf for the purchase of a high-altitude air defence system from a European country without transfer of technology, but the president rejected it.

"The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.

India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.

"Had the organisations engaged in developing nuclear-capable missiles indigenously been tasked with the development of a system to overcome this shortcoming, the country would have until now achieved the capability of hitting planes at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres," he remarked. "But no attention has been paid towards this aspect of the country's air defence capability."

The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security.

According to the official, one battery of such a defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million.

A short-range air defence system can shoot down an enemy plane up to five kilometres and medium-range system is capable of hitting and attacking aircraft up to 25 kilometres while a high-range air defence system can hit an enemy plane at a distance of 90 kilometres, elaborated the official.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

What's the ceiling on these SAMs?

FT-2000 is pretty much S-300 PMU-2 interms of flying characteristics.
Range-200 km
celling- 100,000~ feet

 

[Owais]

then why dont they aquire HQ-9A SAM?

 

[Awesome]

FT-2000 is pretty much S-300 PMU-2 interms of flying characteristics.
Range-200 km
celling- 100,000~ feet

Nice... Can take out most of the Indian and western birds.

 

[Muradk]

sorry mod such thread already exists so please merge it with the existing PAK DEF THREAD.

MAP by march

A strategic SAM network should be positioned to protect key infrastructure elements and the government, as well as key military facilities.

Long range SAM

-Islamabad
-Khusab reactor complex
-Lahore
-Hyderabad
-Karachi

Mediam range SAM

-AFB
-Key Army installations


"According to the official, one battery of FT-2000 defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million. FT-2000 is surface-to-air anti-radiation missile (ARM), it is apparently designed to counter U.S. airborne early warning (AEW) systems such as the E-2C Hawkeye and E-3 AWACS, upon which U.S. air forces rely for "situational awareness." This system would also be extremely effective against the E-8 JSTARS ground surveillance aircraft, which provides critical targeting data for U.S. long-range precision strike systems."

The Weekly Standard
IMINT & Analysis: Pakistan

Either the MAP is old , or the person who gave you this info , doesn't know **** about where we have stationed our defences. You are missing atleast 27more spots on the map.

 

[ejaz007]

Spada 2000 purchase is confirmed so to some extent medium level issue shall be addressed. As far as FT-2000 or some other high level weapon is concerned nothing has been signed or confirmed so far. Let's wait and see which system is selected. As far as low level coverage is concerned I think we already have decent low level systems in operation.

 

[EagleEyes]

Either the MAP is old , or the person who gave you this info , doesn't know **** about where we have stationed our defences. You are missing atleast 27more spots on the map.

Sir,

What was the danger of SAM across the border when you went to their airbases for attacks? Any experience with SAMs.. or mostly you just had to face anti-aircraft guns?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Either the MAP is old , or the person who gave you this info , doesn't know **** about where we have stationed our defences. You are missing atleast 27more spots on the map.

this map only represents my opinion of pakdef system placements.
as of now the only conform deal is
4 battries of FT-2000 and 10 SPADA 2000
please tell me doesn't 27 more spots means 27 batteries? and just exactly which SAM systems will that be?

 

[Muradk]

Sir,

What was the danger of SAM across the border when you went to their airbases for attacks? Any experience with SAMs.. or mostly you just had to face anti-aircraft guns?

Good Question never came to our minds what we are going to go up against, mosty AAG were a big problem not even that the one odd bullet comming from a soilder was more scary than the AAG's, I remember we were 6 Sabers and one of them just exploded figured that a bullet hit his tank because they were no AAG's at LOC, in 71 no never had a SAM fired at me mostly AAG's.