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MMRCA to be political decision: Eurofighter

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With the almost year-long trials for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender of the Indian Air Force (IAF) expected to end by May, StratPost caught up with Dr. Matthias Schmidlin, the head of the Eurofighter Typhoon campaign in India, who said it was unlikely the trials would end with a single aircraft having a clear lead while recognizing the final result of the MMRCA contest would be a political decision.
“It is my belief that there will be definitely more than one vendor when there is the opening of the commercial envelope. I believe we are in a good position and so I anticipate that we will be going up to the end of this campaign,” he says, adding, “The final decision at the end of the day will be political. We all know that. This is, at the moment, the largest defense contract around the globe. And it will be the largest fighter, combat campaign for the next decade to come. So clearly, this is very strategic for all the vendors in the campaign.”
Acknowledging the contestants would have to satisfy the technical and commercial evaluations before getting to a point where they can be decided upon politically, saying, “Every vendor needs to go through the compliant bid up to that point.”
Schmidlin also thinks the Eurofighter has the advantage of the political inheritance it carries from Europe. “Once we are at this last and final stage: the political element, I’m convinced that the German government is fully committed behind this campaign,” he says.
He goes on to expand the list, saying, “Its also about Italy, Great Britain and Spain.” And notwithstanding the competition offered by the French Dassault’s Rafale in the MMRCA contest, Schmidlin also refers to the French ownership share of weapons supplier MBDA and EADS to submit, “At the end of the day we are certainly a French company to a certain extent as well. So one would get not just four, but five governments supporting this campaign.”
He asserts the advantages this political lineage provides in terms of the relative absence of conditions for sale of the aircraft that may be imposed on India. “It’s not enough to have the best kit in town if you have limitations to use it or if you have limitations for upgrading it. We are less bound than any or at least some of the contenders on end use monitoring and so forth, so what we’re offering is not only support for the self-reliance of the Indian aerospace and defense industry but also on the respective usage of the weapon kit at the end of the day,” says Schmidlin.
He also points out that the Eurofighter Typhoon has done well in various exercises with other contenders in the MMRCA contest, some of whom it has replaced in other air forces, saying, “It’s not a surprise because it was designed to replace a significant number of variants; some of them are in this campaign (MMRCA), (some) in the four nations, and some of the export customers are looking to do the same.”
Elaborating, Schimdlin says, “It replaces a lot of aircraft from different countries. F-18, Mirage, Tornado, MiG-29… Germany had MiG-29s. One Eurofighter is replacing all these Russian, American, French, British aircraft – it’s designed to replace a multitude of different aircraft from different manufacturers in different countries.” He also says there is an easy learning curve for moving to the Eurofighter Typhoon from other aircraft that are replaced. “There has been no big issue at all in moving from a competing aircraft even in this campaign (MMRCA) to the Typhoon in some nations or where we have exported the aircraft. Its really an aircraft that’s very easy to engage,” he says.
And while the Eurofighter Typhoon still has a final phase of trials in which to show this off to the IAF in trials next month in Europe, Schmidlin is not worried on that count. “The Eurofighter Typhoon is an aircraft which is highly agile, multi-role and swing-role. It’s designed to deliver high performance operation and is tailor-made to the Indian requirements, really, to operate in these conditions,” he says, adding, “It has been deployed to much tougher conditions. We won in Saudi Arabia, where there were very stringent trials conducted in hot and sandy conditions. In terms also of cold and hard conditions, we have sold the aircraft to Austria. Very difficult terrain out there with very narrow valleys, very short runways, which require massive performance at high altitudes.”
Offering transfer of technology, licensed manufacture and offsets, Schmidlin points out, “The Eurofighter is the youngest aircraft in this race, with loads of potential for future upgrades and enhancements and we’ve offered India to be part of this undertaking.”
The cost of such an undertaking, the MMRCA, could remain unclear for the near future. Curiously, while both the technical and commercial proposals were delivered by April 28, 2008, with the former being opened at 1500 hours that day, the commercial proposals were ‘locked away and sealed’ to be valid for ‘up to 24 months’, Schmidlin confirms.
And although it is clear that the evaluation is unlikely to be at a stage where the commercial bids are in a position to be opened by the expiry deadline on April 28 this year, Schmidlin finds himself at somewhat of a loss about their status after that date. “According to the DPP (Defense Procurement Procedure), there is a requirement for having valid commercial proposal, and so far – I have to be honest – I don’t know, we have not been officially approached in this regard.”
According to industry sources this eventuality has not been entirely unforeseen and there is a likelihood the vendors will be required to either resubmit their commercial bids or extend their validity. Trade speculation regards this as an opportunity for vendors to adjust their commercial proposals on the basis of their perception of performance in the user trials.

MMRCA to be political decision: Eurofighter idrw.org
 
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I think Dassault Rafale is the best aircraft! being French it won't be under pressure to the sale of spare parts if India does some kind of adventure/ mis-adventure in future plus coming from lineage of Mirage 2000 and deployed in French armed forces, it has to be good! F-16 is way too light/old F-18 is good but being American is problematic thing.
I highly oppose Eurofighter considering it's price and lack of interest in it's native production countries to induct in initially proposed numbers
 
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I would rate eurofighter above rafale and f-18.Its definitely a better plane .Also they are ready for full tot including that of the aesa radar unlike the americans.
 
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Whatever they choose, they need to do it quick, India needs to upgrade its airforce ASAP, we can't afford to wait for another 5 years.
 
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guys no other air craft stands a chance in MMRCA other than Rafael, Eurofighter & F18.

My personal favirate Rafale though i dont mind Eurofighter, but please for gods sake dont go for F 18, they come with a lot of strings attached. i dont want to see a situation where 150 of our aircrafts grounded for lack of spares due to some sanctions imposed by uncle SAM.
 
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We all know Rafael and Eurofighter both are highly advanced and expensive platform, but i really doubt on the price of these aircraft + full life cost + TOT and some armaments included with the deal.
If you see the Rafael's price and 3 decades service support for just 36 ACs then how can we afford 126 jets that too even with TOT in 11-12 Billion dollors. Unless there will be some price reduction when HAL will be building 108 ACs in India under TOT.
Most important factor is Politics Factor. Chances are for F-18 also but i also donot want IAF to select F-18. Better pay more to French or EADS but should not go with American's jet.
 
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If TOTs are acquired, then will the Indian HAL have the license to porduce as many ACs as they want?
 
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We all know Rafael and Eurofighter both are highly advanced and expensive platform, but i really doubt on the price of these aircraft + full life cost + TOT and some armaments included with the deal.
If you see the Rafael's price and 3 decades service support for just 36 ACs then how can we afford 126 jets that too even with TOT in 11-12 Billion dollors. Unless there will be some price reduction when HAL will be building 108 ACs in India under TOT.
Most important factor is Politics Factor. Chances are for F-18 also but i also donot want IAF to select F-18. Better pay more to French or EADS but should not go with American's jet.

Where do you base your price from- That Folha de S. Paulo article is totally biased.
There has been a lot of uproar on Brazil deal since Rafale became president's choice instead of Gripen which was air-force favorite.
saudis got 72 eurofighters for 7-8 billions .
Our budget is 42000 crore that if current falling dollar amounts to 10.6-12 billion.
As far as spares,weapons are concerned 35 billions is estimated for our Mrca for next three decades, each vendor knows it.
I can provide you link if you want
Here is it-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/Uncle-Sams-War-Mart/articleshow/5543927.cms

imp part from article is -
In other words, Uncle Sam knows best.Indian experts are divided though on whether the US arms sales to India is merely a mercenary act driven by the mil-ind complex or a strategic investment engineered by Washington. “US military sales to India are miniscule in the overall context, so profit is hardly the motive,” says Manohar Thyagaraj, a defence consultant who founded Paragon International to promote US-India trade. He estimates that nearly 90% of US defence production is internally consumed. Still, he concedes, as India’s defence budget inches up to 3% of a growing GDP (from its current 2%), even American firms are starting to look up India. The 126-jet deal, he says, is not worth just $10-12 billion initial capital cost, but could also mean an additional $35 billion revenue over the lifecycle of the plane. Small wonder the deal has Kit Bond so excited and involved.

Guess what additional 35+ are for
Above all we will manufacture most of aircraft+major parts+spares, so it will be very less,unlike BRAZIL/UAE
French have been dealing with us for decades-Mirage+Scorpene
So have the Brits/EU- Jaguars(very cheap you know)+Bofors+Harriers+....etc


No need to worry
What airforce will fly -will be top notch
270+ MKI (Best from Russia), I personally differ my fav is MIG29 -navy has it so no problem
180+ Rafale/Eurofighter(Best from europe)
for this decade till FGFA takes over in next decade.

so our pilots will be safe and flying hours will be up too.
 
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Its going to be F 18 .. No doubt about it. And the diplomatic payback from US on this will be thru the roof..
 
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persionally iam offended by you indians ..... euro fighter..... come on .... mig 35 all the way!!!!!! it can kick the snot out of ef 2000
 
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persionally iam offended by you indians ..... euro fighter..... come on .... mig 35 all the way!!!!!! it can kick the snot out of ef 2000

I think the idea here is to get their hands on Western ToT.
 
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We all know Rafael and Eurofighter both are highly advanced and expensive platform, but i really doubt on the price of these aircraft + full life cost + TOT and some armaments included with the deal.
If you see the Rafael's price and 3 decades service support for just 36 ACs then how can we afford 126 jets that too even with TOT in 11-12 Billion dollors. Unless there will be some price reduction when HAL will be building 108 ACs in India under TOT.
Most important factor is Politics Factor. Chances are for F-18 also but i also donot want IAF to select F-18. Better pay more to French or EADS but should not go with American's jet.
Don't forget that higher numbers will reduce cost, not only the unitcost of the fighters, but also the cost for weapons and spares. The Brazilian order is officially only for 36 fighters, which makes the deal so expensive, India on the other hand will order at least 90 more!
 
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Hi,
Americans seem to be the likely winners, but what if Russia offered some thing else to sweeten the pot?
 
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and i believe they already have...putin is always known for something extra...who knows we very well end up getting a western jet and some MIG-35s..
 
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